Who Do You Think Made The Bigger Impact Of Their Own Genre: Kurt Cobain or Tupac Shakur

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Tommy bilfiger;4582169 said:
Ok 2 plat albums and 1 gold thuglife was a compilation album

he still died broke and according to what u posted sold about 5 million albums while alive

Lmao thats the "Goat" even tho he didnt sell 95% of his records until after he got clapped in vegas

It took his debut 4 years to go gold and his 2nd album 2 years to go plat Nuff said

just take the "L" and let it go...pac is still makeing move whill dead! he's about to go on tour from the grave out chea cuz
 
Lab Baby;4582315 said:
Ms. Sweeetface;4582280 said:
Lab Baby;4582264 said:
Nevermind's impact on rock>>>>>>any Pac album's impact on hip hop

This is a hip hop forum, so Kurt might mostly get shitted on here.

Not at all...while some of these Rappers sampling some of his music. IJS

True... but Nirvana started a whole genre... and countless bands were inspired by Nirvana, even when Kurt was alive.

Anyone who knows Tori Amos knows she's kind of a big deal... this would be equivalent to Rakim sampling a local cat's song


they didnt "start" shit
 
As far a MUSICALLY.....Cobain/Nirvana are far more influential.

Nirvana helped change the music scape for Rock music. Tupac hasn't progressed rap MUSIC much at all. Yeah, Tupac may have been on top of the rap scene...but what does that mean?
 
to be honest I can't really see how its debatable...Nirvana didn't invent grunge but they sure as fuck redefined it...made it more melodic...brilliant lyrics...Cobain is undoubtedly a huge influence in grunge and one of its leading artists in terms of music and legend...2Pac didn't really revolutionise rap in anyway...he didn't popularise a style of writin' or instrumentals...apart from makin' it more acceptable to be a thug, what did he really do to be in the same category as Cobain?...and there was already a buncha niggas doin' that (like the West Coast GOAT Cube)...And, from what I can gather, Cobain is thought of as one of the GOATs by most to all rock niggas...Pac isn't
 
CeLLaR-DooR;4583391 said:
to be honest I can't really see how its debatable...Nirvana didn't invent grunge but they sure as fuck redefined it...made it more melodic...brilliant lyrics...Cobain is undoubtedly a huge influence in grunge and one of its leading artists in terms of music and legend...2Pac didn't really revolutionise rap in anyway...he didn't popularise a style of writin' or instrumentals...apart from makin' it more acceptable to be a thug, what did he really do to be in the same category as Cobain?...and there was already a buncha niggas doin' that (like the West Coast GOAT Cube)...And, from what I can gather, Cobain is thought of as one of the GOATs by most to all rock niggas...Pac isn't

no disrespect but lol@ this post cuz u can clearly tell u dont live n emerica cuz trust me TUPAC is way bigger then kurt n EMERICA dont let these lyin lamez n herr fool u tellin u other wize cuz like i said da musik kurt made is not as big as HIPHOP therr is no COLLEGE classez on kurt cobain like therr is fa TUPAC & nobody n hiphop will eva have a bigger legacy then TUPAC & wit me sayin that im not sayin pac is da best rapper im talkin IMPACT!
 
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One of the problems with this topic is people on a hip-hop website generally have little knowledge of anything outside hip-hop and even less knowledge about an artist that died a long time ago that wasn't a rapper.

A lot of people have boiled this down to a popularity contest (which 2Pac would win easily against anyone because of the tremendous cult of personality built around him) and its not about IMPACT or actual INFLUENCE anymore.

I haven't seen anyone explain how Pac changed hip-hop. Out of all these years nobody, not one person has explained how 2Pac changed hip-hop or what the hell he added to it.

If you got to a rock site and talk about Cobain they can atleast name some legitimate accomplishments Nirvana had, you come to a hip-hop site and nobody can say how 2Pac changed the game? Maybe its because of ignorance, maybe its because he didn't (and he didn't).

As long as this is a popularity contest and not a real discussion on impact and influence its useless doing this. You could exchange Cobain with anyone and get the same reaction Pac vs The Beatles, Pac vs Jimi Hendrix, Pac vs Duke Ellington etc etc the reality is the same, the little knowledge of anyone other than 2Pac and his cult of personality that inflates everything he did beyond context.

Tupac did a few movies all of a sudden he's Denzel Washington, Tupac wrote poems so he's better than Maya Angelou...its just ridiculous.
 
jono;4584044 said:
One of the problems with this topic is people on a hip-hop website generally have little knowledge of anything outside hip-hop and even less knowledge about an artist that died a long time ago that wasn't a rapper.

A lot of people have boiled this down to a popularity contest (which 2Pac would win easily against anyone because of the tremendous cult of personality built around him) and its not about IMPACT or actual INFLUENCE anymore.

I haven't seen anyone explain how Pac changed hip-hop. Out of all these years nobody, not one person has explained how 2Pac changed hip-hop or what the hell he added to it.

If you got to a rock site and talk about Cobain they can atleast name some legitimate accomplishments Nirvana had, you come to a hip-hop site and nobody can say how 2Pac changed the game? Maybe its because of ignorance, maybe its because he didn't (and he didn't).

As long as this is a popularity contest and not a real discussion on impact and influence its useless doing this. You could exchange Cobain with anyone and get the same reaction Pac vs The Beatles, Pac vs Jimi Hendrix, Pac vs Duke Ellington etc etc the reality is the same, the little knowledge of anyone other than 2Pac and his cult of personality that inflates everything he did beyond context.

Tupac did a few movies all of a sudden he's Denzel Washington, Tupac wrote poems so he's better than Maya Angelou...its just ridiculous.

smh u fool therrz alot of WHITEZ who love tupac way mo then kurt u cant say that da other way around thatz y pac sold 5mill n 2monthz while he was ALIVE...
 
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jono;4584044 said:
One of the problems with this topic is people on a hip-hop website generally have little knowledge of anything outside hip-hop and even less knowledge about an artist that died a long time ago that wasn't a rapper.

A lot of people have boiled this down to a popularity contest (which 2Pac would win easily against anyone because of the tremendous cult of personality built around him) and its not about IMPACT or actual INFLUENCE anymore.

I haven't seen anyone explain how Pac changed hip-hop. Out of all these years nobody, not one person has explained how 2Pac changed hip-hop or what the hell he added to it.


If you got to a rock site and talk about Cobain they can atleast name some legitimate accomplishments Nirvana had, you come to a hip-hop site and nobody can say how 2Pac changed the game? Maybe its because of ignorance, maybe its because he didn't (and he didn't).



As long as this is a popularity contest and not a real discussion on impact and influence its useless doing this. You could exchange Cobain with anyone and get the same reaction Pac vs The Beatles, Pac vs Jimi Hendrix, Pac vs Duke Ellington etc etc the reality is the same, the little knowledge of anyone other than 2Pac and his cult of personality that inflates everything he did beyond context.

Tupac did a few movies all of a sudden he's Denzel Washington, Tupac wrote poems so he's better than Maya Angelou...its just ridiculous.

It's revisionism b and good post

Pac is god to these niggas,truth is he was an overrated rapper who got clapped and got put on a pedestal afterwards

how did he change hip hop? How is the most influential? Nigga didnt do shit but ruin the rap game

Rakim,nasir,Jigga,camron,Biggie,Cube,Kane,Big L are all more influential than pac

 
GeE-757;4583911 said:
CeLLaR-DooR;4583391 said:
to be honest I can't really see how its debatable...Nirvana didn't invent grunge but they sure as fuck redefined it...made it more melodic...brilliant lyrics...Cobain is undoubtedly a huge influence in grunge and one of its leading artists in terms of music and legend...2Pac didn't really revolutionise rap in anyway...he didn't popularise a style of writin' or instrumentals...apart from makin' it more acceptable to be a thug, what did he really do to be in the same category as Cobain?...and there was already a buncha niggas doin' that (like the West Coast GOAT Cube)...And, from what I can gather, Cobain is thought of as one of the GOATs by most to all rock niggas...Pac isn't

no disrespect but lol@ this post cuz u can clearly tell u dont live n emerica cuz trust me TUPAC is way bigger then kurt n EMERICA dont let these lyin lamez n herr fool u tellin u other wize cuz like i said da musik kurt made is not as big as HIPHOP therr is no COLLEGE classez on kurt cobain like therr is fa TUPAC & nobody n hiphop will eva have a bigger legacy then TUPAC & wit me sayin that im not sayin pac is da best rapper im talkin IMPACT!

Grunge might not be as big as hip-hop...But 2Pac isn't to hip-hop what Kurt Cobain is to grunge...Nowhere near...2Pac's legacy may not be debatable...but his ability and rank amongst the elite of the genre are...Who has had a bigger impact in pop culture?...Couldn't tell ya...like you said, I'm not an 'Emerican'...But who had the biggest impact in their own genre?...I don't think its debatable
 
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this has been a pretty good discussion, although some of the points being pushed are silly, what does killing yourself or making movies have to do with music...
 
CeLLaR-DooR;4584109 said:
Grunge might not be as big as hip-hop...But 2Pac isn't to hip-hop what Kurt Cobain is to grunge...Nowhere near...2Pac's legacy may not be debatable...but his ability and rank amongst the elite of the genre are...Who has had a bigger impact in pop culture?...Couldn't tell ya...like you said, I'm not an 'Emerican'...But who had the biggest impact in their own genre?...I don't think its debatable

wth tupac is 1 of da biggest iconz n EMERICAN HIPHOP i dont know who lied 2 u like i said therr is no1 n hiphop that will eva have a bigger impact than TUPAC! cuz pac was mo then a rapper he was mo then a actor that muthafuka was born n2 da blk pantherz cant no blk rapper 2day fix they mouf & say that that is wat seperatez pac from da rest imean did kurt sell 5milliion recordz n 2monthz like TUPAC did while he was ALIVE?,...
 
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as a HipHop fan on a HipHop forum Id assume most could care less about some Rock dude that ate a shotgun or his influence on Rock music....most are unfamiliar with that genre.

Now if this was Sam Cook or Danny Hathaways influence on Soul music compared to Tupac it would be interesting.
 

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