When and why exactly did Andre 3000 end up anywhere close to the greats ?!?

[Lab Baby]

So all the classic material aside ....all the classic verses aside .....the longevity aside ....the hits aside ....none of that shit is valid without a solo album?? word??

Ok, think about this. The Beatles were one of the greatest bands of all time. But after they broke up, each of them created careers of their own, most notably Lennon and McCartney. George Harrison was the better songwriter out of all of them, but he often goes unnoticed because he hasn't left a mark like Mcartney did with Wings or Lennon did on his own. Ringo had a solo career too, but not like Lennon and McCartney. Now apply that to now. Yes, Dre's contributions to Outkast are well respected, definitely a top 5 group. But he can't be a GOAT simply because he hasn't applied for the position. A nigga could crossover cats and dunk and drop 50 points every summer for the rest of his life at the Rucker, but til he gets in the league, Kobe will be better to some people. It's sad, but it's reality.

 

[Lab Baby]

Inspectah Deck?? the wu got one album maybe two that are considered stone cold classic were he along with 9 OTHER mcs share the mic ....u cant tell the differnce between that situation and dres?? along with the fact that ID has dropped what 4-5 albums after US and how many of those were near classic material?? c'mon bruh stop that reaching shit ...apple and oragnes

As far as Joe goes ....admittedly i havent played front to back every project ...because alot of em i wasnt feelin like that ....not to mention all of the extra average shit joe has dropped..... his catalouge is coo ..but he imo has just as many great joints as he does average ...and no classics ...so ...i dont even know what he's doing in this discussion...

Trust me, Wu is up there with Kast as far as groups. And out of 9 people, 2 of them (Rae, Ghost) are GOAT contenders. I'm well aware of Deck's other albums, I just mentioned the one people considered near classic. And that comparison does hold up, cuz if Rae and Ghost can have consistent solo careers (even tho Rae took forever to drop another solo), it shouldnt be a problem for Dre. And if he's not willing to do that, he can't be a GOAT just because he raps his ass off.

I only mentioned Joe as an example. Not saying he's up there, his catalogue outside of MM2 is average at best, but he has a lot of really dope songs in between which adds up. But if people just looked at those songs and not his ENTIRE body of work and called him a GOAT, that would be stupid. Just like Dre. Group albums = definitely GOAT status. Solo albums = nothing there, so we can't judge him yet.

 

[T. Sanford]

some of yall niggas like to throw Big L in the goat, when he was just the king of punchlines (rip Big L)

then say 3000 dont have a message in his music lol, so he's disqualified as being a top 10 mc

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Ok, think about this. The Beatles were one of the greatest bands of all time. But after they broke up, each of them created careers of their own, most notably Lennon and McCartney. George Harrison was the better songwriter out of all of them, but he often goes unnoticed because he hasn't left a mark like Mcartney did with Wings or Lennon did on his own. Ringo had a solo career too, but not like Lennon and McCartney. Now apply that to now. Yes, Dre's contributions to Outkast are well respected, definitely a top 5 group. But he can't be a GOAT simply because he hasn't applied for the position. A nigga could crossover cats and dunk and drop 50 points every summer for the rest of his life at the Rucker, but til he gets in the league, Kobe will be better to some people. It's sad, but it's reality.

Bruh those were some terrible analogies ...lol I mean for one did you really just compare george Harrison to Paul and John ?? Cmon now bruh everybody know they wrote damn near all the songs I dont really even get wht your comparing there?? so ur saying until Andre drops a solo album he = George Harrison?? No I do not cosign that shit .... Dre shined in a group setting whereas gh did not comparison should be dead there alone..... Secondly it's difficult to compare rock and rap in this way because the vast majority of goat rock acts are groups just due to the nature of what's needed to create that music whereas rap is primarily a individual game .... Lennon and Paul were goat status before they went solo brotha .... As individuals as well as a part of the group

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

some of yall niggas like to throw Big L in the goat, when he was just the king of punchlines (rip Big L)

then say 3000 dont have a message in his music lol, so he's disqualified as being a top 10 mc

Cosizzle. These dudes put people like Big L, Big Pun, and Biggie in their top 10 when they have a limited catalog. It's like, what's the standard for being a GOAT? Isn't longevity the main factor? How can you be a GOAT, if you don't have longevity? Shit doesn't make sense.

 

[ShencotheMC]

Cosizzle. These dudes put people like Big L, Big Pun, and Biggie in their top 10 when they have a limited catalog. It's like, what's the standard for being a GOAT? Isn't longevity the main factor? How can you be a GOAT, if you don't have longevity? Shit doesn't make sense.

But the lack of longevity was from outside sources. Not them falling off or anything like that

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Trust me, Wu is up there with Kast as far as groups. And out of 9 people, 2 of them (Rae, Ghost) are GOAT contenders. I'm well aware of Deck's other albums, I just mentioned the one people considered near classic. And that comparison does hold up, cuz if Rae and Ghost can have consistent solo careers (even tho Rae took forever to drop another solo), it shouldnt be a problem for Dre. And if he's not willing to do that, he can't be a GOAT just because he raps his ass off.

You not hearing what I'm saying .... Due to the fact there's so many niggas in the wu it's kind of difficult to say off of the group efforts ID stood out as a goat candidate without a great solo career to back like you can with dre .. Or even to say how much influence he had on the overall impact success wise of that group...... if ID was replaced with mc 12th monkey or nobody at all would that be as impactful as kast with no dre?? I don't think so.... That's my point about that comparison

 

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aye my nigga that tumblr is ridiculous ....

 

[Say What]

But the lack of longevity was from outside sources. Not them falling off or anything like that

So you don't know what they would of done. They all could of gone the way of DMX having a great few years then drop. I Lebron got hurt right now he wouldn't go down as the greatest but someone like KG could be ranked higher because of his overall accomplishments. While Lebron might win a couple of chips & MVP's you cant say what would happen look at TMAC

 

[ShencotheMC]

So you don't know what they would of done. They all could of gone the way of DMX having a great few years then drop. I Lebron got hurt right now he wouldn't go down as the greatest but someone like KG could be ranked higher because of his overall accomplishments. While Lebron might win a couple of chips & MVP's you cant say what would happen look at TMAC

That's why you judge them solely on the material they released during their careers

 

[Say What]

That's why you judge them solely on the material they released during their careers

So the material he released is equal or greater than people that dropped two albums. 150 verses is 150 verses however you do it

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

That's why you judge them solely on the material they released during their careers

Yeah, that's completely fair. Let's put a dude who averaged 30ppg for 2 seasons and died/retired in the same class as someone who put up 30ppg for 15 years. Makes complete sense.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

That's why you judge them solely on the material they released during their careers

Exactly and when you have capable artist Making exceptional music over long periods of time those guys get pushed aside .... Sorry BIG

Actuality >>> Speculation

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

this is the only post that needs to be read about this topic. can't believe people are comparing Andre 3000 to DMX & Cube.

When has 3000 dropped a "Slippin", a "Get a me Dog", a "What These Bitches Want", a "I Miss You", a "How its Going Down"

When has 3000 dropped a "Today was a Good Day", "Check Yourself", "Cave Bitch", "No Vaseline", "True to the Game".

Yall really need to shut the fuck up.

3000 second verse on elevators>>>all that shit.

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

And yes, he raps WAAAAAAY better than DMX and Ice Cube. With or without a solo album. He got more than enough verses to prove it.

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[ShencotheMC]

Yeah, that's completely fair. Let's put a dude who averaged 30ppg for 2 seasons and died/retired in the same class as someone who put up 30ppg for 15 years. Makes complete sense.

You act like it's his fault he died. If Big's 2 albums are better than Kanye's 5 albums than that's what it is. Sorry, but that's how it goes.

 

[ShencotheMC]

Exactly and when you have capable artist Making exceptional music over long periods of time those guys get pushed aside .... Sorry BIG

Actuality >>> Speculation

But if Big's two albums are better than someone else's large catalog then *kanye shrug* Big is better

 

[runningwolf1980]

something you niggaz is gonna learn some day is "g.o.a.t" is different to each person who says "g.o.a.t"

 

[runningwolf1980]

an further more how many solo albums you have dosnt determin mic skill......gucci has 50 albums and is complete shit on the mic....

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

But if Big's two albums are better than someone else's large catalog then *kanye shrug* Big is better

If we all lived in a vacuum then yeah ud be spot on ... But we don't .... Life goes on ... Artist make more music build on there resume and surpass other artist .... It's nothing personal ...strictly business .... And reality