California Will Vote To Become An Independent Nation in 2019 - CalExit

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_Menace_;9486988 said:
BOSSExcellence;9486636 said:
so bein born and raised in Cali will a nigga be able to have dual citizenship!?

my DL is still CA and i still got shit that goes to my mommas addresss?? lol

A Chiefs fan from Cali?? You lost your privilege with that.

aye.. i was a Montana fan growin up..

so make no mistake about it..

its been FUCK U RAIDERS since birth..

i jus got traded to KC is all.. Niners wanted to go wit Young.. jus like they wanted to go wit Kap..

least they got a ring wit they first decision tho..
 
My first thought is that an independent California is gonna have to deal with the Cartels of Mexico moving in on the territory. Even if not that, them border jumpers are gonna stampede that bitch.
 
Stiff;9487062 said:
4 years ago this would've been laughable.. But now? Donald Trump is president? Britain leaving the EU? This needs to be taken seriously. We've been shown that pre-voting polls are innacurate

Legally though, the Civil War made it clear that states aren't allowed to leave the union. How would that play out? Especially with Trump/Pence at the reigns.. A California War of Seccession? If California were to leave Texas would be next, so the federal govt will have to be willing to crack down. Would China be willing to subsidize California in order to gain a foothold on the continent? Crazy new world.

States or the people are "allowed" to leave the union and establish themselves as an independent nation. But really when you're ready to establish yourself independently, you're gonna be independent, fuck paperwork, no one can "allow" that. Independence isn't a policy, it's an action/way of life...

IS AN INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM EVEN LEGAL?

The Constitution says that each state in the Union shall retain every

power which is not by the Constitution given to the federal government.

The Constitution does not give the power of secession to the federal government, nor does it expressly prohibit the states from exercising this power. Therefore, the power of secession is reserved to the states, or to the people, per the Tenth Amendment.

Further, the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution says that treaties ratified by Congress are the supreme law of the land. In 1945, the United States ratified the UN Charter, a treaty that guarantees peoples the right to self- determination in Article I. Thus, by ratifying this treaty, the United States adopted the right of self-determination as the supreme law of our land.

Lastly, Aristotle wrote that the state “is a culmination of widening circles of human association based on human wants,” and that it is “the highest form of human association.” Why is this important?

It is important because in 1948, the United Nations adopted its Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 20 of that Declaration provides that “No one may be compelled to belong to an association.” This campaign takes the position, as Aristotle argued, that the state is an association and therefore we Californians may not be compelled to belong to the State, or the country, that is the United States of America.

Regardless, if the original 13 American colonies didn’t pursue their independence from the British Empire because King George and the government in London said they had no right to do so, then this country wouldn’t exist today. Therefore, when a government says to its people that they have no right to seek their independence, history shows us that has not deterred the cause of freedom or self-determination.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n...54/Yes_California_Calexit_Book.pdf?1475330254
 
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.
 
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487450 said:
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.

California can maintain itself. It's expensive as fuck. But the state is increasing minimum wages to help with that. Niggas forget the impact silicon valley has on the world. California was the first state who wanted to use marijuana and tax it, not to line the pockets of the rich, but to put back into the community. Police in California know their role. Unlike southern police who rule with a iron fist.

And as far as the gay shit, Ive seen it with my own eyes. Atlanta is far more gay than West Hollywood & the Castro District in San Francisco combined. Niggas need to go see some things before making a statement.
 
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487044 said:
zzombie;9487022 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9486983 said:
zzombie;9486974 said:
If the federal government allows even one state to break away it will lead to the nation being balkanized therefore no state will ever leave the union and it will mean war if they seriously tried.

I'm sure anyone willing to establish themselves independently would be prepared mentally and physically for whatever the federal government decides to do.

Anyone??? We are talking about a whole state not a few hundred people

Not everyone, some will of course be along for the ride if it's done by vote (if they choose to stay), but I'm talking about anyone or any group or collective who will be willing to create and establish themselves as a brand new nation and system from scratch will be well aware of any potential dangers of establishing themselves as an independent nation.

Not being deterred by those potential dangers means they'll more than likely be ready to defend themselves.

It does not work that way AND I DON'T think you understand the ramifications of what you are saying
 
The united states of america fought a bloody war over this issue already any state leaving this union is impossible. unless there is a total breakdown of the federal government there will never be a cession and it does not matter what the people in those states think or want. LEAVING THE UNION IS NOT POSSIBLE.

EVEN TRYING will lead to massive death on a scale Americans have never witnessed before and Americans are not ready to live and struggle like the people in Syria.
 
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they taking the bud too?

 
Shout out to Kamala Harris who was holding down the California senate seat before she stepped up to her position now of California attorney general. ....... salute black excellence
 
zzombie;9487515 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487044 said:
zzombie;9487022 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9486983 said:
zzombie;9486974 said:
If the federal government allows even one state to break away it will lead to the nation being balkanized therefore no state will ever leave the union and it will mean war if they seriously tried.

I'm sure anyone willing to establish themselves independently would be prepared mentally and physically for whatever the federal government decides to do.

Anyone??? We are talking about a whole state not a few hundred people

Not everyone, some will of course be along for the ride if it's done by vote (if they choose to stay), but I'm talking about anyone or any group or collective who will be willing to create and establish themselves as a brand new nation and system from scratch will be well aware of any potential dangers of establishing themselves as an independent nation.

Not being deterred by those potential dangers means they'll more than likely be ready to defend themselves.

It does not work that way AND I DON'T think you understand the ramifications of what you are saying

What is it I or we don't understand?
 
zzombie;9487525 said:
The united states of america fought a bloody war over this issue already any state leaving this union is impossible. unless there is a total breakdown of the federal government there will never be a cession and it does not matter what the people in those states think or want. LEAVING THE UNION IS NOT POSSIBLE.

EVEN TRYING will lead to massive death on a scale Americans have never witnessed before and Americans are not ready to live and struggle like the people in Syria.

Anything within the natural laws of the universe is possible.

Anything can be done with wisdom, knowledge and the wise application of that knowledge.

When the people are ready to be independent, they will be. By any means...
 
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487604 said:
zzombie;9487525 said:
The united states of america fought a bloody war over this issue already any state leaving this union is impossible. unless there is a total breakdown of the federal government there will never be a cession and it does not matter what the people in those states think or want. LEAVING THE UNION IS NOT POSSIBLE.

EVEN TRYING will lead to massive death on a scale Americans have never witnessed before and Americans are not ready to live and struggle like the people in Syria.

Anything within the natural laws of the universe is possible.

Anything can be done with wisdom, knowledge and the wise application of that knowledge.

When the people are ready to be independent, they will be. By any means...

PIPE DREAMS AND FANTASIES DON'T BLOCK BULLETS and all this esoteric talk won't save you go ask the people in syria how their rebellion is going and while anything within the natural laws are possible many things are implausible.

ANY STATE BREAKING AWAY FROM THE UNION IS EXTREMELY EXTREMELY EXTREMELY IMPLAUSIBLE IN THE EXTREME.
 
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487586 said:
zzombie;9487515 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487044 said:
zzombie;9487022 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9486983 said:
zzombie;9486974 said:
If the federal government allows even one state to break away it will lead to the nation being balkanized therefore no state will ever leave the union and it will mean war if they seriously tried.

I'm sure anyone willing to establish themselves independently would be prepared mentally and physically for whatever the federal government decides to do.

Anyone??? We are talking about a whole state not a few hundred people

Not everyone, some will of course be along for the ride if it's done by vote (if they choose to stay), but I'm talking about anyone or any group or collective who will be willing to create and establish themselves as a brand new nation and system from scratch will be well aware of any potential dangers of establishing themselves as an independent nation.

Not being deterred by those potential dangers means they'll more than likely be ready to defend themselves.

It does not work that way AND I DON'T think you understand the ramifications of what you are saying

What is it I or we don't understand?

EXACTLY what is would take to accomplish cession and exactly how much opposition you will face.
 
Turfaholic;9487510 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487450 said:
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.

California can maintain itself. It's expensive as fuck. But the state is increasing minimum wages to help with that. Niggas forget the impact silicon valley has on the world. California was the first state who wanted to use marijuana and tax it, not to line the pockets of the rich, but to put back into the community. Police in California know their role. Unlike southern police who rule with a iron fist.

And as far as the gay shit, Ive seen it with my own eyes. Atlanta is far more gay than West Hollywood & the Castro District in San Francisco combined. Niggas need to go see some things before making a statement.

Yes, silicon valley, cannabis, and agriculture will be major factors.

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zzombie;9487619 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487586 said:
zzombie;9487515 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487044 said:
zzombie;9487022 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9486983 said:
zzombie;9486974 said:
If the federal government allows even one state to break away it will lead to the nation being balkanized therefore no state will ever leave the union and it will mean war if they seriously tried.

I'm sure anyone willing to establish themselves independently would be prepared mentally and physically for whatever the federal government decides to do.

Anyone??? We are talking about a whole state not a few hundred people

Not everyone, some will of course be along for the ride if it's done by vote (if they choose to stay), but I'm talking about anyone or any group or collective who will be willing to create and establish themselves as a brand new nation and system from scratch will be well aware of any potential dangers of establishing themselves as an independent nation.

Not being deterred by those potential dangers means they'll more than likely be ready to defend themselves.

It does not work that way AND I DON'T think you understand the ramifications of what you are saying

What is it I or we don't understand?

EXACTLY what is would take to accomplish cession and exactly how much opposition you will face.

What will it take? Be specific. And of course there will be opposition...

But this is less about cessation and more about California establishing itself as a sovereign independent nation and about creating policies and systems that are specific to its residents and its "values".
 
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NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487450 said:
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.

1. Probably won't happen. But the economies of technology, agriculture, and entertainment would allow California to sustain itself.

2. Possibly. If it comes with some type of United Nations oversight.....id have to look more into the specifics....

3. Depends on the actual specifics of trade, fees, taxes, etc. Especially how food and health care would be handled. If it's an improvement over the rest of the states, why not?

 
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Turfaholic;9487510 said:
NeighborhoodNomad. ;9487450 said:
@AllCaliforniaPosters

What do you think about this?

Is this a good idea?

Is this something you would support?

I'm not asking if you think it will happen, I'm asking if you think this is a good idea and something you would support.

Everyone I spoke to about it liked the idea....alot.

California can maintain itself. It's expensive as fuck. But the state is increasing minimum wages to help with that. Niggas forget the impact silicon valley has on the world. California was the first state who wanted to use marijuana and tax it, not to line the pockets of the rich, but to put back into the community. Police in California know their role. Unlike southern police who rule with a iron fist.

And as far as the gay shit, Ive seen it with my own eyes. Atlanta is far more gay than West Hollywood & the Castro District in San Francisco combined. Niggas need to go see some things before making a statement.

Haha where did this come from? I came in here to read about Cali. Dont be trying to deflect to Atl. Anyway who even goes around looking how "gay" a place is? I never been but hey San Fran been that place for decades. None of my business and I aint hatin and I know its not the whole city, but this desparate deflection attempt is laughable and odd. Dont be tryin to throw the A under the bus. Nobody in the A thinkin bout your city to even bring it up haha yall do whatever yall do out there.

But anyway the topic is Cali and in some ways I think, good for them. If the country is going in a completely different direction than them, what can you do. I dont know how it would work though.
 
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