Was Jesus referring to Yahweh/Jehovah or someone else???

[bignorm73]

Jesus was talking about the people he was speaking to, not humanity in general.

 

[beenwize]

Jesus was talking about the people he was speaking to, not humanity in general.

no Jesus said that NOBODY has ever seen or heard the voice of the Father that sent him... In the Bible Yahweh is depicted as being seen and heard... So obviously Jesus couldn't have been referring to Yahweh as his Father.

 

[beenwize]

Also PAY ATTENTION to these scriptures who are they referring too?

Galatians 4:8-11
Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.

But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces?

Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?

You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

 

[beenwize]

Jesus was talking about the people he was speaking to, not humanity in general.

i'll let the scriptures speak.

John 1:18

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

 

[beenwize]

In the scriptures below we see Yahweh dwelling in the "thick darkness"

1 Kings 8:12

Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Psalm 18:11 He made darkness his covering, his canopy around him--the dark rain clouds of the sky.

Psalm 97:2 Clouds and thick darkness surround him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

In the scriptures below Yeshua says the Father that sent him dwells in LIGHT and has no darkness in him. There seems to be a DIFFERENCE between Yahweh and the Father Jesus is referring too.

1 Timothy 6:16

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

 

[young_reezy]

good question... whats your view on who he was talking about?

 

[beenwize]

good question... whats your view on who he was talking about?

It don't seem as if Yahweh is the Father that Jesus was referring too... As we see the scriptures don't agree.

Yahweh has been seen and had his voice heard. He is also described as having body parts.

Jesus refers to a Father that is invisible spirit which nobody has ever seen or heard.

 

[Niggersauce]

What kinda shit

"Ye shall see my backparts, but not my face"

Niggas was giving god backshots? No wonder the romans and catholic priest dwell in homosexuality

 

[young_reezy]

I don't think Yahweh is the Father that Jesus was referring too... As we see the scriptures don't agree.

Yahweh has been seen and had his voice heard. He is also described as having body parts.

Jesus refers to a Father that is invisible spirit which nobody has ever seen or heard.

do you think Jesus studied in Egypt during the lost years of his life that the Bible doesn't mention?

 

[beenwize]

do you think Jesus studied in Egypt during the lost years of his life that the Bible doesn't mention?

that's possible... there are more gospels that were excluded from the KJV Bible. At the Council of Nicea in Rome they SELECTED which gospels they would include in the New Testament and they distorted some of the scriptures.

Do some research on the gnostic (Nag Hammadi) gospels that were found in Egypt in 1945. They are almost 2,000 years old and contain other books that were written by Jesus Apostles. The Romans attempted to destroy all these gospels during the Crusades & Inquisition but the ones found in Egypt survived and reveal a lot of information.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Anthropomorphic = a good place to start in the dictionary.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Anthropomorphic = a good place to start in the dictionary.

That's the key word right there.

 

[beenwize]

Anthropomorphic = a good place to start in the dictionary.

hmmm this does not really answer the question as Yahweh was heard and seen in the Old Testament.

Jesus says his father had never been seen or heard AT ANY TIME. If a book says Moses heard God's voice then obviously he heard God's voice and spoke with him.

But If Yahweh and Jesus are the same then what about this?

Old Testament - YAHWEH

Numbers 21:5
And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

New Testament - JESUS

Luke 11:11
If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

[VIBE]

Anthropomorphic = a good place to start in the dictionary.

lol if you can't explain it then....

Like always, it's either "god did it", "just have faith", or "it's anthropomorphic"...

lmao

 

[One Spliff]

why r u showing scriptures which say God/elohim, when you know damn well that god is not translated from YHWH/YAHWEH in those scriptures...its referring to the angels.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H430&t=KJV

1) (plural)

a) rulers, judges

b) divine ones

c) angels

d) gods

its lord that is translated from YHWH in those scriptures, and it isn't talking about the most high creator, its still speaking of a angel/god speaking or doing acts in the name of the most high YHWH.

very simple to udnerstand, as i explained in the other thread

 

[beenwize]

why r u showing scriptures which say God/elohim, when you know damn well that god is not translated from YHWH/YAHWEH in those scriptures...its referring to the angels.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H430&t=KJV

1) (plural)

a) rulers, judges

b) divine ones

c) angels

d) gods

its lord that is translated from YHWH in those scriptures, and it isn't talking about the most high creator, its still speaking of a angel/god speaking or doing acts in the name of the most high YHWH.

very simple to udnerstand, as i explained in the other thread

Actually the scriptures say YAHWEH in the Hebrew and I have proof in the links below... It does not mention anything about an angel in any of these scriptures, that would be your own private interpretation. In the instances in the Bible when an angel appeared it always stated it to be an Angel such as wen the Angel came to Mary and etc.

Deuteronomy 5:24
http://biblos.com/deuteronomy/5-24.htm

Exodus 33:11
http://biblos.com/exodus/33-11.htm

Exodus 33:21
http://biblos.com/exodus/33-21.htm

Deuteronomy 5:22
http://biblos.com/deuteronomy/5-22.htm

Below is an example of an angel in the scriptures... Notice it uses the word ANGEL.

1 Chronicles 21:16
And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

 

[bignorm73]

no Jesus said that NOBODY has ever seen or heard the voice of the Father that sent him... In the Bible Yahweh is depicted as being seen and heard... So obviously Jesus couldn't have been referring to Yahweh as his Father.

No, he said "Ye", which is like "You".

You have not seen him or heard his voice at any time. (in your life)

Stop reaching.

 

[bignorm73]

The bible also cleary states that god has a body.

We are created in his image. We have a body.

You guys trip me out trying to confound those without faith.

The bible is simple, and true.

 

[beenwize]

The bible also cleary states that god has a body.

We are created in his image. We have a body.

You guys trip me out trying to confound those without faith.

The bible is simple, and true.

The Old Testament says we were created by Yahweh and as you see I showed you that he has a body...

But the Father Jesus is referring to is INVISIBLE and was NEVER seen or heard... Didn't Adam & Eve speak to Yahweh? which means they heard his voice!

Colossians 1:15

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

John 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

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let the scriptures speak!

John 1:18

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

 

[One Spliff]

Actually the scriptures say YAHWEH in the Hebrew and I have proof in the links below... It does not mention anything about an angel in any of these scriptures, that would be your own private interpretation. In the instances in the Bible when an angel appeared it always stated it to be an Angel such as wen the Angel came to Mary and etc.

Deuteronomy 5:24
http://biblos.com/deuteronomy/5-24.htm

Exodus 33:11
http://biblos.com/exodus/33-11.htm

Exodus 33:21
http://biblos.com/exodus/33-21.htm

Deuteronomy 5:22
http://biblos.com/deuteronomy/5-22.htm

Below is an example of an angel in the scriptures... Notice it uses the word ANGEL.

1 Chronicles 21:16
And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

u need to learn how to read...

i was clearly referring to

ex 24:10
ex 19:19
deu 4:33

those were the scrips u posted in yur original post, which have the word god/elohim and NOT YHWH.

ITS LORD WHICH IS TRANSLATED FROM YHWH, which once again is still in reference to the god/elohim that is doing acts on the most high's behalf.