When and why exactly did Andre 3000 end up anywhere close to the greats ?!?

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shenco;3243419 said:
I think dude is overrated and that Big Boi is equal if not better than 3 stacks, but with that said dude is a great mc. He just became one of the greats when he decided to go on a feature tear that one year.

Agreed, and Big Boi has shown he can make a great rap album solo.

But yea, Andre is a beast, his verse on "Black Ice" will forever be a favorite of mine.
 
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Rey Negro;3244459 said:
nope. i rap. its a difference.

my logic has been the same.

group artist + no dope solo career = don't get upset when niggas call you a group artist.

group artist + 3 dope solo albums of your own = now you can talk shit

you realize if you were to take this argument the way you presented it into a discussion w/ hip-hop heavyweights they'd laugh your ass out the room for trying to discredit Andre when it's pretty much agreed on that he's one of the best to ever do it?
 
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Tommy bilfiger;3245381 said:
Lmao yea iiight buddy

On some real shit I might do that

My homie was in texas for 4-5 years He said the south hardly/never listen to ny rappers if u see a cat doin it he in the minority

They dont bump biggie,raekwon,ghostface and he said niggas dont fuck wit nas at all I remember him tellin me this cuz he was tryin to play some shit and they were shittin on it bad

But he did say they bumped jay z

I bump Jay z too so what's your point, Jay is one of the rappers who has the the most songs in my ipod, but at the same time so is Juicy J and Future, imma diverse nigga yall need to learn how to be one too, and of course you gon have yo niggas who is up on Jay and ny rappers like I am down here, but it's even more that's gon be like who is dat, or what the fuck is that bullshit.
 
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Dre only rapped on the 1st 3 Outkast albums. On Stankonia he was doing a mix of singing and rapping. On his solo album he sang.

I don't see whats so crazy about saying he needs a solo rap album to be considered a legit top 5 candidate.
 
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Tommy bilfiger;3245268 said:
Lol @ Dre 3000 not being better than dmx,real talk thats an insult to Dre he is 100 times better than x

Dmx is top 3 most overrated rappers ever he had a spark in 98 then became trash

Wtf has he done lyrically or concept wise to get so much respect? the nigga barked and growled and dropped mediocre lyrics

'Its all gravy like chicken when its smothered/its dark and I love it get em boys"- X

Fuck outta here
Dudes made it like X was spittin fire for 10yrs. I also think every great rapper gets over hyped but most people agree with their greatness
 
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ustreet_monsta;3245451 said:
Dre only rapped on the 1st 3 Outkast albums. On Stankonia he was doing a mix of singing and rapping. On his solo album he sang.

I don't see whats so crazy about saying he needs a solo rap album to be considered a legit top 5 candidate.

It's not saying he needs a solo album...I agree, it'd be great to hear what Dre would sound like on an album by himself...but to discredit him because he hasn't dropped one and to act as if his rhymes are only half as good because he's been part of Outkast his whole career is just stupid...him being part of a group doesn't make him less of a rapper or less skilled of a rapper than others who have dropped solo albums...for all that Souljah Boy is a better rapper and should be ranked higher...so should Wacka Flocka, Gucci, Memphis Bleek, Jim Jones, and any other bullshit rapper who has dropped a solo album...hell Jon Cena has a solo album does that make him better than Andre too?
 
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Tommy bilfiger;3245507 said:
I was agreeing wit you,u hick idiot

You said Nobody in the south bumps them ny rappers and I said my boy who lived in texas for 5 years said the Exact same thing

Wit the exception being jigga and you then backed up what I said

If u can get past your defensive stance clown u would see we agreed

Lmaoooooooooooo what the fuck is wrong wit u internet ass niggas why you gotta disrespect a nigga, you know damn well yeen bout dat shit in real life man, hick idiot ill be dat, keep thinkin we some hick idiots come down here and git ya face toe off.
 
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ustreet_monsta;3245451 said:
Dre only rapped on the 1st 3 Outkast albums. On Stankonia he was doing a mix of singing and rapping. On his solo album he sang.

I don't see whats so crazy about saying he needs a solo rap album to be considered a legit top 5 candidate.

[video=youtube;opB4oSsEYwM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opB4oSsEYwM[/video]

Oh, and off Idlewild

[video=youtube;lNIQyqL1ZaQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNIQyqL1ZaQ[/video]

That being said, 3k is not THE GOAT, but he can rap with the best of them. Outkast is a top 5 group tho.
 
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^^ Yeah I know about those songs. 2 tracks isnt gonna cut it though.

If you took all Dre's raps throughout his career and made a album out of them it wouldnt even be a double cd.

Its the same reason I don't have Big L in my top 10.
 
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G.R.I.P. Money $$$;3244266 said:
whether in a group or not strictly as a lyricist ill take 3000 or big boi over cube or dmx anyday..

Co fucking Sign.....

Niggas in here tripping think that Andre is overrated and Big Boi ain't no slouch at all....Dude really said he'd take DMX over Stacks....listen to his verse on Royal Flush and tell me if he's overrated....hands down one of the best verses I've EVER heard...
 
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ustreet_monsta;3245717 said:
^^ Yeah I know about those songs. 2 tracks isnt gonna cut it though.

If you took all Dre's raps throughout his career and made a album out of them it wouldnt even be a double cd.

Its the same reason I don't have Big L in my top 10.

Not saying Dre is a top 10, there are so many other cats that contributed more to hip hop (DMX aint one of them, sorry). But think of what he contributed to Outkast. Big Boi couldnt just find another dude and do the same thing. In fact, 3K was most of the appeal of that group. When they dropped that dbl album, a lot of those hits came from 3K. And you can say he was singing and catered to a wider audience, but the fact remains that Outkast wouldnt be Outkast without Dre. And being in a top 5 group with only 2 people, that says a lot about him.
 
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ustreet_monsta;3245717 said:
^^ Yeah I know about those songs. 2 tracks isnt gonna cut it though.

If you took all Dre's raps throughout his career and made a album out of them it wouldnt even be a double cd.


Its the same reason I don't have Big L in my top 10.

so 17 years, 6 albums, and plenty of guest verses wouldn't equal a double album? shit that's only 20 something songs on a double album...it doesn't take much to fill that up...
 
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blackrain;3245788 said:
so 17 years, 6 albums, and plenty of guest verses wouldn't equal a double album? shit that's only 20 something songs on a double album...it doesn't take much to fill that up...

I think he meant without the Kast albums (I hope so, no one can be that stupid). If that's the case, the same can be said for most of the Wu outside of Ghostface.
 
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i think majority wise it's safe to say:

top 5 - hell no

top 10 - questionable

top 20 - definitely


top 20 based on his catalog with kast is something i could live with
 
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Tommy bilfiger;3245381 said:
Lmao yea iiight buddy

On some real shit I might do that

My homie was in texas for 4-5 years He said the south hardly/never listen to ny rappers if u see a cat doin it he in the minority

They dont bump biggie,raekwon,ghostface and he said niggas dont fuck wit nas at all I remember him tellin me this cuz he was tryin to play some shit and they were shittin on it bad

But he did say they bumped jay z

This shit is true. Not saying they don't at all down here but you are rare if you do. Gucci is Jay down here and Boosie is Nas. I'm not saying quality rappers don't sell out shows/get played down here because they do. Texas has such a huge population that there are a lot of fans of quality rap music, it's just the ones that like the trash outnumber us by a lot. Anyways I have no problem if a nigga thinks X is better than DRE 3k. I disagree but they're both legends so to each his own. But saying niggas like kiss, fab, method man, etc. are better than dre because of "technical skills" is just fuckin stupid
 
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-Vincenzo-;3245872 said:
i think majority wise it's safe to say:

top 5 - hell no

top 10 - questionable

top 20 - definitely


top 20 based on his catalog with kast is something i could live with

you do realize that outside of the IC Andre is going to rank higher than top 20 most likely given the agreed upon respect and admiration not only fans but other rappers have for both Andre and Big Boi for what they've contributed to rap
 
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I don't care who the fuck he dresses, I just wished he'd stop all that bullshit ass singing and just rap and put out more albums.
 
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