Why Do Both Religious and Nonreligious People...

[ThaChozenWun]

Because things like Volcanoes, Earthquakes, tsunamis, the plagues. These are things that people couldnt understand in early human life. These things were so massive and were so mysterious to people that they thought it could only be the work of someone with a much higher power. The God thing comes from this, and over time God has been claimed to do more and more, if the early humans couldnt explain something then it was the work of a god or gods no questions asked. Now with the technology we have and an understanding of how things work, we know it isnt God shaking the earth, causing tsunamis, creating the plague, etc... its part of life, its part of the Earth. We know now God isnt doing things but its a common part of nature for these things to occur. If the ancient people had knowledge and techniques we have now with science IMO there would still be a God somewhere, but alot more things would be left out mainly the creation of Earth and the Solar system. Sure God may have been the man who acually created the big bang, but its sure the Earth and all on thats on it was not built in 6 days, and the time period the bible sets is no where close to the Earths acual age.

 

[And Step]

Because neithers knowledge is absolute and rather than admit they don't know and try to find the truth, they rely on the abritary fill in the blanks with bullshit methodology.

That would take humility, which both sides lack.

True Science and True Religion are one and the same. I am not talking symbolic fairytales. I am talking a disciplined, orderly and progressive lifestyle(religion). Scientist study and experiment with lab animals to try to find out how to best preserve and extend the quality of life of human beings. In short, they are trying different religions on these animals to see which one is superior. Scientists are very religious, ironically. In fact they are more religious than the average church goer. Not in a dogmatic way but in a serious scientific way.

If your religion can't be found in the universal order of things then it can not be the true religion of God.

Good question, Purecomp.

 

[purecomp]

Because things like Volcanoes, Earthquakes, tsunamis, the plagues. These are things that people couldnt understand in early human life. These things were so massive and were so mysterious to people that they thought it could only be the work of someone with a much higher power. The God thing comes from this, and over time God has been claimed to do more and more, if the early humans couldnt explain something then it was the work of a god or gods no questions asked. Now with the technology we have and an understanding of how things work, we know it isnt God shaking the earth, causing tsunamis, creating the plague, etc... its part of life, its part of the Earth. We know now God isnt doing things but its a common part of nature for these things to occur. If the ancient people had knowledge and techniques we have now with science IMO there would still be a God somewhere, but alot more things would be left out mainly the creation of Earth and the Solar system. Sure God may have been the man who acually created the big bang, but its sure the Earth and all on thats on it was not built in 6 days, and the time period the bible sets is no where close to the Earths acual age.

I feel you. The division of belief on Earth is what is fuckin us up. If people just try to connect the dots and look at both sides without bias, then a lot of this bickering wouldn't even be going down. I honestly believe that God is lookin at us and shaking His head thinkin "they just don't get it yet". This thing is so much bigger than us but we'd rather fight with each other over something that probably isn't even that important. I believe God made the Earth and the universe with the ability to sustain itself and for nature (which is alive) to react to us and the things we do.

 

[tri3w]

...act like it's impossible for God to use His creation NATURALLY instead of only stepping outside of the laws of the universe that He made? I find it retarded for one to think that when people find natural explanations for "miracles" that it goes against God. Why can't people try to connect the two instead of causing a divide between the public? For instance, if the eruption at Santorini was the cause for the 10 plagues of Exodus, how does that go against God? He created everything, so why wouldn't He use it for His agenda? Instead of assuming that God only works outside of the laws of the universe, why can't we just look at it as if He, for lack of better word, manipulated them?

People dont really understanding anything, Science and Religon DOnt Clash with each other, only when people Hide the truth and Manpiulate it for thier on reasons

 

[The GMW]

Better question is... if there is a natural and scientific explanation for something... why assume that there is a god behind it? If a natural explanation stands on its own two legs, the idea of a "god" being behind it becomes a third leg... unnecessary and unhelpful.

 

[TX_Made713]

...act like it's impossible for God to use His creation NATURALLY instead of only stepping outside of the laws of the universe that He made? I find it retarded for one to think that when people find natural explanations for "miracles" that it goes against God. Why can't people try to connect the two instead of causing a divide between the public? For instance, if the eruption at Santorini was the cause for the 10 plagues of Exodus, how does that go against God? He created everything, so why wouldn't He use it for His agenda? Instead of assuming that God only works outside of the laws of the universe, why can't we just look at it as if He, for lack of better word, manipulated them?

the universe is anything but natural bro....there are forces out there that exceed the laws of anything in existence

 

[ThaChozenWun]

the universe is anything but natural bro....there are forces out there that exceed the laws of anything in existence

That is for now, we havent really been able to explore the universe and wont be able to for a long time if ever. Things will seem to be only the work of a superbeing if we dont understand them. Like old Earthquakes, rain, tsunamis, tornadoes, floods, were all thought to be the work of god, once we got to the point we could study and test theories on them. We have proven they are natural occurences and the same could be said for space, if we are given the oppurtunity to observe, study, set hypothesis, and prove them right or wrong they may not then seem all so super natural. I hope Im alive to see us to some of this would make my verdict on god that much easier.

 

[And Step]

the universe is anything but natural bro....there are forces out there that exceed the laws of anything in existence

Not exactly my friend. They may exceed your ability to know and understand. But in all creation there are layers of laws. If it exist it is a law.

 

[TX_Made713]

Not exactly my friend. They may exceed your ability to know and understand. But in all creation there are layers of laws. If it exist it is a law.

so your saying god follows laws

 

[And Step]

so your saying god follows laws

Of course. He is in harmony with the laws he created.

Operating from a higher level no doubt.

You as a human being operated under strict law from your parents to prevent you from harming urself. As you got older and more control of yourself, you didn't need certain restrictions anymore. You moved under a higher law.

Figure the rest.............

 

[TX_Made713]

Of course. He is in harmony with the laws he created.

Operating from a higher level no doubt.

You as a human being operated under strict law from your parents to prevent you from harming urself. As you got older and more control of yourself, you didn't need certain restrictions anymore. You moved under a higher law.

Figure the rest.............

apparently you didnt get it so ill reword the question. are there any laws over god that he has to follow?

if you create a law you dont have to follow it so that dont count

 

[And Step]

apparently you didnt get it so ill reword the question. are there any laws over god that he has to follow?

if you create a law you dont have to follow it so that dont count

Obviously you don't get it. There is no law over him. The law emanates from him. He is the Law. He can't contradict himself.

That's like saying Congress enacts legislation but they don't have to follow it. WHEREDEYDODATAT?

Unless your Dick Cheney.

You need to go to church, synagogue, temple, mosque or something.

 

[TX_Made713]

Obviously you don't get it. There is no law over him. The law emanates from him. He is the Law. He can't contradict himself.

the bible seems to make it look like he does a fine job of that.

how can there be no laws over him, to have an after there has to be a before. to have a created, there has to be a creator..god exists so clearly by the law you speak of he has to have a creator...or do u just assume he doesn't cause the bible says so

 

[And Step]

the bible seems to make it look like he does a fine job of that.

how can there be no laws over him, to have an after there has to be a before. to have a created, there has to be a creator..god exists so clearly by the law you speak of he has to have a creator...or do u just assume he doesn't cause the bible says so

This has nothing to do with the Bible.

He does have a creator. Himself. He is self created. Otherwise he wouldn't be the Creator.

You make too many assumptions. I am three steps ahead of junior.

 

[TX_Made713]

I caught an STD this weekend from a church girl

Post proof outside the bible god created himself

 

[And Step]

Post proof outside the bible god created himself

If he is Creator then it is self explanatory.

What proof would you acccept?

 

[theillestrator]

There seems to be too many strings needed to keep the god puppet alive.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

There seems to be too many strings needed to keep the god puppet alive.

They say he can do anything so no matter what flaw someone points out, it doesnt matter he can do anything so nothing is impossible or a flaw for real. Once someone has it in their head there is a God, you cant argue because thats how it is, no matter what he can do it so nothing anyone says will disprove it.

 

[kingjust627]

He does have a creator. Himself. He is self created. Otherwise he wouldn't be the Creator.

Wouldn't that be something coming from nothing, which is a tenent that most religions are in disagreement with? That's contradictory because it is fair to assume there was nothing before your god, then poof something came from that nothing and he was that nothing that made him into something??? Dude, that is the biggest pipe dream I've ever heard.

 

[Rock_Well]

In response to the topic of this thread, i was trying to tell a friend of mine about this not too long ago.

We had a disagreement, as usual, because he often takes the position of one that says the Bible must agree with him for it to be right. This time his position was one that says miracles happen everyday. I pointed out to him, 'miracles', by the Bible's definition, no longer occur, but i also let him know i know what he means to say. The disagreement came in from definition he was giving to the word miracle.

Anyway, my point was, as i was telling him, God is no less God just because he doesn't use a supernatural means to accomplish His will anymore. His will is still done anyways. A lot of God's will is done through a quite natural means.

It just bothers me sometimes when people want to make God the necessary cause for some of the things happening on earth. Even things that are a wonder, like a woman surviving a severe car wreck. Why is God's hand necessarily, directly involved in the outcome of that event? God designed the world where pure chance can happen. Therefore, we can only suspect, not say for sure, God was involved. The simple fact is, a lot of what God does behind the scenes is seldom witnessed by men at all anyways. So none of us can say for sure how God is directing affairs of the world other than what's been revealed to us in His word.