Why DON'T You Listen To Old School Hip Hop?

[bck145]

Rofl...

Fuck the Stones and any ass clown trying to big them up over Flash...

Foh...

Your right...a legendary band who still packs stadiums vs a group that most ppl can only name one song by....silly me

Word...

Comparing 2 different genres to belittle a hiphop pioneer...

Yeah you are silly...

Well if you followed along I didn't bring up the stones someone else did

And who gives a fuck who's getting belittled...the premise of the thread is why we don't listen to old hip hop...go back to my first post to answer that question

We on the same side but you sound dumb my dude

How so? Someone brought something up...I contributed and some people got their panties in a bunch

 

[5 Grand]

Rofl...

Fuck the Stones and any ass clown trying to big them up over Flash...

Foh...

Your right...a legendary band who still packs stadiums vs a group that most ppl can only name one song by....silly me

Word...

Comparing 2 different genres to belittle a hiphop pioneer...

Yeah you are silly...

Well if you followed along I didn't bring up the stones someone else did

And who gives a fuck who's getting belittled...the premise of the thread is why we don't listen to old hip hop...go back to my first post to answer that question

We on the same side but you sound dumb my dude

How so? Someone brought something up...I contributed and some people got their panties in a bunch

You just explained why white people should only get 3 posts per day on a Hip Hop board.

 

[bck145]

Rofl...

Fuck the Stones and any ass clown trying to big them up over Flash...

Foh...

Your right...a legendary band who still packs stadiums vs a group that most ppl can only name one song by....silly me

Word...

Comparing 2 different genres to belittle a hiphop pioneer...

Yeah you are silly...

Well if you followed along I didn't bring up the stones someone else did

And who gives a fuck who's getting belittled...the premise of the thread is why we don't listen to old hip hop...go back to my first post to answer that question

We on the same side but you sound dumb my dude

How so? Someone brought something up...I contributed and some people got their panties in a bunch

You just explained why white people should only get 3 posts per day on a Hip Hop board.

And you proved you shouldn't have posting capabilities

Your making arguments against what I said that are meaningless...like who invented something....last I knew this is a music site and we are comparing music...when you take a step back and do that....then the answer is clear

 

[zzombie]

Can we just flag this crackers post into Oblivion

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

This is dumb as fuck since rappers/personalities from previous eras like Bambaataa, Diddy, Mr Cee, Possibly KRS One, and many more old school niggas was sus as fuck.

 

[SneakDZA]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tend to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

 

[5th Letter]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tent to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

I understand the bold but those rock fans won't discredit Little Richard though that's the difference. These dudes would discredit those old school hip hop artists. Just say the music isn't for you and keep it moving no need for the disrespect that these dudes love to show to old school rappers.

 

[5 Grand]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tent to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

At least you wrote a coherent paragraph.

The thing is, there's a whole generation of people my age that FELL IN LOVE WITH HIP HOP in the early 80s. I can remember going to camp in the summer of 1984 and EVERYBODY knew the words to Sucker MCs.

I can remember when breakdancing was huge and we used to take turns doing backspins and headspins.

Hip Hop was huge in the early/mid 80s. It peaked around 1984 and then kinda died out. You didn't see it on TV as much and they stopped making movies(i.e. Krush Groove and Beat Street) but people my age still kept up with it. The whole movement resurfaced around 1988 with Yo! MTV Raps, The Source and Arsenio Hall.

Anyway, you'd have to be crazy to deny that the early Hip Hop songs are classics.

Spoonie G, The Treacherous 3, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, The Sugarhill Gang, T Ski Valley, Fearless Four, The Crash Crew, Spyder D, Funky 4+1, Cold Crush, Sequence. Those guys didn't make albums but they each have 2 or 3 classic singles. Out of all of those groups, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 have the deepest discography. They split up around 1984 and each faction made a few albums.

You really don't know anything about Hip Hop if your not familiar with those groups I just named. Seriously, a person without knowledge of his history is like a tree without roots.

Posting on a Hip Hop message board and not knowing anything about old school Hip Hop is pathetic.

Its sad that when I made this thread people responded by saying they listen to old school Hip Hop and then they listed Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and A Tribe Called Quest.

 

[5 Grand]

Here's a L.A. Sunshine freestyle from the early 80s. He's from the Treacherous 3.

L.A. Sunshine Freestyle


And here's a show from 1977, one of the first Hip Hop tapes

Grandwizard Theodore and Mene Gene - Live on 3rd Avenue - Ballroom part 1

 

[SneakDZA]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tent to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

I understand the bold but those rock fans won't discredit Little Richard though that's the difference. These dudes would discredit those old school hip hop artists. Just say the music isn't for you and keep it moving no need for the disrespect that these dudes love to show to old school rappers.

I agree with that but that's just them being little knuckleheads. I used to hate any music made before I was born just because I was an idiot but then I discovered Jimi Hendrix and The Doors. The difference is when I was a young self-absorbed kid adults had way better shit to worry about than how much I was limiting my musical exposure. I had to learn that lesson on my own.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tend to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

This is 100% what i said in the first page or so and i am glad someone else gets it. B.B., Berry, Buddy (holly and guy), Muddy, all set the groundwork for the legends of the late 60's and 70's to have the golden era of rock and blues. But even me someone who is huge into rock doesn't listen to Little Richard or Buddy Holly like that.

Same thing with R&B i own every Stevie Wonder album on CD,MP3, or FLAC Lossless. But i don't listen to that shit from the 50's before him and honestly i don't even listen to much of his pre teen and teenage albums. I bump his classic era shit from the 70's.

Rap niggas like 5Grandpa don't get this and think the early days of hip hop is some sort of golden age just because they were young back when that era started.

 

[BackInWhite]

Niggas in here whining and shit about discredit

Nobody is discrediting anything, just saying they don't listen to that shit

I haven't seen 1 post where somebody denies that these are originators of the genre

But 5 Grand in here talkin bout a Melle Mel song is perfect and no other song in the history of hip hop compares?

Nah

Not even possible

 

[5 Grand]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tend to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

This is 100% what i said in the first page or so and i am glad someone else gets it. B.B., Berry, Buddy (holly and guy), Muddy, all set the groundwork for the legends of the late 60's and 70's to have the golden era of rock and blues. But even me someone who is huge into rock doesn't listen to Little Richard or Buddy Holly like that.

Same thing with R&B i own every Stevie Wonder album on CD,MP3, or FLAC Lossless. But i don't listen to that shit from the 50's before him and honestly i don't even listen to much of his pre teen and teenage albums. I bump his classic era shit from the 70's.

Rap niggas like 5Grandpa don't get this and think the early days of hip hop is some sort of golden age just because they were young back when that era started.

If you don't listen to Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald and Ray Charles you don't know anything about music.

Seriously. if you've never heard God Bless The Child or A Night In Tunisia you should log off right now and go directly to Youtube.

I can name a handful of albums from the 50s and early 60s that are a must listen;

1. Bird and Diz - Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie (1952)

2. April in Paris - Charlie Parker (1957)

3. Birth of The Cool - Miles Davis (recorded in 1949/1950)

4. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1957)

5. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis (1957)

6. The Genius Of Ray Charles - Ray Charles (1959)

7. Genius + Soul = Jazz - Ray Charles (1961)

8. Loverman - Billie Holiday (1951)

9. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961)

10. Live at the 5 Spot - Thelonious Monk (1957)

^^^ Every music aficionado should have those albums in their collection. Anybody that says those albums and/or that style of music is inferior to modern music (or 70s music) is a complete idiot. Furthermore, anybody who says those albums don't have the sonic quality of modern music is an idiot.

 

[SneakDZA]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tend to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

This is 100% what i said in the first page or so and i am glad someone else gets it. B.B., Berry, Buddy (holly and guy), Muddy, all set the groundwork for the legends of the late 60's and 70's to have the golden era of rock and blues. But even me someone who is huge into rock doesn't listen to Little Richard or Buddy Holly like that.

Same thing with R&B i own every Stevie Wonder album on CD,MP3, or FLAC Lossless. But i don't listen to that shit from the 50's before him and honestly i don't even listen to much of his pre teen and teenage albums. I bump his classic era shit from the 70's.

Rap niggas like 5Grandpa don't get this and think the early days of hip hop is some sort of golden age just because they were young back when that era started.

If you don't listen to Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald and Ray Charles you don't know anything about music.

Seriously. if you've never heard God Bless The Child or A Night In Tunisia you should log off right now and go directly to Youtube.

I can name a handful of albums from the 50s and early 60s that are a must listen;

1. Bird and Diz - Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie (1952)

2. April in Paris - Charlie Parker (1957)

3. Birth of The Cool - Miles Davis (recorded in 1949/1950)

4. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1957)

5. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis (1957)

6. The Genius Of Ray Charles - Ray Charles (1959)

7. Genius + Soul = Jazz - Ray Charles (1961)

8. Loverman - Billie Holiday (1951)

9. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961)

10. Live at the 5 Spot - Thelonious Monk (1957)

^^^ Every music aficionado should have those albums in their collection. Anybody that says those albums and/or that style of music is inferior to modern music (or 70s music) is a complete idiot. Furthermore, anybody who says those albums don't have the sonic quality of modern music is an idiot.

But here's the thing that you don't seem to get... all of those 10 albums - All of them - are in a whole different stratosphere than anything Furious Five ever did. They aren't great albums just because they're older... they're great albums because they transcend time entirely. This is the same reason I could put Illmatic on that list but not Spoonin' Rap or Do the Pee Wee Herman.

If there were recordings of the earliest Jazz songs they would be cool and all until you heard Miles Davis or John Coltrane and then they would still be cool but I bet you wouldn't have that shit in your top 10 anymore.

 

[5 Grand]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tend to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

This is 100% what i said in the first page or so and i am glad someone else gets it. B.B., Berry, Buddy (holly and guy), Muddy, all set the groundwork for the legends of the late 60's and 70's to have the golden era of rock and blues. But even me someone who is huge into rock doesn't listen to Little Richard or Buddy Holly like that.

Same thing with R&B i own every Stevie Wonder album on CD,MP3, or FLAC Lossless. But i don't listen to that shit from the 50's before him and honestly i don't even listen to much of his pre teen and teenage albums. I bump his classic era shit from the 70's.

Rap niggas like 5Grandpa don't get this and think the early days of hip hop is some sort of golden age just because they were young back when that era started.

If you don't listen to Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald and Ray Charles you don't know anything about music.

Seriously. if you've never heard God Bless The Child or A Night In Tunisia you should log off right now and go directly to Youtube.

I can name a handful of albums from the 50s and early 60s that are a must listen;

1. Bird and Diz - Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie (1952)

2. April in Paris - Charlie Parker (1957)

3. Birth of The Cool - Miles Davis (recorded in 1949/1950)

4. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1957)

5. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis (1957)

6. The Genius Of Ray Charles - Ray Charles (1959)

7. Genius + Soul = Jazz - Ray Charles (1961)

8. Loverman - Billie Holiday (1951)

9. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961)

10. Live at the 5 Spot - Thelonious Monk (1957)

^^^ Every music aficionado should have those albums in their collection. Anybody that says those albums and/or that style of music is inferior to modern music (or 70s music) is a complete idiot. Furthermore, anybody who says those albums don't have the sonic quality of modern music is an idiot.

But here's the thing that you don't seem to get... all of those 10 albums - All of them - are in a whole different stratosphere than anything Furious Five ever did. They aren't great albums just because they're older... they're great albums because they transcend time entirely. This is the same reason I could put Illmatic on that list but not Spoonin' Rap or Do the Pee Wee Herman.

If there were recordings of the earliest Jazz songs they would be cool and all until you heard Miles Davis or John Coltrane and then they would still be cool but I bet you wouldn't have that shit in your top 10 anymore.

You said that people who listen to rock listen to The Stones and Pink Floyd but they don't listen to Buddy Holly and Little Richard.

I'm saying that if you are a cultured person with good taste you'd listen to Ray Charles, Miles Davis and Billie Holiday.

Likewise if you have any taste in Hip Hop you should listen to the following albums;

^^^ Bottom line, if you're not hip to the material on those albums you don't know anything about Hip Hop. And if you don't like that style of rap the you have shitty taste.

Go listen to some mumble rap!!!

 

[O.G.]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tend to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

This is 100% what i said in the first page or so and i am glad someone else gets it. B.B., Berry, Buddy (holly and guy), Muddy, all set the groundwork for the legends of the late 60's and 70's to have the golden era of rock and blues. But even me someone who is huge into rock doesn't listen to Little Richard or Buddy Holly like that.

Same thing with R&B i own every Stevie Wonder album on CD,MP3, or FLAC Lossless. But i don't listen to that shit from the 50's before him and honestly i don't even listen to much of his pre teen and teenage albums. I bump his classic era shit from the 70's.

Rap niggas like 5Grandpa don't get this and think the early days of hip hop is some sort of golden age just because they were young back when that era started.

If you don't listen to Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald and Ray Charles you don't know anything about music.

Seriously. if you've never heard God Bless The Child or A Night In Tunisia you should log off right now and go directly to Youtube.

I can name a handful of albums from the 50s and early 60s that are a must listen;

1. Bird and Diz - Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie (1952)

2. April in Paris - Charlie Parker (1957)

3. Birth of The Cool - Miles Davis (recorded in 1949/1950)

4. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1957)

5. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis (1957)

6. The Genius Of Ray Charles - Ray Charles (1959)

7. Genius + Soul = Jazz - Ray Charles (1961)

8. Loverman - Billie Holiday (1951)

9. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961)

10. Live at the 5 Spot - Thelonious Monk (1957)

^^^ Every music aficionado should have those albums in their collection. Anybody that says those albums and/or that style of music is inferior to modern music (or 70s music) is a complete idiot. Furthermore, anybody who says those albums don't have the sonic quality of modern music is an idiot.

But here's the thing that you don't seem to get... all of those 10 albums - All of them - are in a whole different stratosphere than anything Furious Five ever did. They aren't great albums just because they're older... they're great albums because they transcend time entirely. This is the same reason I could put Illmatic on that list but not Spoonin' Rap or Do the Pee Wee Herman.

If there were recordings of the earliest Jazz songs they would be cool and all until you heard Miles Davis or John Coltrane and then they would still be cool but I bet you wouldn't have that shit in your top 10 anymore.

You said that people who listen to rock listen to The Stones and Pink Floyd but they don't listen to Buddy Holly and Little Richard.

I'm saying that if you are a cultured person with good taste you'd listen to Ray Charles, Miles Davis and Billie Holiday.

Likewise if you have any taste in Hip Hop you should listen to the following albums;

^^^ Bottom line, if you're not hip to the material on those albums you don't know anything about Hip Hop. And if you don't like that style of rap the you have shitty taste.

Go listen to some mumble rap!!!

Statements like this is why nobody takes you serious.

You are basically telling people that if they don't worship the Model T and know everything about it that they don't know shit about cars and the one they are driving now is shitty.

 

[rip.dilla]

Yo this thread's hilarious...

But on the real I wouldn't mind listening to those albums @"5 Grand" dropped but probably when I'm exceedingly high or with fuck all to do...

 

[Idiopathic Joker]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tend to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

This is 100% what i said in the first page or so and i am glad someone else gets it. B.B., Berry, Buddy (holly and guy), Muddy, all set the groundwork for the legends of the late 60's and 70's to have the golden era of rock and blues. But even me someone who is huge into rock doesn't listen to Little Richard or Buddy Holly like that.

Same thing with R&B i own every Stevie Wonder album on CD,MP3, or FLAC Lossless. But i don't listen to that shit from the 50's before him and honestly i don't even listen to much of his pre teen and teenage albums. I bump his classic era shit from the 70's.

Rap niggas like 5Grandpa don't get this and think the early days of hip hop is some sort of golden age just because they were young back when that era started.

If you don't listen to Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald and Ray Charles you don't know anything about music.

Seriously. if you've never heard God Bless The Child or A Night In Tunisia you should log off right now and go directly to Youtube.

I can name a handful of albums from the 50s and early 60s that are a must listen;

1. Bird and Diz - Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie (1952)

2. April in Paris - Charlie Parker (1957)

3. Birth of The Cool - Miles Davis (recorded in 1949/1950)

4. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1957)

5. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis (1957)

6. The Genius Of Ray Charles - Ray Charles (1959)

7. Genius + Soul = Jazz - Ray Charles (1961)

8. Loverman - Billie Holiday (1951)

9. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961)

10. Live at the 5 Spot - Thelonious Monk (1957)

^^^ Every music aficionado should have those albums in their collection. Anybody that says those albums and/or that style of music is inferior to modern music (or 70s music) is a complete idiot. Furthermore, anybody who says those albums don't have the sonic quality of modern music is an idiot.

But here's the thing that you don't seem to get... all of those 10 albums - All of them - are in a whole different stratosphere than anything Furious Five ever did. They aren't great albums just because they're older... they're great albums because they transcend time entirely. This is the same reason I could put Illmatic on that list but not Spoonin' Rap or Do the Pee Wee Herman.

If there were recordings of the earliest Jazz songs they would be cool and all until you heard Miles Davis or John Coltrane and then they would still be cool but I bet you wouldn't have that shit in your top 10 anymore.

You said that people who listen to rock listen to The Stones and Pink Floyd but they don't listen to Buddy Holly and Little Richard.

I'm saying that if you are a cultured person with good taste you'd listen to Ray Charles, Miles Davis and Billie Holiday.

Likewise if you have any taste in Hip Hop you should listen to the following albums;

^^^ Bottom line, if you're not hip to the material on those albums you don't know anything about Hip Hop. And if you don't like that style of rap the you have shitty taste.

Go listen to some mumble rap!!!

"If it wasn't for me, where the fuck you be?

Rapping like the treacherous 3

Fucking cowards."

 

[5 Grand]

How can you not like this?

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

here's the thing...

somebody into rock in general will probably appreciate Hendrix, The Stones, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin just like people into hip hop can appreciate Scarface, Nas, Tribe, PE and so on.

But those rock people aren't likely listening to Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard or Rosetta Tharpe just like hip-hop fans aren't listening to Rapper's delight over and over.

It's partly because things have changed so much that those artists are basically a whole different genre and also because a lot of that stuff was really rough around the edges just like any beta version of a new invention. Then you gotta add on top of all that that a lot of people have heard all that music in the background a zillion times already growing up and it's just not fresh or exciting. Finally, people tend to hold on to the music that resonated with them when they were adolescents and teens and that shit probably wasn't for them at that time.

Not to mention nobody has time to hear a guy rap over a disco beat with made-up words for 8 minutes anymore.

This is 100% what i said in the first page or so and i am glad someone else gets it. B.B., Berry, Buddy (holly and guy), Muddy, all set the groundwork for the legends of the late 60's and 70's to have the golden era of rock and blues. But even me someone who is huge into rock doesn't listen to Little Richard or Buddy Holly like that.

Same thing with R&B i own every Stevie Wonder album on CD,MP3, or FLAC Lossless. But i don't listen to that shit from the 50's before him and honestly i don't even listen to much of his pre teen and teenage albums. I bump his classic era shit from the 70's.

Rap niggas like 5Grandpa don't get this and think the early days of hip hop is some sort of golden age just because they were young back when that era started.

If you don't listen to Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald and Ray Charles you don't know anything about music.

Seriously. if you've never heard God Bless The Child or A Night In Tunisia you should log off right now and go directly to Youtube.

I can name a handful of albums from the 50s and early 60s that are a must listen;

1. Bird and Diz - Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie (1952)

2. April in Paris - Charlie Parker (1957)

3. Birth of The Cool - Miles Davis (recorded in 1949/1950)

4. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1957)

5. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis (1957)

6. The Genius Of Ray Charles - Ray Charles (1959)

7. Genius + Soul = Jazz - Ray Charles (1961)

8. Loverman - Billie Holiday (1951)

9. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961)

10. Live at the 5 Spot - Thelonious Monk (1957)

^^^ Every music aficionado should have those albums in their collection. Anybody that says those albums and/or that style of music is inferior to modern music (or 70s music) is a complete idiot. Furthermore, anybody who says those albums don't have the sonic quality of modern music is an idiot.

Nigga miles davis and dizzy are not equal to grandmaster fucking flash lmaooo. Before they changed the game there were forefathers of various types of music that built the foundation for jazz. Not to mention these legends were world class musicians same with Ray Charles who you mentioned. They were part of the golden ages of their type of music.

Look i respect the forefathers of hip hop. I just don't frequently bump that shit for the first years of rap. And i would rather be honest about it than be a poser pretending i listen to all these old ass niggas just to be cool.