Who Do You Think Made The Bigger Impact Of Their Own Genre: Kurt Cobain or Tupac Shakur

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

But at the same time pac had a plan and was executing it on some ghetto sun tzu shit, and you cant kill an idea

 

[Jdilla26]

But at the same time pac had a plan and was executing it on some ghetto sun tzu shit, and you cant kill an idea

I agree Pac popularity was sky rocketing to the point I think it overwhelmed him @ times...Wish he was able to get out the clutches of Suge.......

 

[The Nuisance]

Who cares rockers love 2Pac and rappers love Kurt so the winner is the fans, great music from both!

 

[runningwolf1980]

Tupac (and his producers) and Kurt Cobain (and Nirvana) each had 75 million records sold a piece.

Tupac was a loud mouth, always in the news, movie star, flashy, semi-revolutionary, black panther, shot several times, dropped 6 albums in his lifetime of which 3 were critically acclaimed, and was murdered in Las Vegas in a high profile gang related incident (really an inside job).

Kurt Cobain was passive, avoided the news, dressed shitty, was a heroin addict, completed four albums in his lifetime of which two were critically acclaimed and was purported to have killed himself in a quite Seattle suburb (really an inside job).

Now with all that Pac did in his life you would think that his sales would far surpass ol' regular Joe ass Kurt Cobain's but for some reason they are exactly the same.

And for anyone who said, "Oh Kurt Cobain was in a band!" Well, Pac similarly had producers but didnt serve as the main contributor to any of his productions like Kurt did with his guitar.

Its pretty clear who's "music" was more impact full, as a matter of fact, Nirvana transcended and defined music outside of their genre. Pac didnt change rap or popular music at all.

Now for the bigger persona and image, Pac without a doubt.

i swear these thread brought the white boys out

And is that really what it did, or did it just prove that niggas dont know shit unless its going on in their hood...

I think the latter.

BTW who said Kurt Cobain couldnt rap?

nah bruh i was born in 1980 and grew up in baltimore md, even though i know kurts music well and like tons of his songs and even fucked with the foo fighters for a bit because of dave grohl....."BUT" in my everyday life everytime i hear a bullshit fake fucking ross,lil wayne,and the like i really "miss" pac......i dont care that kurts gone why? same reason no one "misses" dizzy gillespie...there genre died with them.

I think it's more about you liking rap music. That may tell more of your story

i love rock music...all genras except "hair metal" with the exeption of guns and roses...im in to alot of different music ya know? but i feel pac just meant "more" to "more" people....he shaped hip-hop in his short time here.

 

[plocc]

Im gonna put it like this. Pac is known more for what he did out of the studio and off stage, while Kurt is known for what he did musically in the studio and onstage. I've never heard anybody say Pac put on a great show. And quit talking bout Pac selling 5 mil in 2 months. It was a double cd and the Thug Life album was pure trash except for the classic, "Straight Ballin". A lotta people put Pac on a pedestal because he was like that one wild, charismatic dude that exists in every neighborhood in every urban area of this country. So in some aspect he's like that cool, dead homey, that we pour out liquor, and get tatoos for. I am a fan of his music but im not dillusional and i aint deifying any rapper, or rocker but I will give credit when its due. Nobody's reply is right or wrong. They're only opinions, and mines is strictly about their impact musically. Tupac's biggest impact is the Thug Life image, while not actually being a thug. Cobain might not have invented grunge, but he lived it. He was the Run-Dmc of grunge. He took it to another level.

 

[thecomebacklegend]

Im gonna put it like this. Pac is known more for what he did out of the studio and off stage,

stop reading after this quote

so the people in germany build a statue of pac cause what he did out the studio and off stage? FOH. u gotta b droppin classics for people 2 care like that

 

[Melanin_Enriched]

Pac aint drop no classic. Get the fuck out of here.

 

[thecomebacklegend]

Pac aint drop no classic. Get the fuck out of here.

still mad pac took over nyc in 96?

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

Im gonna put it like this. Pac is known more for what he did out of the studio and off stage, while Kurt is known for what he did musically in the studio and onstage. I've never heard anybody say Pac put on a great show. And quit talking bout Pac selling 5 mil in 2 months. It was a double cd and the Thug Life album was pure trash except for the classic, "Straight Ballin". A lotta people put Pac on a pedestal because he was like that one wild, charismatic dude that exists in every neighborhood in every urban area of this country. Tupac's biggest impact is the Thug Life image, while not actually being a thug. Cobain might not have invented grunge, but he lived it. He was the Run-Dmc of grunge. He took it to another level.

Lmao son just dropped a factual sledgehammer on pac groupies heads

No sign on thuglife bein trash thats actually a decent album all eyez on me is super wacc tho

 

[DanknDrank]

Dear mama

So many tears

California love

Keep ya head up

Brendas gotta baby

...this guy that you speak of in which you say has no classics, those are all his songs, that are not only hiphop classics..but cultural classics as well, so do us all a favor and another method of speaking out of the ass

Your fallible opinion is starting to catch a shitty odor

 

[alphajjc]

God damn it really can be annoying sometimes seeing people just follow Pac like blind groupies and can NEVER EVER admit flaws that he had.

Nas is my favorite rapper, but even I called him out on here with the whole Gwen Paltrow situation. I also like Pac but it just seems that people keep finding excuses for him.

What is the point of people bringing up album sales constantly?

We can't talk about "impact" without only bringing up album sales?

jono brought up a very good point when he spoke about how Pac technically sold out by moving from the social commentary music he did before in order to do gangsta rap. I never even thought about that before but its a great point.

Alot of us automatically assume that "selling out" means making pop songs but that does not always have to be the case

 

[alphajjc]

One of the problems with this topic is people on a hip-hop website generally have little knowledge of anything outside hip-hop and even less knowledge about an artist that died a long time ago that wasn't a rapper.

A lot of people have boiled this down to a popularity contest (which 2Pac would win easily against anyone because of the tremendous cult of personality built around him) and its not about IMPACT or actual INFLUENCE anymore.

I haven't seen anyone explain how Pac changed hip-hop. Out of all these years nobody, not one person has explained how 2Pac changed hip-hop or what the hell he added to it.

If you got to a rock site and talk about Cobain they can atleast name some legitimate accomplishments Nirvana had, you come to a hip-hop site and nobody can say how 2Pac changed the game? Maybe its because of ignorance, maybe its because he didn't (and he didn't).

As long as this is a popularity contest and not a real discussion on impact and influence its useless doing this. You could exchange Cobain with anyone and get the same reaction Pac vs The Beatles, Pac vs Jimi Hendrix, Pac vs Duke Ellington etc etc the reality is the same, the little knowledge of anyone other than 2Pac and his cult of personality that inflates everything he did beyond context.

Tupac did a few movies all of a sudden he's Denzel Washington, Tupac wrote poems so he's better than Maya Angelou...its just ridiculous.

Lmao damn man you are just shutting down this thread. Lol at the Maya Angelou comment. But seriously though alot of Pac's poetry was very good.

But I definitely see what you are saying. Like I said before I love his music but I have found that there are long periods of time that I purposely take a break from listening to his music because sometimes after reading all the annoying hero worship on urban hip hop websites, it gives me a headache.

It's not so much liking his music, because as a fan of music you can listen to whoever you want to and enjoy as much songs by that artist as you want. The problem is that they constantly dance around his FLAWS and the silly things that he did.

We got people on hip hop forums that spoke about how he was so real and made an impact because he did passionate things like spitting in the face of a cameraman who never even provoked him......I mean seriously get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

The answer to the thread question is easily Kurt Cobain/Nirvana.

 

[Bawse D.Lox]

Im gonna put it like this. Pac is known more for what he did out of the studio and off stage, while Kurt is known for what he did musically in the studio and onstage. I've never heard anybody say Pac put on a great show. And quit talking bout Pac selling 5 mil in 2 months. It was a double cd and the Thug Life album was pure trash except for the classic, "Straight Ballin". A lotta people put Pac on a pedestal because he was like that one wild, charismatic dude that exists in every neighborhood in every urban area of this country. So in some aspect he's like that cool, dead homey, that we pour out liquor, and get tatoos for. I am a fan of his music but im not dillusional and i aint deifying any rapper, or rocker but I will give credit when its due. Nobody's reply is right or wrong. They're only opinions, and mines is strictly about their impact musically. Tupac's biggest impact is the Thug Life image, while not actually being a thug. Cobain might not have invented grunge, but he lived it. He was the Run-Dmc of grunge. He took it to another level.

lmao, u don't know what your talking about,

Nirvana came out in 1989 with Bleach that shit failed to chart.

Pearl Jam came out with Ten in 1991, and sold 13 fucking Million they made Grunge popular they paved the way for "Nevermind" to go on to sale 10 milli

but since Kurt died in his prime , u know how that goes, same for 2pac.

really??? 2pac isn't known outside his music or studio???

2pac didn't drop "Me against the World", "All Eyez On Me", Mackaveli" in a time span of one year???

when wayne started to live in the studio, making a new mixtape every month, who did they compared him too???????

when DMX dropped 2 #1 albums in 1 year, who did they compare him too?

what kurt cobain track is in the library of congress???

what kurt kobain track made the pope playlist?

who got classes based on their music, in numerous colleges all over america???

yet 2pac isn't known outside his music???

but here in 2012, Will And Jada kids, and beiber who probably weren't born when pac was alive, are reciting pac verse's, yet Pac isn't known for his music.

 

[Jdilla26]

Hardcore fans of Cobain and 2pac felt they were visionaries, genius, and a Messiah of epidemic proportions. Objectively, we don't know if either artist would prove to be such a genius over time. Whose to say that had either or both artists lived, we wouldn't think of them as washed-up has-beens now?

What makes them similiar died near the height of their popularity. It's easy to remember them as great.

 

[Bawse D.Lox]

God damn it really can be annoying sometimes seeing people just follow Pac like blind groupies and can NEVER EVER admit flaws that he had.

Nas is my favorite rapper, but even I called him out on here with the whole Gwen Paltrow situation. I also like Pac but it just seems that people keep finding excuses for him.

What is the point of people bringing up album sales constantly?

We can't talk about "impact" without only bringing up album sales?

jono brought up a very good point when he spoke about how Pac technically sold out by moving from the social commentary music he did before in order to do gangsta rap. I never even thought about that before but its a great point.

Alot of us automatically assume that "selling out" means making pop songs but that does not always have to be the case

Pac sold out??

how???

nigga started Thug Life in 92'. nigga been catching cases since 91'. when did this nigga sold out???

was it in 93' ????, when he dropped songs like "Keep Ya HEad Up", "Papaz Song"?

or 95' ???? when he dropped songs like "Dear Mama", "Shed So Many Tears", "ME Agianst The WOrld" "Young Niggaz"

or, All Eyez On Me???? when he had tracks like, "Only God can Judge" "I Ain't Mad Atcha", "HEartz Of MEn"," Wonder Y They Call U Bitch". "Shorty wanna be a thug"

or Mackaveli??? with songs like "Blasphemy", "White Mans World", "Hold Ya Head","Smile"*

even in "Hail Mary" had social commentary.

soooooooooooo when did he stray from his social commentary????

even in songs that came out after he died like "Baby Don't Cry", "Letter To The President" "TEar Drops and Closed Casket", "This ain't Living" etc etc. had social commentary.

 

[ShadyWorldOrder]

Im gonna put it like this. Pac is known more for what he did out of the studio and off stage, while Kurt is known for what he did musically in the studio and onstage. I've never heard anybody say Pac put on a great show. And quit talking bout Pac selling 5 mil in 2 months. It was a double cd and the Thug Life album was pure trash except for the classic, "Straight Ballin". A lotta people put Pac on a pedestal because he was like that one wild, charismatic dude that exists in every neighborhood in every urban area of this country. So in some aspect he's like that cool, dead homey, that we pour out liquor, and get tatoos for. I am a fan of his music but im not dillusional and i aint deifying any rapper, or rocker but I will give credit when its due. Nobody's reply is right or wrong. They're only opinions, and mines is strictly about their impact musically. Tupac's biggest impact is the Thug Life image, while not actually being a thug. Cobain might not have invented grunge, but he lived it. He was the Run-Dmc of grunge. He took it to another level.

Im gonna put it like this. Pac is known more for what he did out of the studio and off stage, while Kurt is known for what he did musically in the studio and onstage. I've never heard anybody say Pac put on a great show. And quit talking bout Pac selling 5 mil in 2 months. It was a double cd and the Thug Life album was pure trash except for the classic, "Straight Ballin". A lotta people put Pac on a pedestal because he was like that one wild, charismatic dude that exists in every neighborhood in every urban area of this country. Tupac's biggest impact is the Thug Life image, while not actually being a thug. Cobain might not have invented grunge, but he lived it. He was the Run-Dmc of grunge. He took it to another level.

Lmao son just dropped a factual sledgehammer on pac groupies heads

No sign on thuglife bein trash thats actually a decent album all eyez on me is super wacc tho

this nicca said All Eyes on me is garbage Really I know niccas entitled to they opinion but seriously

 

[ShadyWorldOrder]

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this nicca said All Eyes on me is garbage Really I know niccas entitled to they opinion but seriously

 

[alphajjc]

God damn it really can be annoying sometimes seeing people just follow Pac like blind groupies and can NEVER EVER admit flaws that he had.

Nas is my favorite rapper, but even I called him out on here with the whole Gwen Paltrow situation. I also like Pac but it just seems that people keep finding excuses for him.

What is the point of people bringing up album sales constantly?

We can't talk about "impact" without only bringing up album sales?

jono brought up a very good point when he spoke about how Pac technically sold out by moving from the social commentary music he did before in order to do gangsta rap. I never even thought about that before but its a great point.

Alot of us automatically assume that "selling out" means making pop songs but that does not always have to be the case

Pac sold out??

how???

nigga started Thug Life in 92'. nigga been catching cases since 91'. when did this nigga sold out???

was it in 93' ????, when he dropped songs like "Keep Ya HEad Up", "Papaz Song"?

or 95' ???? when he dropped songs like "Dear Mama", "Shed So Many Tears", "ME Agianst The WOrld" "Young Niggaz"

or, All Eyez On Me???? when he had tracks like, "Only God can Judge" "I Ain't Mad Atcha", "HEartz Of MEn"," Wonder Y They Call U Bitch". "Shorty wanna be a thug"

or Mackaveli??? with songs like "Blasphemy", "White Mans World", "Hold Ya Head","Smile"*

even in "Hail Mary" had social commentary.

soooooooooooo when did he stray from his social commentary????

even in songs that came out after he died like "Baby Don't Cry", "Letter To The President" "TEar Drops and Closed Casket", "This ain't Living" etc etc. had social commentary.

it was alot less than what he did on 2pacalypse

That is the point I am making.

I am not saying that LITERALLY he never made social commentary songs again, I just said that it was alot less than when he first started.

By the way you cannot really say Hail Mary is a social commentary song

 

[plocc]

Bawse D. Lox. Since your breaking down my post. Read it carefully. I didnt say Tupac wasnt known outside of his music, i said he's more known for antics aside from his music. I also stated that Nirvana didnt invent grunge, they took it to another level.

I hadnt heard of grunge until i started seeing smells like teen spirit on mtv everytime i turned to it. Not Pearl Jam. This thread isnt about Pearl Jam. If you ever watch the Tupac bio. Listen to the people who really knew him like shock g, money b, and some of the people he lived with before he really got. As far as a statue in Germany. Sounds like a bunch of disillusioned fans with too much time on their hands. I can see having one in the bay area, baltimore, or brooklyn where he actually lived, but Germany Cmon son. Dick ridin to the nth degree.

 

[rapmastermind]

1st if you were born in the 90's I don't think you can really debate this. 2nd since I listen to all types of music, not just Hip Hop, I am fully aware of Kurt's legacy and I like some Nirvana songs. Clearly Kurt had a bigger impact on his genre cause he killed off the "Hair Bands" that ruled rock for the 80's. Also the fact that grunge music fell off after Kurt's death is proof of his overall Impact on his genre, they just haven't recovered from his death.

Pac's impact on Hip Hop can't be understated, he's easily Top 5 all time on everybody's list. He's also Top 5 all time total sales in Hip Hop History. He's one of rap's greatest song writers and skill wise, he wasn't the best in every category but as a complete emcee he was skillful. But Kurt changed rock on a larger scale. No Tupac LP had more impact than "Nevermind" did. Also Nirvana didn't have a lot of material, they prove Quality over Quanity. They only released 3 LP's a few EP's and a live album the rest is all compilations. Where as Pac has had over 10 LP's release. Again Rap hasn't been the best since Pac's death but it survived. Kurt Death ended his sub-genre of rock.