Why is Obama challenging the Arizona law when MOST Americans support it......?

[the_underground]

that's not a technical argument, it's a moral one

Ha. The pilgrims were the first illegal immigrants. That's not just "moral". That's common sense, albeit, getting technical. Makes no sense that people are talking all of this shit about "illegal immigration." People are so self-righteous and have historical amnesia.

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

Ha. The pilgrims were the first illegal immigrants. That's not just "moral". That's common sense, albeit, getting technical. Makes no sense that people are talking all of this shit about "illegal immigration." People are so self-righteous and have historical amnesia.

Haha.No response to this aye?

What if the Mexiczns got a lil Christopher Columbus complex going on and decide that they "discovered" the United states?

 

[kingblaze84]

For all the people here saying it's just whites complaining about illegal immigration and its disastrous costs to our social services......

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_and_immigration.html

When Earl Ofari Hutchinson, a columnist for BlackNews.com, wrote a series of pieces sympathizing with illegal aliens, the volume of hostile mail that poured in from other blacks shocked him. Illegal immigration has sizzled as a topic on African-American stations like satellite radio XM’s “The Power,” with most callers demanding more immigration restrictions. African-American bloggers have excoriated black politicians who favor liberal immigration policies. “In the realm of pandering black elites, there is no more notorious public figure than [Texas] Congresswoman Sheila Jackson-Lee,” wrote Elizabeth Wright in the online newsletter Issues & Views. “According to Jackson-Lee, those blacks who forcefully oppose mass immigration are simply naive and are being ‘baited’ [by white opponents of immigration] into taking such negative positions.”

Recent polling data reveal the shift. Though a 2006 Pew Center national survey showed some of the same ambivalence among blacks toward immigrants, it also found that in several urban areas where blacks and Latinos were living together, blacks were more likely to say that immigrants were taking jobs from Americans, and also more likely to favor cutting America’s current immigration levels.

What’s behind the anger, as the Pew data hint, is the rapid change that legal and illegal Hispanic immigration is bringing to longtime black locales. Places like South Los Angeles and Compton, California, have transformed, virtually overnight, into majority-Latino communities. Huge numbers of new immigrants have also surged beyond newcomer magnets California and New York to reach fast-growing southern states like North Carolina and Georgia, bringing change to communities where blacks had gained economic and political power after years of struggle against Jim Crow laws. Since 1990, North Carolina’s Hispanic population has exploded from 76,726 people to nearly 600,000, the majority of them ethnically Mexican. In Georgia, the Hispanic population grew nearly sevenfold, to almost 700,000, from 1990 to 2006.

This Latino “tsunami,” as Los Angeles–based Hispanic-American writer Nicolás Vaca calls it, has intensified the well-founded feeling among blacks that they’re losing economic ground to immigrants. True, early research, conducted in the wake of the big immigration reforms of the 1960s, suggested that the arrival of newcomers had little adverse impact on blacks—one study found that every 10 percent increase in immigration cut black wages by only 0.3 percent. But as the immigrant population has in some places grown six or seven times larger over the last four decades, the downward pull has become a vortex. A recent study by Harvard economist George Borjas and colleagues from the University of Chicago and the University of California estimates that immigration accounted for a 7.4 percentage-point decline in the employment rate of unskilled black males between 1980 and 2000. Even for black males with high school diplomas, immigration shrank employment by nearly 3 percentage points. While immigration hurts black and white low-wage workers, the authors note, the effect is three times as large on blacks because immigrants are more likely to compete directly with them for jobs.

 

[dholt23]

that's not a technical argument, it's a moral one

how the fuck is that moral, thats fact america was stolen, native americans will never get it back

 

[kingblaze84]

T/s, question for u.

What do you consider 'reason to believe a citizen is in this country illegally?'

If i get pulled over for speeding or not signaling, and the officer suspects im here in this country illegally because im Latino, does he have a right to ask me to present all my paper work and question me about my citizenship status, even if im perfectly legal? I wouldnt even know how to answer that question, 'present my papers'. Doesn't matter i speak perfect english with only the slightest accent. Fuck it we all look alike to cops anyway, right?

how about if im talking in spanish to my kids or my family in public? does he have a right to stop and question me and mine because he claims to have reason to believe i may be an illegal? shit look at all those kids. I MUST be an illegal mexican.

It's very simple, and should be a law throughout the entire USA......carry legal documents with you proving you are a U.S. citizen. Just like in most other nations, including Mexico. That's all. Nothing too complicated. Cops won't racially profile anyone according to the law, but if someone is in the midst of suspicious activity, than YES, papers should be checked, like in any other random country. Cops shouldn't just stop someone in the street just because they might "look" illegal, that's wrong and immoral. Thankfully, the law in Arizona does not allow police to just search up random people and harass them.

Any further questions?

 

[redhandedbandit]

It's very simple, and should be a law throughout the entire USA......carry legal documents with you proving you are a U.S. citizen. Just like in most other nations, including Mexico. That's all. Nothing too complicated.

Any further questions?

who should carry them

 

[kingblaze84]

I've heard this argument before about illegals taking all the jobs.

It's bullshit.

The more people a community has, the more jobs are needed to meet a community's demands. If there aren't enough jobs, then that should tell you that something is fucked up in the capitalist economy, not with people coming across a border. Also, the issue of overcrowding and lack of access is not a problem tied to illegal immigration, it is related to the government and the local authorities not giving a fuck about people to fulfill their needs.

And I heard a statistic from Angela Davis that the majority of illegal immigrants are Europeans on student visas. So that tells me that all this protecting borders on Mexico and the Arizona immigration law is complete propaganda.

You fail to understand that too many people in one area will usually drain an area of its resources, why do you think the largest nations or those with fast growing populations are usually amongst the poorest?

Having too many illegals is taking up resources and money that can be used for American citizens in our hospitals and schools. It's not rocket science, it's common sense.....in theory, the more people in an area, the more people needed to service them is true. However, population growth is occuring so fast, jobs can't keep up with them.....until more order is in play, there has to be some kind of population control. That includes kicking out as many illegals as possible, as well as preventing anchor babies from becoming American citizens. I guarantee you one day, anchor babies will NOT be allowed to become American citizens, population growth is growing too fast.

So many third world nations are so poor partly because so many people are having children they can't FUCKING AFFORD TO TAKE CARE OF. Right now, the USA has too many people it can't afford to take care of....something has to give.....the target is on illegals, and with excellent reasons. If Obama doesn't get it, his ass will be handed to him and a Republican with Tea Party ties will make me seem like a socialist.

 

[kingblaze84]

who should carry them

EVERYONE. Every single person who is a citizen. If you don't have the right papers, than that person should be liable to be taken to jail or questioned until he or she can prove he/she is legal. Sound fair to you?

 

[kingblaze84]

As an outsider looking in: T/S is pro-Obama, he has made that [repeatedly] clear, he wants O to win in 2012, however if O decides to challenge this bill it will cost him the 2012 election.

/correct me if I am wrong t/s.

On a side note, here is an interesting read for some of you folks out there:

Yes, you are right, I do want Obama to win in 2012.......if he's smart, he'll stop sueing Arizona and mind his own fucking business. Take better care of the border instead of playing cowboy games with the Taliban.

And the rest of your post is in on point, great post.

 

[redhandedbandit]

EVERYONE. Every single person who is a citizen. If you don't have the right papers, than that person should be liable to be taken to jail or questioned until he or she can prove he/she is legal. Sound fair to you?

no thanks i do not feel the need to be stopped and checked for my "papers"

 

[tdoto88]

You fail to understand that too many people in one area will usually drain an area of its resources, why do you think the largest nations or those with fast growing populations are usually amongst the poorest?

Having too many illegals is taking up resources and money that can be used for American citizens in our hospitals and schools. It's not rocket science, it's common sense.....in theory, the more people in an area, the more people needed to service them is true. However, population growth is occuring so fast, jobs can't keep up with them.....until more order is in play, there has to be some kind of population control. That includes kicking out as many illegals as possible, as well as preventing anchor babies from becoming American citizens. I guarantee you one day, anchor babies will NOT be allowed to become American citizens, population growth is growing too fast.

So many third world nations are so poor partly because so many people are having children they can't FUCKING AFFORD TO TAKE CARE OF. Right now, the USA has too many people it can't afford to take care of....something has to give.....the target is on illegals, and with excellent reasons. If Obama doesn't get it, his ass will be handed to him and a Republican with Tea Party ties will make me seem like a socialist.

i think youre failing to realize everyone in here is for immigration reform but not the radical ways Arizona is going about it, which is discriminatory/racist no matter how you try to cut it (I think a dude from Arizona already commented on this multiple times)

also throwing out unsubstantiated claims (i have yet to see any sort of tables/statistical charts/graphs/data in general from credible sources) and passing them off as "common sense" makes ur argument look weaker than it would be (the italicized lines)

the underlined statements are incorrect.. (refer to the former sentence)...

lmao @ the bolded as if Republicans & the Tea Bags havent been saying that since he came into office...

Like i stated over & over again WE ALL WANT IMMIGRATION REFORM but not they way Arizona is going about it which is ambiguous, vague (which cannot work for laws; they must be precise... unless you love loopholes) and racist.

 

[kingblaze84]

no thanks i do not feel the need to be stopped and checked for my "papers"

You must not travel outside the country much.....if you don't have your papers in most other nations, you're FUCKED. I hope you don't travel to Mexico any time soon, it'll be real funny seeing you if you get stopped there. Tell the federallies there "I do not feel the need to be stopped and checked for my papers" and see how hard they'll laugh their asses off at you.

 

[kingblaze84]

i think youre failing to realize everyone in here is for immigration reform but not the radical ways Arizona is going about it, which is discriminatory/racist no matter how you try to cut it (I think a dude from Arizona already commented on this multiple times)

also throwing out unsubstantiated claims (i have yet to see any sort of tables/statistical charts/graphs/data in general from credible sources) and passing them off as "common sense" makes ur argument look weaker than it would be (the italicized lines)

the underlined statements are incorrect.. (refer to the former sentence)...

lmao @ the bolded as if Republicans & the Tea Bags havent been saying that since he came into office...

Like i stated over & over again WE ALL WANT IMMIGRATION REFORM but not they way Arizona is going about it which is ambiguous, vague (which cannot work for laws; they must be precise... unless you love loopholes) and racist.

As I've said before, the law in Arizona is all about doing what the federal government is too lazy to do now, which is check citizens that are in the middle of suspicious activity. If a dude is running past a red light, he should have his papers checked, like anyone else, and be seen to have his papers. If he doesn't, he should be deported ASA FUCKING P.

What's so bad about that? Everyone should have their papers on them, if I travelled to Mexico, I would have to have my papers.....why should it be any different in the USA?? WHY?

And yes, so many countries in the Third World are so poor because so many people are having children they cannot take care of. Govt services are bankrupt in many countries because the govt is dishing out more services than money is coming in, that's not rocket science, it's common sense. If a village has the average couple having 8 kids, yet their making $100 a month, is that economically feasible to you? So yes, too many people that cannot be taken care of is a burden on society, and HELPS create a poor country....the USA is well on its way to that path some day.

 

[the_underground]

If an economy is working properly, then the logic is that a community will need more businesses and jobs to sustain itself. Why do you think Arizona's state economy was doing so well? The number of immigrants that came to that state boosted its economy. Now that people are leaving, they are losing money. This law is actually draining viable resources.

The issue is not population growth. The issue is that capitalism is a decaying, flawed system that cheats people out of jobs in the third world and in North America. Only difference is, people there will rightly blame the economy for being flawed instead of here, where they scape goat immigration and talk about population control. Population control is nothing but eugenics and doesn't solve the overall problem that capitalism is creating where people are out of jobs.

Finally, the reason that people in the third world are poor is because too few people have access to/own resources to make a decent living. It also has to do with multinational companies driving out local businesses, and using cheap labor for getting money for themselves. Nothing to do with having a lot of babies and shit. So until capitalist free trade stops fucking up people's lives, I will STILL continue to support people doing what they need to do to make it, even if it means coming across illegally.

 

[earth two superman]

so basically you want a national ID card. nothing new there.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/95235-democrats-spark-alarm-with-call-for-national-id-card"

wow you really ARE liberal. its gonna cost a lot of money to get that started. Also, thats a lot of government in our lives. you think ANY republican is gonna vote for that?

 

[tdoto88]

As I've said before, the law in Arizona is all about doing what the federal government is too lazy to do now, which is check citizens that are in the middle of suspicious activity. If a dude is running past a red light, he should have his papers checked, like anyone else, and be seen to have his papers. If he doesn't, he should be deported ASA FUCKING P.

What's so bad about that? Everyone should have their papers on them, if I travelled to Mexico, I would have to have my papers.....why should it be any different in the USA?? WHY?

And yes, so many countries in the Third World are so poor because so many people are having children they cannot take care of. Govt services are bankrupt in many countries because the govt is dishing out more services than money is coming in, that's not rocket science, it's common sense.] If a village has the average couple having 8 kids, yet their making $100 a month, is that economically feasible to you? So yes, too many people that cannot be taken care of is a burden on society, and HELPS create a poor country....the USA is well on its way to that path some day.

See you stated suspicious activity... what is "suspicious activity"?? see what I am saying.. its too vague & it leaves it up to the cops discretion/interpretation. So now cops to go up to damn near anyone for no good reason "He kept looking around... I found that suspicious" or some bullshit like that..

also u said if the person doesnt have said "papers" he should be deported ASAP... what if dude is a US born citizen who happened to leave his "papers" at home (we have all forgotten our drivers ID/school ID at one pt so dnt try tht bs) should he be detained or threatened with deportation even though he has other forms of ID on his person?? and what stops ppl from forging these papers or obtaining fake copies??

at the bolded... so it has nothing to do with underdeveloped or corrupt governments, internal wars (village against village/city against city etc), wars on a larger scope, corporations raping and plundering their natural resources, or natural disasters (droughts, tsunamis etc)... its only bc they have too many kids which you claim get taken care of by the government............................-_-...........................................................

again here you go stating unsubstantiated claims then say they are "common sense"... your whole population argument is tired... if that is the case then China's economy shouldnt be booming and India's economy shouldnt be either (if you didnt know, India is one of the top emerging countries of the decade along with Brazil, Russia & China)..

Now am I mad Arizona wants to stop illegal immigration?? Hell no bc it is a problem... but the ways (I keep saying this........) they are going about it are wrong & will affect Arizona politically & economically.

 

[LeeRain]

its crazy to me that the report did not offer up the raw data so we can view them ourselves... Knowing what I know about statistics & how ppl can easily manipulate the stats to show you a story they (the data preparers) want too I cannot take this poll for its face value...

...

 

[Maximus Rex]

So is Obama trying on purpose to lose in 2012?? What the hell is wrong with him and his administration? In a time when jobs are so hard to find for so many, why is he on the side of illegals and their supporters??? The government of Arizona made changes to the law that prohibit racial profiling, so what's the problem?

No, the pres. isn't trying to set himself up for failure. The president is one of those people who doesn't believe in borders. As a matter of fact when the Mexican pres. was here, he said that "a nation isn't defined by it's borders." The rationale is that Hispanics are the largest minority group in America and politicians want to carter to them. The powers at be figure that will join unions, fill the church coffers, and vote democratic. Plus they keep the price of produce low.

Let's be real here; they're not taking positions from doctors, engineers, lawyers, politicians, nurses, or anything else even remotely skilled. They're getting jobs pickin' vegetables, fast food, landscaping, and anything janitorial... that's about it.

I didn't know that construction, auto mechanics, carpentry, masonry, and cooking wasn't skilled labor. Here in New York janitorial jobs are union that pay union scale and it's members receive union benefits. Here is an article about a cat that came here illegally was forced to sell bullshit knit knacks on the train. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/nyregion/23about.html?ref=smuggling. Long story short, the cops busted the government let them stay. This dude ends up in a program that leads to him getting a $20 an hour job with benefits. I don't know about you, but I know a lot of people who would gladly get up in the morning to go to Liberty Island to clean toilets for $20 an hour. Now multiply this scenario by 20 million illegals. That my friend is a serious fucking problem.

FMP, polls are bullshit and biased. No adult I know is ever polled for the shit they show ion TV. Bet you 100 bucks the people who are agreeing with this law are conservative, white, and mostly middle class. I was in Arizona and a lot of people on the border I met didn't care about people coming across.

Just because you've personally never been polled for something it mean the data is in accurate. If the poll reflected the converse, I guess they would've only polled liberals who thought the law was racist and you would proudly shot that most of the nation was against the law.

If polling didn't work, then business and politicians wouldn't spend the money to have the poll taken. In order to draw a accurate conclusion you have to get a wide range of opinions from different demographics. Believe if this poll was inaccurate it would've been front page news.

The bill is racist and xenophobic, and should be challenged, as well as the racist mindset of people who support it,

U.S. Code 1304e says this (e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties

Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

Basically this means a legal a resident has to carry his green with him AT ALL TIMES!!!!

 

[Maximus Rex]

This is what the Arizona law says. http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/04/anti-illegal-immigration-law-part-1/

B. For any lawful contact stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released. The person’s immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:

1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.

C. If an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States is convicted of a violation of state or local law, on discharge from imprisonment or on the assessment of any monetary obligation that is imposed, the United States immigration and customs enforcement or the United States customs and border protection shall be immediately notified.

D. Notwithstanding any other law, a law enforcement agency may securely transport an alien who the agency has received verification is unlawfully present in the united states and who is in the agency’s custody to a federal facility in this state or to any other point of transfer into federal custody that is outside the jurisdiction of the law enforcement agency. a law enforcement agency shall obtain judicial authorization before securely transporting an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States to a point of transfer that is outside of this state.

In a nutshell it says that police have to a reason to accost you. Now that reason can be anything minor like jaywalking, an open container, speeding, loitering etc. In this encounter the police will demand you present proof of some sort of legal residency. If not, then they'll send you to ICE. Where's the racism in that? This law isn't going to suddenly make cops start profiling people if they weren't already.

This is office topic but has to be address

No, you said "protect the borders" and I reminded you that Mexico protected its borders and whites still STOLE the land and BROKE the treaties with them. So youd ont get to talk about immigration when you are the decendent of immigrants. Lying, cheating, stealing ones at that. see following post ...

I guess the Aztecs stole the land from the neighboring tribes they conquered. I guess the Normans stole England from the Anglo-Saxons. Didn't Hannibal try to steal Rome's empire? Ghenghis Khan stole the Khwarazmian Empire from the Khwarzamians. Wouldn't you say the Manchu stole China from the Mings. What would you say about the Tokugawa Shogunate?

Liberals love to talk about how American "supposedly stole," something from somebody. As to say that Europeans were the only people in the world to conquer the next man's lands. Dude if your so disturbed by this and hate the country so much, then wghy do you live here. Why don't pack up and go stay with Fidel, Raul, or Kim Jung Il?

Please. Pfft with all this shit about people being illegal.

If we were to get technical about who is illegal in this country, indigenous people are the only ones that are Americans. Every other motherfucker who came to this country is illegal, especially white folks, whose descendants have the nerve to be talking about "protecting borders."

The 14th Amendment Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America Section I Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. [

especially white folks, whose descendants have the nerve to be talking about "protecting borders."

The Preamble To The Constitution of The United States
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.​

Point is, most people who come here aren't criminals. They are people who need jobs and a better life because NAFTA and international trade keeps fucking them over in their home country. Not to mention that the US makes the legalization process difficult to keep people from coming.

I don't care if someone is illegal or not. Until 3rd world economic poverty and political oppression ends, I continue to support people making a better life for themselves, whether they cross border with papers or not.

Let me ask you something and any of you pro immigrant people can answer this question. When and most importantly WHY did it become the United States responsibility to provide the 3rd world with a better standard of living? If Mexico enter into a fucked up trade agreement who's fault is that, the U.S.? Why didn't Mexican representative negotiate more acceptable terms on behalf of their country? Why should getting into the United States be an easy thing to do. You talk about people coming here to make a better life for themselves, but why are you completely and totally absolving these people's native governments of the responsibility of providing their citizens with a higher standard of living. Your the type of person who demands free medical care, social services, and other entitlements from the government, but why doesn't the government of Mexico have to provides it's citizens with the same thing?

 

[Maximus Rex]

I don't know how accurate this is but I found it interesting

JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL
> You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".
> Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.
> Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
> Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash" under the table".
> Ready? Now pay attention...
> Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
> Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose> Illegal now has $31,200.00.
> Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
> Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
> Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
> Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
> Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.
> Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.
> Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.
> Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.
> Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
> Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.
> Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
> Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
> Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch..
> Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.
> Joe Legal's children go home.
> Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

> Do you get it, now?
> If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens...
> You are part of the problem!
> It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!
> What are you waiting for? Pass it on.