California Will Vote To Become An Independent Nation in 2019 - CalExit

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Ridiculous. No wonder Yeshua says over and over again that the Day of the LORD is coming like a thief in the night.

California seceding from the Union should be the least of anyone's concerns right now. There are far greater problems on the horizon. Literally earth shaking problems.

Amen.

 
leftcoastkev;9488105 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487450 said:
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.

1. Probably won't happen. But the economies of technology, agriculture, and entertainment would allow California to sustain itself.

2. Possibly. If it comes with some type of United Nations oversight.....id have to look more into the specifics....

3. Depends on the actual specifics of trade, fees, taxes, etc. Especially how food and health care would be handled. If it's an improvement over the rest of the states, why not?

They speak on everything you mentioned. Click on the link for the handbook on the first page.

Or google calexit if you don't fuck with links.
 
California doesn't even have enough water or power without the surrounding states. good luck, guys!

MECCA1000;9487553 said:
Shout out to Kamala Harris who was holding down the California senate seat before she stepped up to her position now of California attorney general. ....... salute black excellence
fuck that fascist whore

 
This is a terrible idea... The reason why the United States is so strong is because we are 'United'. California leaves the whole continent becomes vulnerable.. You have to go through a whole country to get to the Pacific..

As commander in chief your number one task is to preserve the union.. Before the powers that be allow to happen under trump they'll have him assassinated..
 
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NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487684 said:
Turfaholic;9487510 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487450 said:
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.

California can maintain itself. It's expensive as fuck. But the state is increasing minimum wages to help with that. Niggas forget the impact silicon valley has on the world. California was the first state who wanted to use marijuana and tax it, not to line the pockets of the rich, but to put back into the community. Police in California know their role. Unlike southern police who rule with a iron fist.

And as far as the gay shit, Ive seen it with my own eyes. Atlanta is far more gay than West Hollywood & the Castro District in San Francisco combined. Niggas need to go see some things before making a statement.

Yes, silicon valley, cannabis, and agriculture will be major factors.

gl2534vcdcs8.png

All that and gov't funds and y'all still broke.

Now y'all wanna be your own nation.

gus-stoned-laugh.gif
 
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Revolver Ocelot;9488993 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487684 said:
Turfaholic;9487510 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487450 said:
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.

California can maintain itself. It's expensive as fuck. But the state is increasing minimum wages to help with that. Niggas forget the impact silicon valley has on the world. California was the first state who wanted to use marijuana and tax it, not to line the pockets of the rich, but to put back into the community. Police in California know their role. Unlike southern police who rule with a iron fist.

And as far as the gay shit, Ive seen it with my own eyes. Atlanta is far more gay than West Hollywood & the Castro District in San Francisco combined. Niggas need to go see some things before making a statement.

Yes, silicon valley, cannabis, and agriculture will be major factors.

gl2534vcdcs8.png

All that and gov't funds and y'all still broke.

Now y'all wanna be your own nation.

gus-stoned-laugh.gif

California makes more money than all states in the US.

So if Cali's broke, every other state is worse.
 
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9489487 said:
Revolver Ocelot;9488993 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487684 said:
Turfaholic;9487510 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487450 said:
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.

California can maintain itself. It's expensive as fuck. But the state is increasing minimum wages to help with that. Niggas forget the impact silicon valley has on the world. California was the first state who wanted to use marijuana and tax it, not to line the pockets of the rich, but to put back into the community. Police in California know their role. Unlike southern police who rule with a iron fist.

And as far as the gay shit, Ive seen it with my own eyes. Atlanta is far more gay than West Hollywood & the Castro District in San Francisco combined. Niggas need to go see some things before making a statement.

Yes, silicon valley, cannabis, and agriculture will be major factors.

gl2534vcdcs8.png

All that and gov't funds and y'all still broke.

Now y'all wanna be your own nation.

gus-stoned-laugh.gif

California makes more money than all states in the US.

So if Cali's broke, every other state is worse.

Ever heard of debt
 
AggyAF;9489542 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9489487 said:
Revolver Ocelot;9488993 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487684 said:
Turfaholic;9487510 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487450 said:
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.

California can maintain itself. It's expensive as fuck. But the state is increasing minimum wages to help with that. Niggas forget the impact silicon valley has on the world. California was the first state who wanted to use marijuana and tax it, not to line the pockets of the rich, but to put back into the community. Police in California know their role. Unlike southern police who rule with a iron fist.

And as far as the gay shit, Ive seen it with my own eyes. Atlanta is far more gay than West Hollywood & the Castro District in San Francisco combined. Niggas need to go see some things before making a statement.

Yes, silicon valley, cannabis, and agriculture will be major factors.

gl2534vcdcs8.png

All that and gov't funds and y'all still broke.

Now y'all wanna be your own nation.

gus-stoned-laugh.gif

California makes more money than all states in the US.

So if Cali's broke, every other state is worse.

Ever heard of debt

Yes. Every state is in debt. The nation is in debt. But that still doesn't change the fact that California annually makes more money than any other state in the US.
 
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487716 said:
zzombie;9487619 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487586 said:
zzombie;9487515 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487044 said:
zzombie;9487022 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9486983 said:
zzombie;9486974 said:
If the federal government allows even one state to break away it will lead to the nation being balkanized therefore no state will ever leave the union and it will mean war if they seriously tried.

I'm sure anyone willing to establish themselves independently would be prepared mentally and physically for whatever the federal government decides to do.

Anyone??? We are talking about a whole state not a few hundred people

Not everyone, some will of course be along for the ride if it's done by vote (if they choose to stay), but I'm talking about anyone or any group or collective who will be willing to create and establish themselves as a brand new nation and system from scratch will be well aware of any potential dangers of establishing themselves as an independent nation.

Not being deterred by those potential dangers means they'll more than likely be ready to defend themselves.

It does not work that way AND I DON'T think you understand the ramifications of what you are saying

What is it I or we don't understand?

EXACTLY what is would take to accomplish cession and exactly how much opposition you will face.

What will it take? Be specific. And of course there will be opposition...

But this is less about cessation and more about California establishing itself as a sovereign independent nation and about creating policies and systems that are specific to its residents and its "values".

It would take a military that has the capability to defeat the military of the united states it would also take international recognition from other nations against the wishes of the united states.

California cannot establish itself as a sovereign independent nation without cessation the state government of California is responsible for establishing the bold. CALIFORNIA BREAKING AWAY FROM THE USA IS PURE FANTASY
 
zzombie;9490060 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487716 said:
zzombie;9487619 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487586 said:
zzombie;9487515 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487044 said:
zzombie;9487022 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9486983 said:
zzombie;9486974 said:
If the federal government allows even one state to break away it will lead to the nation being balkanized therefore no state will ever leave the union and it will mean war if they seriously tried.

I'm sure anyone willing to establish themselves independently would be prepared mentally and physically for whatever the federal government decides to do.

Anyone??? We are talking about a whole state not a few hundred people

Not everyone, some will of course be along for the ride if it's done by vote (if they choose to stay), but I'm talking about anyone or any group or collective who will be willing to create and establish themselves as a brand new nation and system from scratch will be well aware of any potential dangers of establishing themselves as an independent nation.

Not being deterred by those potential dangers means they'll more than likely be ready to defend themselves.

It does not work that way AND I DON'T think you understand the ramifications of what you are saying

What is it I or we don't understand?

EXACTLY what is would take to accomplish cession and exactly how much opposition you will face.

What will it take? Be specific. And of course there will be opposition...

But this is less about cessation and more about California establishing itself as a sovereign independent nation and about creating policies and systems that are specific to its residents and its "values".

It would take a military that has the capability to defeat the military of the united states it would also take international recognition from other nations against the wishes of the united states.

California cannot establish itself as a sovereign independent nation without cessation the state government of California is responsible for establishing the bold. CALIFORNIA BREAKING AWAY FROM THE USA IS PURE FANTASY

As far as this campaign goes, their approach is to go about it "legally" and nonviolently:

Yes California is the nonviolent campaign to establish the country of California using any and all legal and constitutional means to do so. We advocate for peaceful secession from the United States by use of an independence referendum to establish a mandate, followed by a nationwide campaign to advocate in support of a constitutional exit from the Union. By joining this campaign, signing up as a member, donating, volunteering, or otherwise supporting this important cause, you agree to these nonviolent principles.

While Yes California supports and encourages Californians to stand up and take direct action, to be bold, and to unapologetically demand the liberation of the people of California from its captors, we explicitly reject conduct or speech inciting open rebellion against the American government.

HOW WILL WE DEFEND OURSELVES?

Only one country has ever invaded California - the United States. Modern- day California doesn’t have military enemies and in fact, there are 23 countries in the world, including Iceland and Panama, that do not have a regular military and yet they manage to remain free from invasion. Unlike these countries, however, California will have a military that is ample for our defense in North America.

What does ample for our defense in North America mean? Well, Canada defends itself with about $18 billion a year while Mexico protects itself with even less. In fact, the global average for military budgets is about $17 billion a year. Only the United States spends way more, so it is no surprise that this country remains one of the only major industrialized countries in the world that can’t guarantee healthcare, among other services, to all of its citizens.

An independent California will be able to refocus our priorities on these important quality of life issues while still providing for the defense and security of our country. However, independence does not mean the U.S. military is going to leave California right away. Although this campaign does not take many specific policy positions, instead leaving them to be decided by future elections, we do take the position that California will negotiate a military base agreement with the Americans.

These military base agreements will require the Americans to lease the

land their bases are on just like they do in many countries around the world. These leases will bring in revenue each year that we can use to subsidize California’s defense and national security budget. Perhaps most importantly, an independent California will be more secure and at less risk of attack simply because we will no longer be involved in all of America’s military activities that actually perpetuate and instigate terrorism around the world.

An Independent California doesn't mean anti America, it means pro California. And becoming an independent nation doesn't necessarily mean the nation you're separating from is your enemy. Nations can have a mutual "break-up" and still work together or have a mutual respect for each other .

But whenever there are conflicting values between any two parties, a separation is inevitable.
 
However, independence does not mean the U.S. military is going to leave California right away. Although this campaign does not take many specific policy positions, instead leaving them to be decided by future elections, we do take the position that California will negotiate a military base agreement with the Americans

There is no independence with this.

Based on this (and a few other things I read) I'd have to change my vote to a resounding no.

It's no way you're gonna let the US military in the door and change your mind later without bloodshed. I can understand joint operations but a full military base installation......NO.

California would go from a state of the union to a puppet state. It would only be a matter of time.

California will be more secure and at less risk of attack simply because we will no longer be involved in all of America’s military activities that actually perpetuate and instigate terrorism around the world.

No. America WOULD become the threat to California because it's trying to be independent. Any disagreements would turn into a flood of "terrorists" magically appearing from south of the border...until California begs America to help clean it up (is bankrupted) or if California is doing too well and trades with nations against Americas national interest the economic sanctions along with military dependence would destroy it.
 
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leftcoastkev;9490383 said:
However, independence does not mean the U.S. military is going to leave California right away. Although this campaign does not take many specific policy positions, instead leaving them to be decided by future elections, we do take the position that California will negotiate a military base agreement with the Americans

There is no independence with this.

Based on this (and a few other things I read) I'd have to change my vote to a resounding no.

It's no way you're gonna let the US military in the door and change your mind later without bloodshed. I can understand joint operations but a full military base installation......NO.

California would go from a state of the union to a puppet state. It would only be a matter of time.

California will be more secure and at less risk of attack simply because we will no longer be involved in all of America’s military activities that actually perpetuate and instigate terrorism around the world.

No. America WOULD become the threat to California because it's trying to be independent. Any disagreements would turn into a flood of "terrorists" magically appearing from south of the border...until California begs America to help clean it up (is bankrupted) or if California is doing too well and trades with nations against Americas national interest the economic sanctions along with military dependence would destroy it.

Everything you said is valid.

I support the idea that California can be an independent nation, but I'm not in alignment with all of their current proposals. I say "current" because they say they're open to ideas and are still having meetings that are open to the public (Californians) to discuss and create and amend the agenda (if necessary).

I support it because the people/us/we create these laws and policies. So the current proposal isn't the final one.

My personal stance is that independence isn't asked for. My personal belief is that you build, and declare your independence through action. It may come across as rebellion to some, or a change in direction to others.

If California is going to be an independent nation, it cannot have a foreign military base occupying or leasing it. But that's got to be something Californians decide.

This proposal, it's ideas and approach is still open to the public...
 
Lol at niggas thinking Cali broke. Lol at niggas thinking Cali doesn't have any water. California is next to the damn ocean. Shits all a front to keep Nevada and New Mexico grubby hands out of the Pacific Ocean. California hasn't got as much rain as it has in the past. But the drought is going away.
 
Turfaholic;9490446 said:
Lol at niggas thinking Cali broke. Lol at niggas thinking Cali doesn't have any water. California is next to the damn ocean. Shits all a front to keep Nevada and New Mexico grubby hands out of the Pacific Ocean. California hasn't got as much rain as it has in the past. But the drought is going away.

You cannot drink salt water you idiot
 
zzombie;9490480 said:
Turfaholic;9490446 said:
Lol at niggas thinking Cali broke. Lol at niggas thinking Cali doesn't have any water. California is next to the damn ocean. Shits all a front to keep Nevada and New Mexico grubby hands out of the Pacific Ocean. California hasn't got as much rain as it has in the past. But the drought is going away.

You cannot drink salt water you idiot


My name is Turf, and deez are my nuts.
 


I wonder how this will effect the balance of the ocean. Desalinization on a small scale for immediate emergencies is one thing, but doing it to support the entire state might lead to several other environmental problems.

Hopefully we never get to that point.

I believe destroying natural habitats is adding to the drought. Plant life needs water to grow but it also needs those plants to help create the conditions for the amount of rain.

A rainforest stays a rain forest because of all of the trees and plant life. Take a away the trees and plant life, it won't rain as much and it won't be a forest.

It rains because of the forest, and it's a forest because of the rain. = Rainforest

California needs more native plant life.

Just like a desert, it rarely rains because there is no reason to, there is no life to support, so the cycle continues.
 

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