KEEP IT 100, WHEN STORES TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE "MARK" TO BUY AND SELL FOOD..

[The_Jackal]

MAN I ASKED YALL ONE QUESTION AND YALL CANT EVEN ANSWER IT...

Because you don't know what the fuck you talking about and if you think ever part of the bible is literal then you obviously haven't read it.

 

[kingblaze84]

And the Book of Revelation has been discredited by religious scholars a long time ago, a ton of church leaders don't even accept the book anymore

Source?

I'm at work now but if you look it up, many church denominations have rejected the Book of Revelation. Even Martin Luther said it's not worthy of putting in the Bible.

most Lutheran denomination believe and up hold revelations " saying a ton of church leaders" means what??? what is exactly a ton of church leaders??? If you go to the websites of every major church in the world and you ask them about the canonical nature of revelations they will uphold it. there are Lutheran bibles with the revelation in them

I won't deny most churches now accept the Book of Revelation as canon to the Bible. It seems like the ramblings of a crazy person to me though.

The book is dripping in symbolism so therefore it won't be easy for the layman or the expert to to really understand but it does have a clear organization so it's not just ramblings

Well I've read it and a lot of it is very creative thinking for sure. Dragons and beasts coming from the ocean and ruling over everyone, until Jesus comes back? And Jesus basically waging genocide all across the world until everyone worships him?

Okay if you say so, but after 2000 years, I still don't see magical beasts with 666 written on them.

 

[zzombie]

And the Book of Revelation has been discredited by religious scholars a long time ago, a ton of church leaders don't even accept the book anymore

Source?

I'm at work now but if you look it up, many church denominations have rejected the Book of Revelation. Even Martin Luther said it's not worthy of putting in the Bible.

most Lutheran denomination believe and up hold revelations " saying a ton of church leaders" means what??? what is exactly a ton of church leaders??? If you go to the websites of every major church in the world and you ask them about the canonical nature of revelations they will uphold it. there are Lutheran bibles with the revelation in them

I won't deny most churches now accept the Book of Revelation as canon to the Bible. It seems like the ramblings of a crazy person to me though.

The book is dripping in symbolism so therefore it won't be easy for the layman or the expert to to really understand but it does have a clear organization so it's not just ramblings

Well I've read it and a lot of it is very creative thinking for sure. Dragons and beasts coming from the ocean and ruling over everyone, until Jesus comes back? And Jesus basically waging genocide all across the world until everyone worships him?

Okay if you say so, but after 2000 years, I still don't see magical beasts with 666 written on them.

The beasts are not actually animals they are symbols for something else like i told you the book has a lot of symbols and you have to STUDY A LOT to even create a coherent and scriptural justifiable perspective on it.

 

[b1grobtheking]

i tell folks to practice fasting all the time....even if its from sun up til sun down.....water and sunlight will get you through the day...as for taking a chip,a mark,etc....fuck that ,death b4 dishonor....i rather die like a man instead of living like a coward...

 

[kingblaze84]

And the Book of Revelation has been discredited by religious scholars a long time ago, a ton of church leaders don't even accept the book anymore

Source?

I'm at work now but if you look it up, many church denominations have rejected the Book of Revelation. Even Martin Luther said it's not worthy of putting in the Bible.

most Lutheran denomination believe and up hold revelations " saying a ton of church leaders" means what??? what is exactly a ton of church leaders??? If you go to the websites of every major church in the world and you ask them about the canonical nature of revelations they will uphold it. there are Lutheran bibles with the revelation in them

I won't deny most churches now accept the Book of Revelation as canon to the Bible. It seems like the ramblings of a crazy person to me though.

The book is dripping in symbolism so therefore it won't be easy for the layman or the expert to to really understand but it does have a clear organization so it's not just ramblings

Well I've read it and a lot of it is very creative thinking for sure. Dragons and beasts coming from the ocean and ruling over everyone, until Jesus comes back? And Jesus basically waging genocide all across the world until everyone worships him?

Okay if you say so, but after 2000 years, I still don't see magical beasts with 666 written on them.

The beasts are not actually animals they are symbols for something else like i told you the book has a lot of symbols and you have to STUDY A LOT to even create a coherent and scriptural justifiable perspective on it.

I studied it and Revelation still seems like a bunch of bad dreams, if some of the visions there concretely came true by now, it would make more sense. The imagery of Jesus stabbing people to death all over the world because the beast is more loved then Jesus in the future is very bizarre.

And a red beast coming from the sky with ten crowns and seven heads, worshipped as a god worldwide? Sounds like an animal to me. If the story isn't literal and I agree it isn't, I'm not really sure what Revelation's purpose is. It's not prophetic of anything.

 

[zzombie]

And the Book of Revelation has been discredited by religious scholars a long time ago, a ton of church leaders don't even accept the book anymore

Source?

I'm at work now but if you look it up, many church denominations have rejected the Book of Revelation. Even Martin Luther said it's not worthy of putting in the Bible.

most Lutheran denomination believe and up hold revelations " saying a ton of church leaders" means what??? what is exactly a ton of church leaders??? If you go to the websites of every major church in the world and you ask them about the canonical nature of revelations they will uphold it. there are Lutheran bibles with the revelation in them

I won't deny most churches now accept the Book of Revelation as canon to the Bible. It seems like the ramblings of a crazy person to me though.

The book is dripping in symbolism so therefore it won't be easy for the layman or the expert to to really understand but it does have a clear organization so it's not just ramblings

Well I've read it and a lot of it is very creative thinking for sure. Dragons and beasts coming from the ocean and ruling over everyone, until Jesus comes back? And Jesus basically waging genocide all across the world until everyone worships him?

Okay if you say so, but after 2000 years, I still don't see magical beasts with 666 written on them.

The beasts are not actually animals they are symbols for something else like i told you the book has a lot of symbols and you have to STUDY A LOT to even create a coherent and scriptural justifiable perspective on it.

I studied it and Revelation still seems like a bunch of bad dreams, if some of the visions there concretely came true by now, it would make more sense. The imagery of Jesus stabbing people to death all over the world because the beast is more loved then Jesus in the future is very bizarre.

And a red beast coming from the sky with ten crowns and seven heads, worshipped as a god worldwide? Sounds like an animal to me. If the story isn't literal and I agree it isn't, I'm not really sure what Revelation's purpose is. It's not prophetic of anything.

Reading something once twice three times isn't studying it. The fact that you are still thinking that the beast are literally animals is an indication that you haven't studied

 

[The_Jackal]

And the Book of Revelation has been discredited by religious scholars a long time ago, a ton of church leaders don't even accept the book anymore

Source?

I'm at work now but if you look it up, many church denominations have rejected the Book of Revelation. Even Martin Luther said it's not worthy of putting in the Bible.

most Lutheran denomination believe and up hold revelations " saying a ton of church leaders" means what??? what is exactly a ton of church leaders??? If you go to the websites of every major church in the world and you ask them about the canonical nature of revelations they will uphold it. there are Lutheran bibles with the revelation in them

I won't deny most churches now accept the Book of Revelation as canon to the Bible. It seems like the ramblings of a crazy person to me though.

The book is dripping in symbolism so therefore it won't be easy for the layman or the expert to to really understand but it does have a clear organization so it's not just ramblings

Well I've read it and a lot of it is very creative thinking for sure. Dragons and beasts coming from the ocean and ruling over everyone, until Jesus comes back? And Jesus basically waging genocide all across the world until everyone worships him?

Okay if you say so, but after 2000 years, I still don't see magical beasts with 666 written on them.

The beasts are not actually animals they are symbols for something else like i told you the book has a lot of symbols and you have to STUDY A LOT to even create a coherent and scriptural justifiable perspective on it.

I studied it and Revelation still seems like a bunch of bad dreams, if some of the visions there concretely came true by now, it would make more sense. The imagery of Jesus stabbing people to death all over the world because the beast is more loved then Jesus in the future is very bizarre.

And a red beast coming from the sky with ten crowns and seven heads, worshipped as a god worldwide? Sounds like an animal to me. If the story isn't literal and I agree it isn't, I'm not really sure what Revelation's purpose is. It's not prophetic of anything.

You didnt study it or the history around it though. Reading doesnt equal study. Goes full circle into what I said about nobody learning anything. Ill drop some sparknotes

All prophecy foremost concern Israel

Israel at the time subjects of Rome who violental put down any uprising

Enter beast seven heads ten crows. This is how I know you didnt eally study

Seven heads with rome being known as the city of seven hills

Ten crows easily being seen as ten kings.

Rev

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

One is= Nero

One who reigns short =Galba

 

[kingblaze84]

And the Book of Revelation has been discredited by religious scholars a long time ago, a ton of church leaders don't even accept the book anymore

Source?

I'm at work now but if you look it up, many church denominations have rejected the Book of Revelation. Even Martin Luther said it's not worthy of putting in the Bible.

most Lutheran denomination believe and up hold revelations " saying a ton of church leaders" means what??? what is exactly a ton of church leaders??? If you go to the websites of every major church in the world and you ask them about the canonical nature of revelations they will uphold it. there are Lutheran bibles with the revelation in them

I won't deny most churches now accept the Book of Revelation as canon to the Bible. It seems like the ramblings of a crazy person to me though.

The book is dripping in symbolism so therefore it won't be easy for the layman or the expert to to really understand but it does have a clear organization so it's not just ramblings

Well I've read it and a lot of it is very creative thinking for sure. Dragons and beasts coming from the ocean and ruling over everyone, until Jesus comes back? And Jesus basically waging genocide all across the world until everyone worships him?

Okay if you say so, but after 2000 years, I still don't see magical beasts with 666 written on them.

The beasts are not actually animals they are symbols for something else like i told you the book has a lot of symbols and you have to STUDY A LOT to even create a coherent and scriptural justifiable perspective on it.

I studied it and Revelation still seems like a bunch of bad dreams, if some of the visions there concretely came true by now, it would make more sense. The imagery of Jesus stabbing people to death all over the world because the beast is more loved then Jesus in the future is very bizarre.

And a red beast coming from the sky with ten crowns and seven heads, worshipped as a god worldwide? Sounds like an animal to me. If the story isn't literal and I agree it isn't, I'm not really sure what Revelation's purpose is. It's not prophetic of anything.

Reading something once twice three times isn't studying it. The fact that you are still thinking that the beast are literally animals is an indication that you haven't studied

I'm just describing it as written, I get that symbolism is involved but the problem is that there are so many different interpretations that it's almost impossible to see what is meant to be literal in the book and what's meant to be symbolism. Even Christians aren't totally united in the symbolism.

Is Jesus stabbing people to death all over the world for rejecting his "authority" in the future also symbolism or is that what Jesus is really gonna do?

 

[kingblaze84]

And the Book of Revelation has been discredited by religious scholars a long time ago, a ton of church leaders don't even accept the book anymore

Source?

I'm at work now but if you look it up, many church denominations have rejected the Book of Revelation. Even Martin Luther said it's not worthy of putting in the Bible.

most Lutheran denomination believe and up hold revelations " saying a ton of church leaders" means what??? what is exactly a ton of church leaders??? If you go to the websites of every major church in the world and you ask them about the canonical nature of revelations they will uphold it. there are Lutheran bibles with the revelation in them

I won't deny most churches now accept the Book of Revelation as canon to the Bible. It seems like the ramblings of a crazy person to me though.

The book is dripping in symbolism so therefore it won't be easy for the layman or the expert to to really understand but it does have a clear organization so it's not just ramblings

Well I've read it and a lot of it is very creative thinking for sure. Dragons and beasts coming from the ocean and ruling over everyone, until Jesus comes back? And Jesus basically waging genocide all across the world until everyone worships him?

Okay if you say so, but after 2000 years, I still don't see magical beasts with 666 written on them.

The beasts are not actually animals they are symbols for something else like i told you the book has a lot of symbols and you have to STUDY A LOT to even create a coherent and scriptural justifiable perspective on it.

I studied it and Revelation still seems like a bunch of bad dreams, if some of the visions there concretely came true by now, it would make more sense. The imagery of Jesus stabbing people to death all over the world because the beast is more loved then Jesus in the future is very bizarre.

And a red beast coming from the sky with ten crowns and seven heads, worshipped as a god worldwide? Sounds like an animal to me. If the story isn't literal and I agree it isn't, I'm not really sure what Revelation's purpose is. It's not prophetic of anything.

You didnt study it or the history around it though. Reading doesnt equal study. Goes full circle into what I said about nobody learning anything. Ill drop some sparknotes

All prophecy foremost concern Israel

Israel at the time subjects of Rome who violental put down any uprising

Enter beast seven heads ten crows. This is how I know you didnt eally study

Seven heads with rome being known as the city of seven hills

Ten crows easily being seen as ten kings.

Rev

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

One is= Nero

One who reigns short =Galba

That's only one interpretation though, there are several others. Up until this day, there are all kinds of ways to interpret the book, and that's my biggest problem with it. It's not clear one way or the other, though I agree the Roman Empire is likely among the references, there is way too much that is open to personal interpretation.
http://www.ptm.org/03PT/MarApr/4ViewsRev.htm

 

[rodneyskinner]

This is where the Bible gets exposed for hypocrisy. Why the Book of Revelation is a false prophesy. What is the mark of the beast. He said its a number 666. How do you decode this number using numerology. Don't worry he will tell you its the number of man. The number of man was a Pythagryn teaching and the book built to take down Babylon the great uses PAGAN teachings to do it.

The basis of numerology is the principle that all multi-digit numbers can be reduced to a single discharge (prime numbers from number 1 to number 9), which correspond to certain occult characteristics that influence a person’s life. That is for each single-digit fixed defining properties, concepts and images. Since the letters of the alphabet can be a numeric expression through its serial number, any words or names are the same numerological operations that number.

Numerology, like astrology helps determine the nature, natural talents, strengths, weaknesses, and predict the future, discover the most suitable time for decision-making and action. With the help of numerology you can choose partners – in business or marriage.

It is difficult to say exactly when numerology was born, for the reason that in ancient times (in Babylon, India, Egypt, Greece and Rome) a separate science just was not there was another more common form – arithmomania (prediction on numbers).

Basic principles of the present version of the Western numerology was developed in the VI century BC ancient Greek philosopher and mathematician Pythagoras, who combined mathematics of the Arabs, Druids, Egyptians, Phoenicians, and the sciences of human nature. Pythagoras traveled to Egypt, Chaldea and other countries; return, he founded in southern Italy special Philosophical Society.

 

[zzombie]

using number as symbols does not equal numerology. numerology is much more complex than that and a wide variety of cultures have used numbers as symbols including the Israelite one rev 13:18 is not asking you to figure out the future using numbers it's just giving you an identification card for the ultimate anti-Christ

that is all it's not asking you to add up the numbers and figure out the future,

 

[The_Jackal]

And the Book of Revelation has been discredited by religious scholars a long time ago, a ton of church leaders don't even accept the book anymore

Source?

I'm at work now but if you look it up, many church denominations have rejected the Book of Revelation. Even Martin Luther said it's not worthy of putting in the Bible.

most Lutheran denomination believe and up hold revelations " saying a ton of church leaders" means what??? what is exactly a ton of church leaders??? If you go to the websites of every major church in the world and you ask them about the canonical nature of revelations they will uphold it. there are Lutheran bibles with the revelation in them

I won't deny most churches now accept the Book of Revelation as canon to the Bible. It seems like the ramblings of a crazy person to me though.

The book is dripping in symbolism so therefore it won't be easy for the layman or the expert to to really understand but it does have a clear organization so it's not just ramblings

Well I've read it and a lot of it is very creative thinking for sure. Dragons and beasts coming from the ocean and ruling over everyone, until Jesus comes back? And Jesus basically waging genocide all across the world until everyone worships him?

Okay if you say so, but after 2000 years, I still don't see magical beasts with 666 written on them.

The beasts are not actually animals they are symbols for something else like i told you the book has a lot of symbols and you have to STUDY A LOT to even create a coherent and scriptural justifiable perspective on it.

I studied it and Revelation still seems like a bunch of bad dreams, if some of the visions there concretely came true by now, it would make more sense. The imagery of Jesus stabbing people to death all over the world because the beast is more loved then Jesus in the future is very bizarre.

And a red beast coming from the sky with ten crowns and seven heads, worshipped as a god worldwide? Sounds like an animal to me. If the story isn't literal and I agree it isn't, I'm not really sure what Revelation's purpose is. It's not prophetic of anything.

You didnt study it or the history around it though. Reading doesnt equal study. Goes full circle into what I said about nobody learning anything. Ill drop some sparknotes

All prophecy foremost concern Israel

Israel at the time subjects of Rome who violental put down any uprising

Enter beast seven heads ten crows. This is how I know you didnt eally study

Seven heads with rome being known as the city of seven hills

Ten crows easily being seen as ten kings.

Rev

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

One is= Nero

One who reigns short =Galba

That's only one interpretation though, there are several others. Up until this day, there are all kinds of ways to interpret the book, and that's my biggest problem with it. It's not clear one way or the other, though I agree the Roman Empire is likely among the references, there is way too much that is open to personal interpretation.
http://www.ptm.org/03PT/MarApr/4ViewsRev.htm

No there is not. I don't even know what website that is but according to them and the 4 views the only one that would contradict is the futurist and that requires taking every single thing in the bible literally and that's just foolish

 

[kingblaze84]

And the Book of Revelation has been discredited by religious scholars a long time ago, a ton of church leaders don't even accept the book anymore

Source?

I'm at work now but if you look it up, many church denominations have rejected the Book of Revelation. Even Martin Luther said it's not worthy of putting in the Bible.

most Lutheran denomination believe and up hold revelations " saying a ton of church leaders" means what??? what is exactly a ton of church leaders??? If you go to the websites of every major church in the world and you ask them about the canonical nature of revelations they will uphold it. there are Lutheran bibles with the revelation in them

I won't deny most churches now accept the Book of Revelation as canon to the Bible. It seems like the ramblings of a crazy person to me though.

The book is dripping in symbolism so therefore it won't be easy for the layman or the expert to to really understand but it does have a clear organization so it's not just ramblings

Well I've read it and a lot of it is very creative thinking for sure. Dragons and beasts coming from the ocean and ruling over everyone, until Jesus comes back? And Jesus basically waging genocide all across the world until everyone worships him?

Okay if you say so, but after 2000 years, I still don't see magical beasts with 666 written on them.

The beasts are not actually animals they are symbols for something else like i told you the book has a lot of symbols and you have to STUDY A LOT to even create a coherent and scriptural justifiable perspective on it.

I studied it and Revelation still seems like a bunch of bad dreams, if some of the visions there concretely came true by now, it would make more sense. The imagery of Jesus stabbing people to death all over the world because the beast is more loved then Jesus in the future is very bizarre.

And a red beast coming from the sky with ten crowns and seven heads, worshipped as a god worldwide? Sounds like an animal to me. If the story isn't literal and I agree it isn't, I'm not really sure what Revelation's purpose is. It's not prophetic of anything.

You didnt study it or the history around it though. Reading doesnt equal study. Goes full circle into what I said about nobody learning anything. Ill drop some sparknotes

All prophecy foremost concern Israel

Israel at the time subjects of Rome who violental put down any uprising

Enter beast seven heads ten crows. This is how I know you didnt eally study

Seven heads with rome being known as the city of seven hills

Ten crows easily being seen as ten kings.

Rev

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

One is= Nero

One who reigns short =Galba

That's only one interpretation though, there are several others. Up until this day, there are all kinds of ways to interpret the book, and that's my biggest problem with it. It's not clear one way or the other, though I agree the Roman Empire is likely among the references, there is way too much that is open to personal interpretation.
http://www.ptm.org/03PT/MarApr/4ViewsRev.htm

No there is not. I don't even know what website that is but according to them and the 4 views the only one that would contradict is the futurist and that requires taking every single thing in the bible literally and that's just foolish

Well many Christians believe the main events of Revelation will literally happen as is, threadstarter and millions of other Christians believe this and many church leaders have said this as well historically. We agree it's not to be taken literally but the book is written in a way that can easily lead people to think it should be taken seriously and literally.

There is no easy way for a believer of the Bible to distinguish between the metaphorical and the literal in Revelation.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. (NRSV 22:18)



--Sounds like a book that's meant to be taken mostly literally.....the author of Revelation clearly wanted people to read the book as is, not adding words or other prophecies to it.

 

[kingblaze84]

Christians up until this day can't even agree which nation Babylon represents. Many preachers say America is Babylon, but some also say it's a nation that's yet to be formed. Some say it's the Catholic Church. The book is one wild goose chase, not sure why some still take it seriously. It's easy to see why past Christian officials fought so hard to prevent it from being accepted into canon.

 

[MARIO_DRO]

Christians up until this day can't even agree which nation Babylon represents. Many preachers say America is Babylon, but some also say it's a nation that's yet to be formed. Some say it's the Catholic Church. The book is one wild goose chase, not sure why some still take it seriously. It's easy to see why past Christian officials fought so hard to prevent it from being accepted into canon.

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE THREAD?

 

[Bodhi]

You need a credit/debit card or some type of username/password to buy and sell through most online stores.

 

[rodneyskinner]

using number as symbols does not equal numerology. numerology is much more complex than that and a wide variety of cultures have used numbers as symbols including the Israelite one rev 13:18 is not asking you to figure out the future using numbers it's just giving you an identification card for the ultimate anti-Christ

that is all it's not asking you to add up the numbers and figure out the future,

So a prophecy is not telling you the future. Here's the problem. The number 6 in astrology is a man's number. If they just used it to identify a person sort of like a street address 1 thing. They used the context of the word in its astrological meaning. So the number 6 being a man's number got its meaning from Astrology. More importantly it is predicting a future event where you will only be able to trade and is a sign of the time. The bible account would not be translated without the use of astrological sources.

 

[zzombie]

using number as symbols does not equal numerology. numerology is much more complex than that and a wide variety of cultures have used numbers as symbols including the Israelite one rev 13:18 is not asking you to figure out the future using numbers it's just giving you an identification card for the ultimate anti-Christ

that is all it's not asking you to add up the numbers and figure out the future,

So a prophecy is not telling you the future. Here's the problem. The number 6 in astrology is a man's number. If they just used it to identify a person sort of like a street address 1 thing. They used the context of the word in its astrological meaning. So the number 6 being a man's number got its meaning from Astrology. More importantly it is predicting a future event where you will only be able to trade and is a sign of the time. The bible account would not be translated without the use of astrological sources.

You can only use the bible to understand the symbols in the bible. You are assuming that how people in astrology used 6 is how the bible is using 6. Astrology is also a varied practice not all astrological systems are the same.

Prophecy tells you the future, it's limited information. astrology is an attempt to learn more than what the prophecy provides.

 

[kingblaze84]

Christians up until this day can't even agree which nation Babylon represents. Many preachers say America is Babylon, but some also say it's a nation that's yet to be formed. Some say it's the Catholic Church. The book is one wild goose chase, not sure why some still take it seriously. It's easy to see why past Christian officials fought so hard to prevent it from being accepted into canon.

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE THREAD?

My basic point is there is no reason to take the Book of Revelation seriously, so much of it is not written clearly and its prophecies are not clear either, even to many Christians. Christians can't even agree which parts are literal and which are metaphorical.

 

[alissowack]

Given what I understand about the Bible...I wouldn't take the mark.

The times are prepped for it. All we need is a circumstance where our credit/debit card are rendered useless.