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kingblaze84;847879 said:Maybe it's not all hate. Maybe it's the fact that too many illegals are taking up resources from our hospitals and schools? Uncontrolled immigration will see a further drain on our resources.....that's something ALL races can see. I'm gona post up some interesting links that will show you how most blacks feel about illegal immigration, let's see what you say than.
shootemwon;847880 said:Anti-Immigrant sentiments have historically always had ties to racism. And I don't care what the stated purpose is, the Arizona law is specifically designed to increase harassment of Hispanics, be they illegals, legal immigrants, or natural citizens.
kingblaze84;847890 said:You must really hate Mexico's anti-illegal laws than. Check a couple of posts back to see how much more mean it is compared to Arizona's law. The law has language that prohibits racial profiling, only those that act suspicious will be subject to the law. What's the alternative? Let a state go broke because so many illegals are draining up the system of its resources?
Something has to be done.....no coincidence more than 19 states or cities will have language that will MIRROR Arizona's laws. Let's see how many states or cities Obama is willing to sue.....I'm only trying to help Obama save his chances for 2012, he needs to back down on this issue, otherwise his ass is gonna get handed to him in 2 years. It's his choice though.....I doubt he will have the balls to sue so many cities and states though.
kingblaze84;847642 said:http://www.sbsun.com/columnists/ci_3767570
But as the debate continues over whether to crack down or ease up on illegal immigrants in the United States, little attention has been paid to the treatment immigrants receive in Mexico.
Similarities abound between the two countries' policies, given that Mexico built much of its 1917 constitution and other laws on the United States' example. But Mexico has some noteworthy standouts:
Under Article 123 of the General Population Act, illegal immigration is an offense punishable by up to two years in prison and a fine of up to 5,000 pesos, or about $450. Typically, any crime with a punishment of a year or more is considered a felony.
Article 118 of the act says foreigners who are deported and then later attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be punished with up to 10 years in prison.
Under Article 73, local police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities when asked to help enforce the nation's immigration laws.
As set forth in several articles of the act, immigrants are admitted into Mexico according to their potential to "contribute to the national progress" and must have the income needed to support themselves.
Article 9 of the constitution says only citizens may assemble to "take part in the political affairs of the country." Under Article 33, noncitizens "may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country."
------Hmm......how ironic. And why is Obama protecting illegal immigrants again? I see a whole lot of fucking hypocrisy on Mexico's side. Arizona's law doesn't look very different than Mexico's extremely harsh policies on illegal immigrants. And people wonder why the sympathy with illegals is dying out.....Arizona is going to be joined by many other states and cities that will VERY SOON crack down hard on illegals who are draining our resources.
shootemwon;847900 said:Do you have proof that the state's "system of its resources" are "draining up" specifically because of illegals? I mean, last time I checked, every state was strapped for resources due to poor revenues as a result of high unemployment and other economic factors.
By the way, what does it prove if Mexico's law is harsher? I never said we should be more like Mexico.
heyslick;847936 said:HOW stupid can one person be? If Mexico had it even slightly together we wouldn't be having the illegal immigrant problems were having now.WTF is it about people who cannot understand this term illegal immigrant.
heyslick;847936 said:HOW stupid can one person be? If Mexico had it even slightly together we wouldn't be having the illegal immigrant problems were having now.WTF is it about people who cannot understand this term illegal immigrant.
heyslick;847989 said:BS! people cannot understand the message if they constantly attack the messenger.The term racist is used so easily when constructive criticism is the real issue. This country is a nation of laws and the sooner there enforced the better off we will all be,even tho this President doesn't follow the rules IE he's to concerned with pandering to the illegals.
redhandedbandit;848004 said:dick head did you read what i wrote do you think the are gonna look for croation refugees or somali no they are gonna be going at mexicans...
kingblaze84;834702 said:Seriously? Doesn't Obama understand what a complete blunder and stupid decision this is???
He risks losing bad in 2012 because of illegal immigration, this is a very sensitive subject for the average American, and Obama is NOT on America's side when it comes to this issue.
http://scpr.org/programs/airtalk/2010/05/13/majority-of-americans-support-arizonas-tough-immig/
So is Obama trying on purpose to lose in 2012?? What the hell is wrong with him and his administration? In a time when jobs are so hard to find for so many, why is he on the side of illegals and their supporters??? The government of Arizona made changes to the law that prohibit racial profiling, so what's the problem?
earth two superman;835654 said:most americans supported slavery at one point too.
In California , if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to to their home countries, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.
In Colorado, if 500,000 illegal migrants, would move back 'home', mostly to Mexico . That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado .
Denver 's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
In Florida , 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America , the rule of law, and English.
In Chicago , Illinois , 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.
If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home' --
If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.
In cities like L.A. , 20,000 members of the ' 18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans!
No more foreign rapists and child molesters!
Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!
America 's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America 's economy - which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California , Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.
Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases.
Over one million of Mexico 's poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville , Texas to San Diego , California in what the New York Times called, "colonias" or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America 's new " Third World " inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them personally in Texas and Arizona ; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico .
There's no doubt that illegal immigrants put a strain on our services.
astonmartin;848999 said:As an outsider looking in: T/S is pro-Obama, he has made that [repeatedly] clear, he wants O to win in 2012, however if O decides to challenge this bill it will cost him the 2012 election.
/correct me if I am wrong t/s.
On a side note, here is an interesting read for some of you folks out there:
kingblaze84;846715 said:Yep, just let in EVERYBODY who wants to work in America come on board.....America's social services are being overwhelmed as we speak, hospitals and schools are closing down, and you want EVERRRRYBODY to come on board and further bankrupt us. Ok, I guess you enjoy seeing these young kids out here have to sell crack and ass for a living because so many illegals are taking jobs that young teenagers used to do.
Yep, chaos and no borders are the solution. I understand how whites stole this land and everything but when is enough immigration enough?? Obama is looking like he's gonna lose in 2012 if he wants to be in favor of illegals on this issue. Don't say I didn't warn anybody if Obama loses huge 2 years from now, this issue is REALLY pissing people off out there. His poll numbers are down the drain now, for the most part (although it could be much worse).
All presidents get bad polls at one point or the other, but for Obama to SUE Arizona over an issue that will only hurt Obama if he's left wing is CERTAIN political suicide.