When and why exactly did Andre 3000 end up anywhere close to the greats ?!?

[JDSTAYWITIT]

something you niggaz is gonna learn some day is "g.o.a.t" is different to each person who says "g.o.a.t"

But wheres the fun in that?? Hip hop is like a sport it thrives during debate

 

[ShencotheMC]

If we all lived in a vacuum then yeah ud be spot on ... But we don't .... Life goes on ... Artist make more music build on there resume and surpass other artist .... It's nothing personal ...strictly business .... And reality

Umm nah bruh, if Big's 2 albums are better than someone else who has a large discog. of material then Big is the better rapper. Snoop been around as long as Jay has yet Jay gets more acclaim then him. You know why? Because Jay makes better music than him. Too Short has the most solo albums of any rapper in history yet Big and Tupac get more acclaim than him. You know why? Because Big and Pac made better music than him

 

[Lab Baby]

You not hearing what I'm saying .... Due to the fact there's so many niggas in the wu it's kind of difficult to say off of the group efforts ID stood out as a goat candidate without a great solo career to back like you can with dre .. Or even to say how much influence he had on the overall impact success wise of that group...... if ID was replaced with mc 12th monkey or nobody at all would that be as impactful as kast with no dre?? I don't think so.... That's my point about that comparison

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Not saying Deck was a GOAT, he didn't do enough to make a mark. Ghost and Rae however have 2 classic albums at least, and Ghost has a lot more than that. You can look at those 9 dudes and think what are they without Wu. Mef, ODB, GZA, RZA, Rae and Ghost all stand out on their own, the rest not so much. Now look at Big Boi and Andre. What has Big Boi done outside of Kast? A solo album, a label, some guest verses. What has Dre done outside of Outkast? Sure, one of the greatest featured verse streaks ever and a few movies, but what else? What has he done in rap outside of Kast? Again, great group, but he still needs to be qualified as a solo mc.

Bruh those were some terrible analogies ...lol I mean for one did you really just compare george Harrison to Paul and John ?? Cmon now bruh everybody know they wrote damn near all the songs I dont really even get wht your comparing there?? so ur saying until Andre drops a solo album he = George Harrison?? No I do not cosign that shit .... Dre shined in a group setting whereas gh did not comparison should be dead there alone..... Secondly it's difficult to compare rock and rap in this way because the vast majority of goat rock acts are groups just due to the nature of what's needed to create that music whereas rap is primarily a individual game .... Lennon and Paul were goat status before they went solo brotha .... As individuals as well as a part of the group

So Here Comes the Sun and While My Guitar Gently Weeps werent hot songs? Harrison contributed a hell of a lot to the Beatles, but it gets swept under the rug. And when they broke up, did Harrison do anything that shook up the world like Lennon's Imagine? And yes, rock music has a lot of singular acts too (Hendrix, Meatloaf, Ozzy, Alice Cooper, Janis Joplin). Harisson's definitely one of the greatest guitarists, but people will put Lennon/McCartney over him in songwriting and singing (I prefer Harrison, but to each his own). Why is that? Because Harrison put in enough work as a guitarist, but not as a singer/songwriter, even though he had the potential to (Here Comes the Sun). Just like Dre, he put in hella work as a group member, hell, even as a producer and singer. But as a SOLO rapper, which is what a GOAT is, he's still gotta qualify.

 

[runningwolf1980]

But wheres the fun in that?? Hip hop is like a sport it thrives during debate

no doubt...but these young niggaz come with the most wackest mc's for debate and then really shit on the ones with mic skill....like how the fuck cats say wu aint nice?

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Umm nah bruh, if Big's 2 albums are better than someone else who has a large discog. of material then Big is the better rapper. Snoop been around as long as Jay has yet Jay gets more acclaim then him. You know why? Because Jay makes better music than him. Too Short has the most solo albums of any rapper in history yet Big and Tupac get more acclaim than him. You know why? Because Big and Pac made better music than him

First of all we ain't Talkin about snoop too short jay and whatever other random niggas you want to bring into the discussion so I ain't readin all that misc. shit .... Stay on beat my nigga we talking about dre ...... And bottom line is

Outkast discography > Biggies

Get it how you live pimp...

 

[runningwolf1980]

First of all we ain't Talkin about snoop too short jay and whatever other random niggas you want to bring into the discussion so I ain't readin all that misc. shit .... Stay on beat my nigga we talking about dre ...... And bottom line is

Outkast discography > Biggies

Get it how you live pimp...

this shouldnt even be a question....i swear nigga act like outkast is your average "rappers"....i hate a stupid mutha fucker that dosnt understand a message so he go's to say "its wack"......fuck that nigg "you wack" nah mean?

 

[ShencotheMC]

First of all we ain't Talkin about snoop too short jay and whatever other random niggas you want to bring into the discussion so I ain't readin all that misc. shit .... Stay on beat my nigga we talking about dre ...... And bottom line is

Outkast discography > Biggies


Get it how you live pimp...

It's called bringing a comparison in to back up my damn point.

@bolded- That's your opinion, but nah I can't co-sign that one. It's close and I can see why, but I just can't co-sign that one

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

no doubt...but these young niggaz come with the most wackest mc's for debate and then really shit on the ones with mic skill....like how the fuck cats say wu aint nice?

Man I can dig it ..... I don't know what half these muthafuckas be talking about 75% of the time on this shit either ....and that's why u rarely catch a nigga postin in alot of these shenanigan ass threads ....but every now and again I come and put my 2cents in just for the hell of it..

 

[Lab Baby]

It's called bringing a comparison in to back up my damn point.

@bolded- That's your opinion, but nah I can't co-sign that one. It's close and I can see why, but I just can't co-sign that one

3 classics>2 classics

 

[ShencotheMC]

3 classics>2 classics

What are these 3 classics that Outkast have? Y'all sucking some serious dick right now. That's why I love the IC though, the comedy is fantastic. Kanye can have more than 1 classic, Jay can only have 2 classics, and lil wayne isn't a whole fag. I'm out

 

[runningwolf1980]

What are these 3 classics that Outkast have? Y'all sucking some serious dick right now. That's why I love the IC though, the comedy is fantastic. Kanye can have more than 1 classic, Jay can only have 2 classics, and lil wayne isn't a whole fag. I'm out

agitate the gravel and kick rocks nigga...

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

It's called bringing a comparison in to back up my damn point.

@bolded- That's your opinion, but nah I can't co-sign that one. It's close and I can see why, but I just can't co-sign that one

5 great albums > 2

I don't really see how this is debatable.......

But it is what it is .... Dre is in the conversation for top ten anything else IMO is uncivilized ....................Barkley

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

What are these 3 classics that Outkast have? Y'all sucking some serious dick right now. That's why I love the IC though, the comedy is fantastic. Kanye can have more than 1 classic, Jay can only have 2 classics, and lil wayne isn't a whole fag. I'm out

U supposed to be a mc right?? Well then take yo scrawny ass to the dojo and study ur craft pimp.. figure it out...

 

[efsmutton]

So putting out multiple multi plat group albums is = to a mixtape rapper now??

So putting out multiple critically acclaimed group albums is = to a mixtape rapper now??

So categorically dominating verse after verse after verse for nearly 20 years is = to a mixtape rapper now??

........ This is why I love the IC tho .... Great source of illogical comedic genius

This here!!!!

 

[efsmutton]

If folks that are considered greats in hip hop call the man one of the greats, who cares what some nerd behind a keyboard says smh.

 

[Knives Amilli]

Not reading this whole thread.

But Ill say this tho: 3000 is overrated as fuck cuz Southern niggas dont have many lyrical MC's so they overrate the few they have.

 

[Cutler 26 INT's LOL!]

So 'Kast don't have at least 2 classics now??

Some of ya'll niggas mane...SMH.

 

[cubaroid]

dre is cool , but its hard to compare him to DMX really.X is on a whoe another level imo...

 

[Say What]

dre is cool , but its hard to compare him to DMX really.X is on a whoe another level imo...

Yeah he barks. He makes heart felt songs but that doesn't make him better

 

[1of1]

Only a casual listener of Outkast. Never felt blown away by their music as far as I can remember although they do have some good material. I'm gonna review the whole catalog over the next 4 or 5 months if I can and really figure out why this love for Dre 3000 is so deep for some people.