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Tommy bilfiger;4582169 said:Ok 2 plat albums and 1 gold thuglife was a compilation album
he still died broke and according to what u posted sold about 5 million albums while alive
Lmao thats the "Goat" even tho he didnt sell 95% of his records until after he got clapped in vegas
It took his debut 4 years to go gold and his 2nd album 2 years to go plat Nuff said
Lab Baby;4582315 said:Ms. Sweeetface;4582280 said:Lab Baby;4582264 said:Nevermind's impact on rock>>>>>>any Pac album's impact on hip hop
This is a hip hop forum, so Kurt might mostly get shitted on here.
Not at all...while some of these Rappers sampling some of his music. IJS
True... but Nirvana started a whole genre... and countless bands were inspired by Nirvana, even when Kurt was alive.
Anyone who knows Tori Amos knows she's kind of a big deal... this would be equivalent to Rakim sampling a local cat's song
CeLLaR-DooR;4583391 said:to be honest I can't really see how its debatable...Nirvana didn't invent grunge but they sure as fuck redefined it...made it more melodic...brilliant lyrics...Cobain is undoubtedly a huge influence in grunge and one of its leading artists in terms of music and legend...2Pac didn't really revolutionise rap in anyway...he didn't popularise a style of writin' or instrumentals...apart from makin' it more acceptable to be a thug, what did he really do to be in the same category as Cobain?...and there was already a buncha niggas doin' that (like the West Coast GOAT Cube)...And, from what I can gather, Cobain is thought of as one of the GOATs by most to all rock niggas...Pac isn't
jono;4584044 said:One of the problems with this topic is people on a hip-hop website generally have little knowledge of anything outside hip-hop and even less knowledge about an artist that died a long time ago that wasn't a rapper.
A lot of people have boiled this down to a popularity contest (which 2Pac would win easily against anyone because of the tremendous cult of personality built around him) and its not about IMPACT or actual INFLUENCE anymore.
I haven't seen anyone explain how Pac changed hip-hop. Out of all these years nobody, not one person has explained how 2Pac changed hip-hop or what the hell he added to it.
If you got to a rock site and talk about Cobain they can atleast name some legitimate accomplishments Nirvana had, you come to a hip-hop site and nobody can say how 2Pac changed the game? Maybe its because of ignorance, maybe its because he didn't (and he didn't).
As long as this is a popularity contest and not a real discussion on impact and influence its useless doing this. You could exchange Cobain with anyone and get the same reaction Pac vs The Beatles, Pac vs Jimi Hendrix, Pac vs Duke Ellington etc etc the reality is the same, the little knowledge of anyone other than 2Pac and his cult of personality that inflates everything he did beyond context.
Tupac did a few movies all of a sudden he's Denzel Washington, Tupac wrote poems so he's better than Maya Angelou...its just ridiculous.
jono;4584044 said:One of the problems with this topic is people on a hip-hop website generally have little knowledge of anything outside hip-hop and even less knowledge about an artist that died a long time ago that wasn't a rapper.
A lot of people have boiled this down to a popularity contest (which 2Pac would win easily against anyone because of the tremendous cult of personality built around him) and its not about IMPACT or actual INFLUENCE anymore.
I haven't seen anyone explain how Pac changed hip-hop. Out of all these years nobody, not one person has explained how 2Pac changed hip-hop or what the hell he added to it.
If you got to a rock site and talk about Cobain they can atleast name some legitimate accomplishments Nirvana had, you come to a hip-hop site and nobody can say how 2Pac changed the game? Maybe its because of ignorance, maybe its because he didn't (and he didn't).
As long as this is a popularity contest and not a real discussion on impact and influence its useless doing this. You could exchange Cobain with anyone and get the same reaction Pac vs The Beatles, Pac vs Jimi Hendrix, Pac vs Duke Ellington etc etc the reality is the same, the little knowledge of anyone other than 2Pac and his cult of personality that inflates everything he did beyond context.
Tupac did a few movies all of a sudden he's Denzel Washington, Tupac wrote poems so he's better than Maya Angelou...its just ridiculous.
GeE-757;4583911 said:CeLLaR-DooR;4583391 said:to be honest I can't really see how its debatable...Nirvana didn't invent grunge but they sure as fuck redefined it...made it more melodic...brilliant lyrics...Cobain is undoubtedly a huge influence in grunge and one of its leading artists in terms of music and legend...2Pac didn't really revolutionise rap in anyway...he didn't popularise a style of writin' or instrumentals...apart from makin' it more acceptable to be a thug, what did he really do to be in the same category as Cobain?...and there was already a buncha niggas doin' that (like the West Coast GOAT Cube)...And, from what I can gather, Cobain is thought of as one of the GOATs by most to all rock niggas...Pac isn't
no disrespect but lol@ this post cuz u can clearly tell u dont live n emerica cuz trust me TUPAC is way bigger then kurt n EMERICA dont let these lyin lamez n herr fool u tellin u other wize cuz like i said da musik kurt made is not as big as HIPHOP therr is no COLLEGE classez on kurt cobain like therr is fa TUPAC & nobody n hiphop will eva have a bigger legacy then TUPAC & wit me sayin that im not sayin pac is da best rapper im talkin IMPACT!
CeLLaR-DooR;4584109 said:Grunge might not be as big as hip-hop...But 2Pac isn't to hip-hop what Kurt Cobain is to grunge...Nowhere near...2Pac's legacy may not be debatable...but his ability and rank amongst the elite of the genre are...Who has had a bigger impact in pop culture?...Couldn't tell ya...like you said, I'm not an 'Emerican'...But who had the biggest impact in their own genre?...I don't think its debatable