Why I raise my children without God.

[Disciplined InSight]

No disrespect to all my fellow IC constituents but I dont think you understand the POV of an atheist...(using and atheist as an example)

•first of all... to a theist (if your a theist) ANY! and I mean ANY.. big or little criticism against a GOD that you love.. That you've built your life around...will always feel and sound like an attack.

• Secondly...do you realize that atheist are surrounded by theist all damn day .. 75% being christian in the states.. right.. We gotta hear about this God shyt all damn day from everywhere!.. ... We cant escape that shyt... N*ggas be on facebook talking that shyt or praising God at the award shows (like nygga get outta here wts.) We gotta hear that shyt from a bunch of hypocritical mafuckas.... like clearly you obviously in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM live your life Christ like...(all you do is pray when you need some shyt) but who am I to judge.

Its like a black man trying to escape the essence of racism or some shyt.

So yeah it may seem like Atheist are pushy (and some are because theres always a fringe element within a certain group) but nyggas finally can actually speak out without feeling shunned... especially in the Black community where people love them some God and jesus.

Feelings...

Move to Sweden. Problem solved.

 

[zombie]

Anyway, the application of logic alone disproves the existence of an all powerful god, especially the Abrahamic version. There' s a lot of bad arguments in here but because I was late to this thread, I'm not going to waste my time in addressing them unless I get bored at work later on.

You are a fucking buddist, you are not even a real atheist meaning you are is just a thin slice away from being in a religion so you really are just a fucking deluded hypocrite.

I am in a religion. However, religion does not equal theism, so I'm many steps removed from believing in god. I have explained this to you before.

Once you are in a religion no matter if it's theistic or not you believe in something that does not have it's foundation if scientific reality in other words you still have an esoteric belief system. So get the fuck out of here, there is no difference between you and i except i base my understanding of reality on a different esoteric belief system than you do. You want to meditate your way to enlightenment and i want to pray my way into enlightenment.

You're wrong there but that's not what I was talking about anyway. I was talking about the existence of God, and I said the belief in an all powerful god is illogical; it does not help humanity to gain any more knowledge or understanding than it had without belief in God. Theism is not beneficial.

belief in god may be illogical coming from a humanist standpoint, i will freely admit that but you is your belief in budddism. Theism has many advantages it has strengthened man for thousands of years by creating a sense of unity among followers of the same religion it has inspired some of the most greatest works of art man has ever made. it has literally kept people alive when they would have died from despair.

 

[zombie]

No man is attractive but not everyman is ugly you stupid fuck.

So you walk around evaluating other men? n/h You called him ugly in a derogatory way, insinuating that he should be ashamed to be ugly and that being a man, he should naturally be attractive n/h

fuck you. fuck you're bullshit logic, and the misunderstandings you have about the abrahamic god.

Wow, what an intelligent response. Does God bless you to be so wise and knowledgeable?

Ugly is ugly. you cannot conclude that because i called something ugly that i think it should be attractive. Fuck outta here with that bullshit. yes god did bless me with the knowledge to know that you are a fucking idiot.

 

[Bodhi]

Anyway, the application of logic alone disproves the existence of an all powerful god, especially the Abrahamic version. There' s a lot of bad arguments in here but because I was late to this thread, I'm not going to waste my time in addressing them unless I get bored at work later on.

You are a fucking buddist, you are not even a real atheist meaning you are is just a thin slice away from being in a religion so you really are just a fucking deluded hypocrite.

I am in a religion. However, religion does not equal theism, so I'm many steps removed from believing in god. I have explained this to you before.

Once you are in a religion no matter if it's theistic or not you believe in something that does not have it's foundation if scientific reality in other words you still have an esoteric belief system. So get the fuck out of here, there is no difference between you and i except i base my understanding of reality on a different esoteric belief system than you do. You want to meditate your way to enlightenment and i want to pray my way into enlightenment.

You're wrong there but that's not what I was talking about anyway. I was talking about the existence of God, and I said the belief in an all powerful god is illogical; it does not help humanity to gain any more knowledge or understanding than it had without belief in God. Theism is not beneficial.

belief in god may be illogical coming from a humanist standpoint, i will freely admit that but you is your belief in budddism. Theism has many advantages it has strengthened man for thousands of years by creating a sense of unity among followers of the same religion it has inspired some of the most greatest works of art man has ever made. it has literally kept people alive when they would have died from despair.

Now this is a response I can respect. If it works for you and makes you happy, I can only wish you continued peace and happiness.

 

[Bodhi]

No man is attractive but not everyman is ugly you stupid fuck.

So you walk around evaluating other men? n/h You called him ugly in a derogatory way, insinuating that he should be ashamed to be ugly and that being a man, he should naturally be attractive n/h

fuck you. fuck you're bullshit logic, and the misunderstandings you have about the abrahamic god.

Wow, what an intelligent response. Does God bless you to be so wise and knowledgeable?

Ugly is ugly. you cannot conclude that because i called something ugly that i think it should be attractive. Fuck outta here with that bullshit. yes god did bless me with the knowledge to know that you are a fucking idiot.

It's not my fault you judge men on a scale of attractiveness so don't disrespect me for pointing it out.

I thought the belief in God caused the believer to be just and morally responsible? Yet here you are cursing and calling me names. Didn't Jesus say love your enemy? Maybe you should sign off and pray about it.

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you

 

[Disciplined InSight]

@Oceanic

That was a serious answer in my last post. I wasn't joking about non-believers moving to Sweden, considering it's possibly one of the most atheistic countries..I felt you and other non-believers would be more comfortable there with like-minded people.

I was just trying to help. Continue basking in your emotions with that reaction button.

 

[zombie]

Atheist fucking disgust me

why?

if you don't believe in god that is your choice.

Then let em live.

why the fuck are you writing books, articles and posting your trash all over the place.

Why not?

There exist no logical reason for atheist to do this other than trying their best to piss off believers.

To be fair, on the opposite side of the coin, there would be no reason for theists to write books or articles or post their opinions and beliefs wherever they feel.

Atheism is on the list of things that are destroying western society, which may be a good thing

Sweden, Vietnam, Norway, Denmark and Japan are the top 5 countries with the highest percentage of non theist inhabitants. Coincidentally, the crime rate is significantly lower in these places than areas with a higher percentage of believers.

atheism does nothing it inspires nothing it creates nothing. it seeks to strip man of religion but has nothing comparable to replace it.

It implies that man is responsible for man. Ethical conduct and humanism continue to exist without the presence of theistic belief systems.

belief in god commands man to do certain things. Belief in god changes everything, part of the reason why abortion, HEARTLESS murder, high levels of greed and other social ills are rampant in the west right now is because it have thrown away all the traditional morality that came with religion and now the western world is in the process of creating a new morality one that says I can make my own rules or right and wrong. Every generation seems to be getting worse in the past in the west evil was reserved for those who existed outside the group now evil seems to be given to every one outside the self.

Morality is seperable from god and/or religion and god is seperable from religion. The ethics of reciprocity is what many non theists adhere to, whether religious or not.

Sweden, norway, denmark are all dying populations, coincidence i don't think so and as for japan most people are shinto which is really a polytheistic belief system. like i said atheism creates nothing, man is also responsible for man under the god of abraham, but you don't understand the concepts behind his religions. In some religions theist have to praise god and spread his word, doing so is part of the religion. so if we write books it's a needed expression of faith that we are all but commanded to give. Atheist have no commandments you can not believe without muttering a word. You practice a lower form of morality, the abrahamic god does not command us to only give what we get, but to love even those that we get hate from, protect ourselves but to forgive when we are hurt.

The west attempt to create a morality apart from religion and spiritual belief so far has been a disaster. There is more evil done today on an personal level today than yesterday, the people are more corrupt and feel no shame about it. Women spread their legs like a clothes pin opening and the youth are in the "no fucks given generation" and are more prone to kill you than ever before.

Atheist disgust me because they won't shut up about it and they have no reason to talk a lot of atheist seem to love pissing off theist for no good reason.

 

[Bodhi]

I was just trying to help. Continue basking in your emotions with that reaction button.

gladly

 

[zombie]

No man is attractive but not everyman is ugly you stupid fuck.

So you walk around evaluating other men? n/h You called him ugly in a derogatory way, insinuating that he should be ashamed to be ugly and that being a man, he should naturally be attractive n/h

fuck you. fuck you're bullshit logic, and the misunderstandings you have about the abrahamic god.

Wow, what an intelligent response. Does God bless you to be so wise and knowledgeable?

Ugly is ugly. you cannot conclude that because i called something ugly that i think it should be attractive. Fuck outta here with that bullshit. yes god did bless me with the knowledge to know that you are a fucking idiot.

It's not my fault you judge men on a scale of attractiveness so don't disrespect me for pointing it out.

I thought the belief in God caused the believer to be just and morally responsible? Yet here you are cursing and calling me names. Didn't Jesus say love your enemy? Maybe you should sign off and pray about it.

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you

Don't quote what you don't believe in, the same god also commanded israel to smash the heads of their eneimes children against the rocks. it's not the belief in god that causes godly behavior it's the level of faith, but you don't understand this.

 

[Bodhi]

Sweden, norway, denmark are all dying populations, coincidence i don't think so

In what way? Sweden, Norway and Denmark populations are all increasing. Unemployment is higher in Jamaica than it is in Sweden, Norway, or Denmark and in addition to that, all three countries are richer than Jamaica.

man is also responsible for man under the god of abraham

So you don't need belief in god to adhere to a system of morality.

You practice a lower form of morality.

What separates lower morality from higher morality? It seems to me that lower morality would be to do good to avoid punishment, which is what most theists basically do. Morality for them is an obligation. Morality without god is understanding and compassion for others; a higher morality, imo.

the abrahamic god does not command us to only give what we get, but to love even those that we get hate from, protect ourselves but to forgive when we are hurt.

This form of morality is not exclusive to Abrahamic religions.

The west attempt to create a morality apart from religion and spiritual belief so far has been a disaster. There is more evil done today on an personal level today than yesterday, the people are more corrupt and feel no shame about it.

..And most of the west adheres to some Abrahamic religion, Christianity being the largest.

Women spread their legs like a clothes pin opening and the youth are in the "no fucks given generation" and are more prone to kill you than ever before.

Jamaica is not excempt and neither is the rest of the world, especially those parts that are mostly theistic.

a lot of atheist seem to love pissing off theist for no good reason.

you mean a lot of theists are pissed off for no good reason. Take yourself for example. I came in this thread, not talking to you by the way, and expressed my opinion and you replied with a kind and Christian-like "fuck you".

 

[Ajackson17]

This thread had a crazy turn, but it's one of the reasons why I will not talk religion with majority of folks, even if we believe the same thing.

 

[Bodhi]

the same god also commanded israel to smash the heads of their eneimes children against the rocks.

So God is commanding people to smash innocent children against rocks, yet at the same time you say this:

Belief in god changes everything, part of the reason why abortion, HEARTLESS murder, high levels of greed and other social ills are rampant in the west right now is because it have thrown away all the traditional morality that came with religion.

it's not the belief in god that causes godly behavior it's the level of faith, but you don't understand this.

So your level of faith is weak then??

it's not the belief in god that causes godly behavior.

Belief in god changes everything.

^^^ Which one is it??

 

[melanated khemist]

same ol fools dominated by their logic and reasoning faculties, which blinds and binds them to ignor ance.

 

[zombie]

Sweden, norway, denmark are all dying populations, coincidence i don't think so

In what way? Sweden, norway and denmark populations are all increasing.

man is also responsible for man under the god of abraham

So you don't need belief in god to adhere to a system of morality.

Read again, i said Under god law man is responsible for man, from the theistic standpoint you need the god there. without the god you would not be responsible for anything except yourself.

You practice a lower form of morality.

What separates lower morality from higher morality? It seems to me that lower morality would be to do good to avoid punishment, which is what most theists basically do. Morality for them is an obligation. Morality without god is understanding and compassion for others.

My morality is higher because it comes from a higher source, i don't base how i react to the world on any man's thinking or on my own feelings. If you really had an understanding of the abrahamic god you would know that there is no way to avoid pain or punishment in life. We are not good because we fear punishment we are god because we fear god THAT IS THE IDEAL we don't all live up to it but that what we strive for.

the abrahamic god does not command us to only give what we get, but to love even those that we get hate from, protect ourselves but to forgive when we are hurt.

This form of morality is not exclusive to Abrahamic religions.

That may be so but that concept of morality is better than the concept of reciprocal morality you gave.

The west attempt to create a morality apart from religion and spiritual belief so far has been a disaster. There is more evil done today on an personal level today than yesterday, the people are more corrupt and feel no shame about it.

..And most of the west adheres to some Abrahamic religion, Christianity being the largest.

Yes but it's not public anymore, it's not in the air anymore christanity and it's morals are no longer celebrated as the the best way to live anymore and that's where the problem began.

Women spread their legs like a clothes pin opening and the youth are in the "no fucks given generation" and are more prone to kill you than ever before.

Jamaica is not excempt and neither is the rest of the world, especially those parts that are mostly theistic.

Jamaica is part of the western world and has all of it's problems with the additional issues of being a small island and poor. Jamaica has a majority black population so thank god we also don't have the issues atheism creates on top of that.

a lot of atheist seem to love pissing off theist for no good reason.

you mean a lot of theists are pissed off for no good reason. Take yourself for example. I came in this thread, not talking to you by the way, and expressed my opinion and you replied with a kind and Christian-like "fuck you".

You see roots organic i don't seem to like your views on anything, me and you seem to be diametrically opposed not just on this topic but on everything. You irk my fucking nerves even your avatar pictures i don't like. You remind me of the hippy teacher from beavis and butt-head.

The native populations of norway sweden and denmark are dying. the growth in those nations come from outsiders who often themselves come from religious nations. White people are a dying group partly because of atheism acceptance of abortions. white people are the vast majority of atheist and these are the people who are dying off.

 

[Bodhi]

You see roots organic i don't seem to like your views on anything, me and you seem to be diametrically opposed not just on this topic but on everything.

You missed this:

In what way? Sweden, Norway and Denmark populations are all increasing. Unemployment is higher in Jamaica than it is in Sweden, Norway, or Denmark and in addition to that, all three countries are richer than Jamaica.

You irk my fucking nerves even your avatar pictures i don't like.

Not my fault.

The native populations of norway sweden and denmark are dying. the growth in those nations come from outsiders who often themselves come from religious nations. White people are a dying group partly because of atheism acceptance of abortions. white people are the vast majority of atheist and these are the people who are dying off.

^^^ That doesn't make any sense. Where are you getting your information from?

 

[zombie]

the same god also commanded israel to smash the heads of their eneimes children against the rocks.

So God is commanding people to smash innocent children against rocks, yet at the same time you say this:

Belief in god changes everything, part of the reason why abortion, HEARTLESS murder, high levels of greed and other social ills are rampant in the west right now is because it have thrown away all the traditional morality that came with religion.

Yes, because i have the understanding that the death ordered by god in the O.T was good and was for a greater reason. it was not to escape responsiblity like abortion is it was not based on greed or hate but love.

it's not the belief in god that causes godly behavior it's the level of faith, but you don't understand this.

So your level of faith is weak then??

Some would say so because i would love to punch you in the fucking face, it's wrong and i know it's wrong but my faith is not strong enough to keep me from wanting that. i fail to live up to what i should be may god forgive me.

it's not the belief in god that causes godly behavior.

Belief in god changes everything.

^^^ Which one is it??

both.

 

[zombie]

You see roots organic i don't seem to like your views on anything, me and you seem to be diametrically opposed not just on this topic but on everything.

You missed this:

In what way? Sweden, Norway and Denmark populations are all increasing. Unemployment is higher in Jamaica than it is in Sweden, Norway, or Denmark and in addition to that, all three countries are richer than Jamaica.

You irk my fucking nerves even your avatar pictures i don't like.

Not my fault.

The native populations of norway sweden and denmark are dying. the growth in those nations come from outsiders who often themselves come from religious nations. White people are a dying group partly because of atheism acceptance of abortions. white people are the vast majority of atheist and these are the people who are dying off.

^^^ That doesn't make any sense. Where are you getting your information from?

Of course those nations are richer than jamaica look at their fucking size, natural resource base and location there are many many reasons why those nations are richer than jamaica.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkot...d-europes-decline-its-the-birth-rates-stupid/

White Europe is in decline, you don't know this? IN FACT white people world wide are on a population decline.

most atheist are white that is common knowledge.

 

[Lot86]

@Lot86

Just because the majority of the past, especially a past in which strange things were believed to be true, believed something to be fact, does not make it so.

But since atheist are always attacking God, especially the God of Abraham which include Jews, Christians, Muslims, you guys are in the minority, and it's not even close in the slightest bit. Most people are with our beliefs, so we don't have to prove anything, its really on you guys to bring the definitive proof that God doesn't exist.

 

[Bodhi]

Some would say so because i would love to punch you in the fucking face, it's wrong and i know it's wrong but my faith is not strong enough to keep me from wanting that. i fail to live up to what i should be may god forgive me.

You should have known it was also wrong to curse and call me outside my name given that you have a book that instructs you to love your enemies yet you continued the act of typing out your frustration to insult me. Not only did you do it, but you thought it out since typing coherent sentences requires thought and concentration.

both.

It can't be both. You said it is not the belief in god that causes godly behavior (period). Before that, you said the belief in god changes everything. Everything was meant to include behavior since you were arguing that nonbelief causes moral chaos. Higher morality is cultivated by compassion and understanding towards others, which can be expressed with or without belief in god. Belief in god can only cause lower morality, which is morality expressed through obligation and fear of punishment.

 

[Bodhi]

White Europe is in decline, you don't know this? IN FACT white people world wide are on a population decline.

We're talking about Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, which have all been seeing population increases. Abortion was legalized in all three in the 60s and 70s and the populations have been increasing since then.

Also, given the state of the economy and individual situations, it would be more intelligent not to have children if you can't afford it rather than have children in a situation where you are unable to properly care for them. In addition to that, abortion is not the sole nor leading cause of population decline in either of the countries listed. In fact, Western Europe has one of the lowest abortion rates in the world.

Jamaica's fertility rates still falling
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Jamaica-s-fertility-rates-still-falling--mdash--UNFPA_13075354

There are also no figures to capture abortions performed in Jamaica, but the Board counts among its successes a fertility rate that continues to decline. The Registrar General's Department registered 41,956 births in 2009, and 42,346 the previous year.

"Jamaica's fertility rates have been declining since the 1970s. The total fertility rate of 2.4 children per woman in Jamaica for 2006-2008 is the lowest ever documented in the country. The median age at first birth was 21.2 years, slightly older than 20.7 years documented in 2002," said executive director of the Board Dr Sharlene Jarrett.