Why DON'T You Listen To Old School Hip Hop?

[BenjaminE]

"In music, sampling is the act of taking a portion, or sample, of one sound recording and reusing it as an instrument or a sound recording in a different song or piece."

Which is what Sugarhill Gang did. Weather a band played it live while they were recording the song or they got straight from the record, it's a sample.

A cover would have been them(Sugarhill Gang) ACTUALLY performing Good Time's.

You're wrong but I'm not going to argue with you.

Faggots argue.

 

[AggieLean.]

You just forgot those leather outfits and tight ass clothes these niggas used to wear in the 80s?

Nigga got on a bud light suit lol

 

[huey]

I have heard both of those Joplin songs and learned about him in a history of music class (more macro level not micro level). I think there are 2 things that you are missing from what i am saying.

1. I respect the legends. Even though i don't listen to much of what you consider old school rap i respect what they did to pave the way.

2. Hip hop is far difference from other music that includes live instruments/lyrics. Jazz, blues, rock and r&b have more depth talent and innovation than early rap music will every have which is based on samples and the beginnings of 20th century rap.

I can listen to early 1900s jazz and be amazing and the live improvision style and tone. Same with the blues and even going back to the the Joplin ragtime shit. So much more musical depth due to the combinations of both hands of the piano or layers of instrumentation.

But early rap while genus and the groundwork for the genre is composed of samples and cuts of live jazz or blues along with early elementary rap. Some of it is smooth but a lot of it is corny and cheesy. now it paved the way but isn't as intriguing as early 20th century jazz in my opinion. You can't cross compare early music genres based more on live instruments equally with the birth of hip hop which deals with the art of sampling and rhyming. Now Q-tip and tribe do it great. But to me the earlier shit hasn't aged well.

You don't know what you're talking about. Early Hip Hop wasn't based on sampling. When Hip Hop first started it was backed by a DJ. The DJ used to use two copies of the same record and repeat the break. That's not sampling.

When they first started making records the songs were backed by bands. They used professional session musicians (especially the stuff on Sugarhill). Some early rap songs even had a horn section.

Recording a break from another record is not sampling?

Sampling requires, well, a sampler. A sampler is a digital "computer" for lack of a better word. It digitally records the music EXACTLY as it was played. Then you can manipulate the sample by speeding it up, slowing it down or filtering out the high end or filtering out the low end.

The first rap song that used a sample was If I Ruled The World by Kurtis Blow (1985). It sampled the drums from Pump It Up by Trouble Funk. Some of the earliest songs with samples were Eric B Is President by Eric B and Rakim, South Bronx by Boogie Down Productions and Make The Music With Your Mouth Biz by Biz Markie.

An interesting note is that Marley Marl was one of the first Hip Hop producers to sample. He was trying to sample the bassline from Impeach The President by The Honeydrippers and accidentally sampled the snare drum. Thats when he realized you could sample a kick and a snare from another record and create your own drumbeat. The Bridge by MC Shan was basically the kick and the snare from Impeach The President replayed.

Anyway, the early rap records from 1979-1982 weren't samples, they had a house band replay the music. Basically they were covers.

I have heard both of those Joplin songs and learned about him in a history of music class (more macro level not micro level). I think there are 2 things that you are missing from what i am saying.

1. I respect the legends. Even though i don't listen to much of what you consider old school rap i respect what they did to pave the way.

2. Hip hop is far difference from other music that includes live instruments/lyrics. Jazz, blues, rock and r&b have more depth talent and innovation than early rap music will every have which is based on samples and the beginnings of 20th century rap.

I can listen to early 1900s jazz and be amazing and the live improvision style and tone. Same with the blues and even going back to the the Joplin ragtime shit. So much more musical depth due to the combinations of both hands of the piano or layers of instrumentation.

But early rap while genus and the groundwork for the genre is composed of samples and cuts of live jazz or blues along with early elementary rap. Some of it is smooth but a lot of it is corny and cheesy. now it paved the way but isn't as intriguing as early 20th century jazz in my opinion. You can't cross compare early music genres based more on live instruments equally with the birth of hip hop which deals with the art of sampling and rhyming. Now Q-tip and tribe do it great. But to me the earlier shit hasn't aged well.

You don't know what you're talking about. Early Hip Hop wasn't based on sampling. When Hip Hop first started it was backed by a DJ. The DJ used to use two copies of the same record and repeat the break. That's not sampling.

When they first started making records the songs were backed by bands. They used professional session musicians (especially the stuff on Sugarhill). Some early rap songs even had a horn section.

Nigga Rappers Delight was a sample.

Rappers Delight wasn't a sample. They replayed the break with a band.

A little piece of trivia, The Fairlight CMI was basically the first commercially available samplers. The first commercial pop song (not rap) to use a sample with the Fairlight CMI was Owner of A Lonely Heart by the band Yes.

Owner Of A Lonely Heart - Yes (1983)

Damn. All this typing and you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Mockingbird]

Because it's so boring and old skool rappers can't do a hook to save their life. Their production is also dull and very bland. And the ones that do have substance don't execute it in a way that is engaging at all. They execute the message in a really boring way. It also sounds very out dated

Lacks soul

 

[Lincoln]

I listen to "Jam On It" by Newcleus at least 4-5 times a week.

 

[konceptjones]

I have heard both of those Joplin songs and learned about him in a history of music class (more macro level not micro level). I think there are 2 things that you are missing from what i am saying.

1. I respect the legends. Even though i don't listen to much of what you consider old school rap i respect what they did to pave the way.

2. Hip hop is far difference from other music that includes live instruments/lyrics. Jazz, blues, rock and r&b have more depth talent and innovation than early rap music will every have which is based on samples and the beginnings of 20th century rap.

I can listen to early 1900s jazz and be amazing and the live improvision style and tone. Same with the blues and even going back to the the Joplin ragtime shit. So much more musical depth due to the combinations of both hands of the piano or layers of instrumentation.

But early rap while genus and the groundwork for the genre is composed of samples and cuts of live jazz or blues along with early elementary rap. Some of it is smooth but a lot of it is corny and cheesy. now it paved the way but isn't as intriguing as early 20th century jazz in my opinion. You can't cross compare early music genres based more on live instruments equally with the birth of hip hop which deals with the art of sampling and rhyming. Now Q-tip and tribe do it great. But to me the earlier shit hasn't aged well.

You don't know what you're talking about. Early Hip Hop wasn't based on sampling. When Hip Hop first started it was backed by a DJ. The DJ used to use two copies of the same record and repeat the break. That's not sampling.

When they first started making records the songs were backed by bands. They used professional session musicians (especially the stuff on Sugarhill). Some early rap songs even had a horn section.

Recording a break from another record is not sampling?

old hip hop wasn't made by recording the breaks, it was done by juggling breaks between two turntables.

 

[konceptjones]

I listen to "Jam On It" by Newcleus at least 4-5 times a week.

Jam On Revenge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[konceptjones]

Because it's so boring and old skool rappers can't do a hook to save their life. Their production is also dull and very bland. And the ones that do have substance don't execute it in a way that is engaging at all. They execute the message in a really boring way. It also sounds very out dated

Lacks soul

It's a testament to the music. They didn't need a hook, shit was good without it.

It's interesting to note that "hooks", or properly a "chorus", that you hear today didn't really come into use until the very late 90's/early 2000's and even then very few cats used them. Back in the day if it wasn't the MC spittin the name of the song, it was a sample playing, not this extra verse style of chorus you hear now.

Sample for the chorus


name of the song for the chorus


Take it back further into the "golden age" and the chorus was typically the spot for the DJ to flex

 

[konceptjones]

I have heard both of those Joplin songs and learned about him in a history of music class (more macro level not micro level). I think there are 2 things that you are missing from what i am saying.

1. I respect the legends. Even though i don't listen to much of what you consider old school rap i respect what they did to pave the way.

2. Hip hop is far difference from other music that includes live instruments/lyrics. Jazz, blues, rock and r&b have more depth talent and innovation than early rap music will every have which is based on samples and the beginnings of 20th century rap.

I can listen to early 1900s jazz and be amazing and the live improvision style and tone. Same with the blues and even going back to the the Joplin ragtime shit. So much more musical depth due to the combinations of both hands of the piano or layers of instrumentation.

But early rap while genus and the groundwork for the genre is composed of samples and cuts of live jazz or blues along with early elementary rap. Some of it is smooth but a lot of it is corny and cheesy. now it paved the way but isn't as intriguing as early 20th century jazz in my opinion. You can't cross compare early music genres based more on live instruments equally with the birth of hip hop which deals with the art of sampling and rhyming. Now Q-tip and tribe do it great. But to me the earlier shit hasn't aged well.

You don't know what you're talking about. Early Hip Hop wasn't based on sampling. When Hip Hop first started it was backed by a DJ. The DJ used to use two copies of the same record and repeat the break. That's not sampling.

When they first started making records the songs were backed by bands. They used professional session musicians (especially the stuff on Sugarhill). Some early rap songs even had a horn section.

Recording a break from another record is not sampling?

Sampling requires, well, a sampler. A sampler is a digital "computer" for lack of a better word. It digitally records the music EXACTLY as it was played. Then you can manipulate the sample by speeding it up, slowing it down or filtering out the high end or filtering out the low end.

The first rap song that used a sample was If I Ruled The World by Kurtis Blow (1985). It sampled the drums from Pump It Up by Trouble Funk. Some of the earliest songs with samples were Eric B Is President by Eric B and Rakim, South Bronx by Boogie Down Productions and Make The Music With Your Mouth Biz by Biz Markie.

An interesting note is that Marley Marl was one of the first Hip Hop producers to sample. He was trying to sample the bassline from Impeach The President by The Honeydrippers and accidentally sampled the snare drum. Thats when he realized you could sample a kick and a snare from another record and create your own drumbeat. The Bridge by MC Shan was basically the kick and the snare from Impeach The President replayed.

Anyway, the early rap records from 1979-1982 weren't samples, they had a house band replay the music. Basically they were covers.

I have heard both of those Joplin songs and learned about him in a history of music class (more macro level not micro level). I think there are 2 things that you are missing from what i am saying.

1. I respect the legends. Even though i don't listen to much of what you consider old school rap i respect what they did to pave the way.

2. Hip hop is far difference from other music that includes live instruments/lyrics. Jazz, blues, rock and r&b have more depth talent and innovation than early rap music will every have which is based on samples and the beginnings of 20th century rap.

I can listen to early 1900s jazz and be amazing and the live improvision style and tone. Same with the blues and even going back to the the Joplin ragtime shit. So much more musical depth due to the combinations of both hands of the piano or layers of instrumentation.

But early rap while genus and the groundwork for the genre is composed of samples and cuts of live jazz or blues along with early elementary rap. Some of it is smooth but a lot of it is corny and cheesy. now it paved the way but isn't as intriguing as early 20th century jazz in my opinion. You can't cross compare early music genres based more on live instruments equally with the birth of hip hop which deals with the art of sampling and rhyming. Now Q-tip and tribe do it great. But to me the earlier shit hasn't aged well.

You don't know what you're talking about. Early Hip Hop wasn't based on sampling. When Hip Hop first started it was backed by a DJ. The DJ used to use two copies of the same record and repeat the break. That's not sampling.

When they first started making records the songs were backed by bands. They used professional session musicians (especially the stuff on Sugarhill). Some early rap songs even had a horn section.

Nigga Rappers Delight was a sample.

Rappers Delight wasn't a sample. They replayed the break with a band.



A little piece of trivia, The Fairlight CMI was basically the first commercially available samplers. The first commercial pop song (not rap) to use a sample with the Fairlight CMI was Owner of A Lonely Heart by the band Yes.

Owner Of A Lonely Heart - Yes (1983)

"In music, sampling is the act of taking a portion, or sample, of one sound recording and reusing it as an instrument or a sound recording in a different song or piece."

Which is what Sugarhill Gang did. Weather a band played it live while they were recording the song or they got straight from the record, it's a sample.

A cover would have been them(Sugarhill Gang) ACTUALLY performing Good Time's.

Clearly you know nothing about music production or music law.

What's missing from your quote is that sampling requires a *sampler* or digital recorder that performs in a manner similar to a sampler to accomplish it and, as your quote speaks to in a way, it must be of the original recording.

If you have session musicians recreating a piece, you're doing an interpolation of that piece which is typically done these days to avoid clearance issues created when you sample (a sample can be denied clearance whereas an interpolation is always granted a license as long as the composer of the piece is credited). Jermaine Dupree and Dr Dre built their 90's careers out of interpolating songs instead of sampling.

From a legal standpoint that's the difference between an interpolation and a sample: A sample can be denied clearance because it's a digital copy of an original recording whereas an interpolation is automatically granted a license so long as the original composer is credited.

What happened on Rappers Delight was the band did an interpolation of parts of Chic's "Good Times" and almost got sued for it 'cause they didn't credit Bernie Edwards and Nile Rodgers who composed the music for "Good Times".

 

[MECCA1000]

Because it's so boring and old skool rappers can't do a hook to save their life. Their production is also dull and very bland. And the ones that do have substance don't execute it in a way that is engaging at all. They execute the message in a really boring way. It also sounds very out dated

Lacks soul

You're speaking as if the records were made yesterday ........ you have to appreciate them for the year and atmosphere of the time .......

It may be difficult for young cats to put it all in perspective because of the had to be there factor and how much hip hop has changed/changes

 

[trendsetta1030]

I'm not goin under 94 got remember is a new generation some grew up listening 2 wutang mobbdeep ugk goodie mobb and such but now this generation grew up on Wayne dipset d block g unit state prop ti trill music scrappy an em