When and why exactly did Andre 3000 end up anywhere close to the greats ?!?

[t_m_a_c_f_a_n73088]

So the nigga don't deserve his just due because he's in a group. Y'all niggas kill me, just say you don't think he deserves the praise he gets and be done with it......

 

[Rey Negro]

You gotta take in account what he did for that group. That's one of the greatest groups ever, that's not gonna come from two average dudes. Big Boi to me is on par with Dre, but Dre's guest verses throughout the years made a little more noise than Big's solo album, which is a shame cuz no one really put Big Boi in the same light, which I think he should be even tho I prefer Dre out the two. And it's not easy to stand out in a group (word to Mef, Rae and Ghost). You see that Beyonce had the potential to be great out of all those girls, even though she was in a group. I don't think his solo legacy surpasses Jay or Nas, but he can definitely stand toe to toe with them lyrically. He just needs to build his own foundation musically, which honestly, with all the acting and side deals, I don't think he's ready for.

thats all im saying. people are changing the rules for him....rules that have been that way for years.

if group artists were truly as respected as solo artists....why would artists like Beyonce ever felt the need to leave? people saying there's no distinction between group artists and solo artists...then Beyonce should've been content with Destiny's Child right?

 

[Treize117]

So the nigga don't deserve his just due because he's in a group. Y'all niggas kill me, just say you don't think he deserves the praise he gets and be done with it......

umm...

did u read my post?

 

[t_m_a_c_f_a_n73088]

umm...

did u read my post?

Didn't mean to quote you bruh. *E-Daps*

 

[Treize117]

thats all im saying. people are changing the rules for him....rules that have been that way for years.

if group artists were truly as respected as solo artists....why would artists like Beyonce ever felt the need to leave? people saying there's no distinction between group artists and solo artists...then Beyonce should've been content with Destiny's Child right?

So basically u downplayin his rap skills cuz he aint "ambitious" enough for u

got it

Didn't mean to quote you bruh. *E-Daps*

all good brutha

 

[cuttadc13]

becuz he's one of the great rappers when he raps and one of the great artists when making music.. Even in a group people recognize him individually... he deserves all of his acclaims as a great rapper..cuz thats what he does..he's different from everyone else and people respect that, no matter how he dresses(like that fuckin matters anyways)

 

[EscoHovNyGo]

My boy sent me both ATLiens & Aquemini I wasnt up on kast and thought they sucked .. but after that opening verse by dre on babylon I went nuts. Both albums overall are close to perfect. Big Boi aint no slouch either he held his own alongside Andre 3000 his entire career. 3000 is easily above average when it comes to flow word play and concepts. Why you think ? lil wayne would put andre 3000 on the carter iv .. the hiphop world knows he's a beast.

 

[Rey Negro]

So basically u downplayin his rap skills cuz he aint "ambitious" enough for u

got it

all good brutha

never said that. all you lil niggas.....stop hopping in the conversation if you not gonna read the thread.

niggas said Dre was top 5. that he was better than niggas like Rakim, DMX, Ice Cube. how you better than them and you never had a solo career?

 

[blackrain]

thats all im saying. people are changing the rules for him....rules that have been that way for years.

if group artists were truly as respected as solo artists....why would artists like Beyonce ever felt the need to leave? people saying there's no distinction between group artists and solo artists...then Beyonce should've been content with Destiny's Child right?

to say Andre 3000 isn't as skilled as other rappers simply because he's not a solo artist is absurd though...using your same argument, even if Beyonce never left Destiny's Child, would people still say "She has a good singing voice but because she never went solo you can't say her voice is that good"...no...she'd still be known for her voice...just like regardless of being in a group, Andre 3k is still known for his skills on the mic...just on the level of skills, he's one of the best and the same solo artist w/ larger collections of music acknowledge that openly

 

[Lab Baby]

thats all im saying. people are changing the rules for him....rules that have been that way for years.

if group artists were truly as respected as solo artists....why would artists like Beyonce ever felt the need to leave? people saying there's no distinction between group artists and solo artists...then Beyonce should've been content with Destiny's Child right?

Groups don't really work like that. With DC, I think they just wanted to end on top, and they all did their solo thing, Bey just happened to be more successful. In fact, from what I remember, Kelly was the first one to pop off solo when she did that joint with Nelly (Bey did first with Cam on SDE, but that was an album cut). Someone usually leaves the group over money, personal issues, etc. That definitely wasn't the case with Outkast, they still are together as a group, they just wanna expand. Big Boi dropped his joint, now it's Dre's turn.

 

[Treize117]

never said that. all you lil niggas.....stop hopping in the conversation if you not gonna read the thread.

niggas said Dre was top 5. that he was better than niggas like Rakim, DMX, Ice Cube. how you better than them and you never had a solo career?

Bruh, thats EXACTLY what ur doing. Ur discrediting him for not bein a solo artist. So what?

And yes, he raps WAAAAAAY better than DMX and Ice Cube. With or without a solo album. He got more than enough verses to prove it.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

I just want to get things clear with people bringing in this "it don't count cos he in a group" logic .... So if going by those standards would it be safe to say (hypothetically) that solo rapper A who dropped a album that was average is = to group rapper B who's group dropped a great album but due to the fact it's one less verse per song their not individually superior even tho their product is? Yeah Nahhhhh I'm not fuckin with that logic .... Niggas ain't gone sit here and say that average Method man album from 06 is on par with the hell hath no fury because "meths joint was solo" and he should "get more credit" Don't work that way....... So why should a rapper in a group get credited less for their abilities and skills when compared to a solo artist??

 

[Lab Baby]

Bruh, thats EXACTLY what ur doing. Ur discrediting him for not bein a solo artist. So what?

And yes, he raps WAAAAAAY better than DMX and Ice Cube. With or without a solo album. He got more than enough verses to prove it.

Nah, he's saying he can't be a GOAT if he hasn't put the work in. That's like calling J Cole a GOAT with no album out, even tho he has hella dope verses. And sure, it's not the same since Dre is 17 years deep with 6 group albums. No one here is denying his skills, anyone who is needs their ears checked. He's just not qualified for it. You can't be a heavyweight champ if you haven't had a title fight.

 

[Lincoln]

Given their similar appearance and creativity, my theory is Jimi Hendrix was reincarnated in Andre 3000 to bless another genre of music as one of the g.o.a.t.s

 

[Treize117]

Nah, he's saying he can't be a GOAT if he hasn't put the work in. That's like calling J Cole a GOAT with no album out, even tho he has hella dope verses. And sure, it's not the same since Dre is 17 years deep with 6 group albums. No one here is denying his skills, anyone who is needs their ears checked. He's just not qualified for it. You can't be a heavyweight champ if you haven't had a title fight.

Nigga got 3 classics and a diamond album...been out since 92...and he aint put the work in...i swear niggas are funny

Bottom line, being solo dont make you a better RAPPER. And Dre can rap better than all these niggas people keep throwin out there.

 

[cuttadc13]

Given their similar appearance and creativity, my theory is Jimi Hendrix was reincarnated in Andre 3000 to bless another genre of music as one of the g.o.a.t.s

lol I used to say that same thing! lmao good shit

 

[t_m_a_c_f_a_n73088]

Nigga got 3 classics and a diamond album...been out since 92...and he aint put the work in...i swear niggas are funny

Thats what I'm saying. So three classics and a great album and a diamond album aint enough work for y'all????? LMFAO

 

[Lab Baby]

Nigga got 3 classics and a diamond album...been out since 92...and he aint put the work in...i swear niggas are funny

I'm talkin solo wise. I been bigged up Dre this whole thread, I know what he did. But he's simply not qualified to be a GOAT contender cuz he hasn't held down an album on his own. If that's the case, is Papoose (all corny punchlines aside), Joe Budden (who put out only 1 major album), Joell Ortiz and any other mixtape rapper GOAT contenders? They can definitely spit with the best of them, but they haven't done what GOATs do, and that's put out classic SOLO albums.

 

[Lab Baby]

People got it confused like Dre isnt on the GOATs levels. Not the case. Think about this, you know someone who nasty at ball, might be better than Jordan. But he hasn't entered the league, hasn't played a game outside his neighborhood. Another case, he does get in the league, but he never wins a ring. Never gets past the first round. Is he a GOAT? Or is he Tracy McGrady? Dre is basically Tracy McGrady.

 

[Treize117]

I'm talkin solo wise. I been bigged up Dre this whole thread, I know what he did. But he's simply not qualified to be a GOAT contender cuz he hasn't held down an album on his own. If that's the case, is Papoose (all corny punchlines aside), Joe Budden (who put out only 1 major album), Joell Ortiz and any other mixtape rapper GOAT contenders? They can definitely spit with the best of them, but they haven't done what GOATs do, and that's put out classic SOLO albums.

No nigga, but its not because they aint dropped solo LP's

Its because none of them are even remotely as good as Andre. U mean to tell me if Joell dropped a solo album that would make him more qualified than Andre 3000? Does that honestly make any sense to you, to even compare those two?

I swear its so simple...Andre is top 5 because he raps better than everyone else.

Its like yall niggas would argue Jordan aint the greatest cuz he had "too much help"

Dre is basically Tracy McGrady.

Ok, I'm done here