Was Jesus referring to Yahweh/Jehovah or someone else???

[bignorm73]

As u say he says nobody ever seen god at any time

John 1:18

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

And here no one has heard the voice of God or seen his shape. He is giving a witness and notice HE SAYS AT ANY TIME

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Again, he uses Ye. But i am talking about voice, you, sight.

Its clear that God does not reveal his true form to humans. That is not a point worth arguing.

He can reveal himself and be seen, without you seein his true form.

But this voice thing you keep harping on, there is no proof of that. The bible is full of instances

where god speaks to his people. And you cant make it seem like its not, by showing one verse where

he is talking to a group of people. And it is true, that group of people had not seen god at any time.

 

[beenwize]

Again, he uses Ye. But i am talking about voice, you, sight.
Its clear that God does not reveal his true form to humans. That is not a point worth arguing.
He can reveal himself and be seen, without you seein his true form.
But this voice thing you keep harping on, there is no proof of that. The bible is full of instances
where god speaks to his people. And you cant make it seem like its not, by showing one verse where
he is talking to a group of people. And it is true, that group of people had not seen god at any time.

No matter what u say the scripture speaks for itself

Yahweh was SEEN and HEARD.

Jesus says his Father was NOT seen or heard at any time.

That scripture was Jesus BEARING WITNESS of the Father not directed to 1 person becuz it never indicates if he was speaking to a certain person. It was a general statement.

 

[bignorm73]

No matter what u say the scripture speaks for itself

Yahweh was SEEN and HEARD.

Jesus says his Father was NOT seen or heard at any time.

That scripture was Jesus BEARING WITNESS of the Father not only directed to 1 person becuz it never indicates if he was speaking to a certain person.

a group is not a certain person. Seems like you are saying that it is open to the readers interpretation.

I agree with you. Because when you come in here with " no matter what you say the scripture speaks for itself"

i agree. It does. It speaks that he was not talking about all time or all humanity. He was saying that in that time,

that generation of people had not heard from the father directly or seen him. Which is the reason for his arrival.

Sucks when it dont work for your angle huh?

Anyone can take any writing and do this.

Its not profound. Ill come back in here tomorrow and debate you somemore if you like.

 

[beenwize]

a group is not a certain person. Seems like you are saying that it is open to the readers interpretation.

I agree with you. Because when you come in here with " no matter what you say the scripture speaks for itself"

i agree. It does. It speaks that he was not talking about all time or all humanity. He was saying that in that time,

that generation of people had not heard from the father directly or seen him. Which is the reason for his arrival.

Sucks when it dont work for your angle huh?

Anyone can take any writing and do this.

Its not profound. Ill come back in here tomorrow and debate you somemore if you like.

the scriptures already refuted you so there is no debate. Jesus says God NEVER was seen or heard but the Old Testament differs.

 

[bignorm73]

the scriptures already refuted you so there is no debate. Jesus says God NEVER was seen or heard but the Old Testament differs.

Scriptures dont refute me, you do.

I pointed out what the scriptures say, and the form of the word you that was used, and the context he used, talking about present day.

 

[waterproof]

Scriptures dont refute me, you do.

I pointed out what the scriptures say, and the form of the word you that was used, and the context he used, talking about present day.

Brother bignorm you done schooled beenfooled the father turn his back to him for his wickedness, you ended this 2 pages ago but im going to jump in if you dont mind.

Im going to go post to post and show how he is a fool, he taked those list on the first page from a website and those people like him dont have no knowledge of scripture.

and Im going to end this thread, i see beenfooled use this

John 5 :37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.


as his main agruments and i try to give him time but I WILL SHUT HIS ASS DOWN LIKE I ALWAYS DO BECAUSE HE DONT KNOW OR READ AND KNOW ABOUT THIS VERSE.

but first im going to answer some other bullshit lies and expose his ass again

 

[bignorm73]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Please do.

 

[waterproof]

In the Bible the Old Testament God Yahweh/Jehovah is described as having hands, feet, back parts, and a face... How can someone who is suppose to be an "invisible spirit" have these attributes?

Also in the Old Testament Yahweh/Jehovah was in the Mount with Moses and many ppl heard his "voice" and Moses seen his shape.

In the New Testament Jesus NEVER mentions the name Yahweh and always refers to "Abba, Father" Jesus also states that the Father that sent him we have NEVER seen his shape nor heard his voice at any time... So if the shape of Yahweh was seen and his voice heard in the Old Testament then who is he really? And who is Jesus referring to?

BELOW Jesus says we have NEVER heard or seen the shape of the Father that sent him.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 1:18

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

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BELOW are some examples of Yahweh/Jehovah being seen and heard in the Old Testament and being described as having hands, feet, face and back parts. Keep in mind that he is being describes as having BODY PARTS and not invisible like the Father Jesus was referring too.

Deuteronomy 5:24

And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Exodus 33:22-23

And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Exodus 24:10

And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Deuteronomy 5:22 These are the commandments the LORD proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Exodus 33:20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Exodus 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

Deuteronomy 4:33 Has any other people heard the voice of God speaking out of fire, as you have, and lived?

Im going to save John 5:37 for last because it's to easy for a person who's know scriptures

BELOW are some examples of Yahweh/Jehovah being seen and heard in the Old Testament and being described as having hands, feet, face and back parts. Keep in mind that he is being describes as having BODY PARTS and not invisible like the Father Jesus was referring too.

Deuteronomy 5:24

And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Exodus 33:22-23

And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Exodus 24:10

And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Deuteronomy 5:22 These are the commandments the LORD proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Exodus 33:20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Exodus 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

Deuteronomy 4:33 Has any other people heard the voice of God speaking out of fire, as you have, and lived?

ok Beenfooled list these, first all Brothers and Sisters now take your time and look at these verse and tell me anywhere you see that Jacob aka Hebrew israelites say they seen YAHUWAH FACE??

OK, so the Messiyah Yahushua was correct he is the only one seen his face.

It seem's that beenfooled dont know the difference from his likeness from his face, Yes Yahushua is the only one seen his face.

 

[beenwize]

Im going to save John 5:37 for last because it's to easy for a person who's know scriptures

BELOW are some examples of Yahweh/Jehovah being seen and heard in the Old Testament and being described as having hands, feet, face and back parts. Keep in mind that he is being describes as having BODY PARTS and not invisible like the Father Jesus was referring too.

Deuteronomy 5:24
And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Exodus 33:22-23
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Exodus 24:10
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Deuteronomy 5:22 These are the commandments the LORD proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Exodus 33:20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Exodus 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

Deuteronomy 4:33 Has any other people heard the voice of God speaking out of fire, as you have, and lived?

ok Beenfooled list these, first all Brothers and Sisters now take your time and look at these verse and tell me anywhere you see that Jacob aka Hebrew israelites say they seen YAHUWAH FACE??

OK, so the Messiyah Yahushua was correct he is the only one seen his face.

It seem's that beenfooled dont know the difference from his likeness from his face, Yes Yahushua is the only one seen his face.

Lol the Old Testament God had been SEEN by his back parts, feet, and hand. Moses was also in the mount with Yahweh for 40 days when they say Yahweh WROTE the 10 commandments by hand. The scripture below did not mention the face. It says nobody had seen God at any time but Moses seen him in the Mount. They seen his shape, feet, back parts, and hand.

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 Timothy 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Exodus 33:11
And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Exodus 24:10
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

How can you be seen with hands, feet, and back parts but be invisible at the same time?

1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[beenwize]

ok Beenfooled list these, first all Brothers and Sisters now take your time and look at these verse and tell me anywhere you see that Jacob aka Hebrew israelites say they seen YAHUWAH FACE??

OK, so the Messiyah Yahushua was correct he is the only one seen his face.

It seem's that beenfooled dont know the difference from his likeness from his face, Yes Yahushua is the only one seen his face.

If Yahweh and Jesus are the same then what about this?

Old Testament - YAHWEH

Numbers 21:5

And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

New Testament - JESUS

Luke 11:11

If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

[waterproof]

BELOW are some examples of Yahweh/Jehovah being seen and heard in the Old Testament and being described as having hands, feet, face and back parts. Keep in mind that he is being describes as having BODY PARTS and not invisible like the Father Jesus was referring too.

Deuteronomy 5:24
And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Exodus 33:22-23
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Exodus 24:10
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Deuteronomy 5:22 These are the commandments the LORD proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Exodus 33:20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Exodus 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

Deuteronomy 4:33 Has any other people heard the voice of God speaking out of fire, as you have, and lived?

Now YAHUWAH IS A SPIRIT AND HE'S A CREATOR, THE FATHER can take on any form he's please. He created us so he knows what a hand, feet, arm ect.. is and what the purpose those limbs are for, so if he need to be to manifest he can, if needed be.

but the Father say's seek his face and what he means seek his laws and his love.

Psalm 27 :8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, YHWH, will I seek.


2 Chronicles 7 :14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

but according to the beenfooled some pagan influence doctrine told him that YAHUWAH IS NOT THE SAME AS THE NEW TESTAMENT, something only a demon will tell the willing souls who would accept it, let's see what was said in the New Testament since the first i post was from the Old Testament.

1 John 3 :2 Beloved, now we are children of YHWH; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Matthew 5 :8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see YHWH.

So we see that YAH WILL SHOW his face to his people who seek them and it will be a likeness of him whatever he choose's, he cameto Moses as a Bush, was a Cloud leading Hebrews out of Egypt. He will come to u when you down and out missing a love one like a grandmother and you going through some things and there comes a person who looks like your grandmother and offers wise words, that how he show his face. Or you finally took a look around and see the world beautiful and it's glory for the first time, he showing his face to you.

And it seems that beenfool do not know what figure of speech means, If i said that I felled down to the ground when i was having hard times and Yah came and pick me up with his hands do it means that Yah came down and actually pick me up? No it means that he came and gave me strength and with his strength he picked me up.

 

[beenwize]

Now YAHUWAH IS A SPIRIT AND HE'S A CREATOR, THE FATHER can take on any form he's please. He created us so he knows what a hand, feet, arm ect.. is and what the purpose those limbs are for, so if he need to be to manifest he can, if needed be.

but the Father say's seek his face and what he means seek his laws and his love.

Psalm 27 :8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, YHWH, will I seek.


2 Chronicles 7 :14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

but according to the beenfooled some pagan influence doctrine told him that YAHUWAH IS NOT THE SAME AS THE NEW TESTAMENT, something only a demon will tell the willing souls who would accept it, let's see what was said in the New Testament since the first i post was from the Old Testament.

1 John 3 :2 Beloved, now we are children of YHWH; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Matthew 5 :8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see YHWH.

So we see that YAH WILL SHOW his face to his people who seek them and it will be a likeness of him whatever he choose's, he cameto Moses as a Bush, was a Cloud leading Hebrews out of Egypt. He will come to u when you down and out missing a love one like a grandmother and you going through some things and there comes a person who looks like your grandmother and offers wise words, that how he show his face. Or you finally took a look around and see the world beautiful and it's glory for the first time, he showing his face to you.

And it seems that beenfool do not know what figure of speech means, If i said that I felled down to the ground when i was having hard times and Yah came and pick me up with his hands do it means that Yah came down and actually pick me up? No it means that he came and gave me strength and with his strength he picked me up.

The Name YHWH is nowhere in the New Testaments I've seen so u are adding it at your will. And none of what you typed has anything to do with this thread.

Considering Yahweh is spirit as you say and omnipotent which means everywhere at once then where was he coming from in the verse below? And why is it like he was shocked to see the ppl as one and of one language?

Genesis 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

 

[bignorm73]

If Yahweh and Jesus are the same then what about this?

Old Testament - YAHWEH

Numbers 21:5

And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

New Testament - JESUS

Luke 11:11

If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Ha Ha! The people in the exodus spoke AGAINST god.

Jesuse is talking about the relationship of parents and children.

Children do not speak against parents while asking for food.

they were doubting God, not asking as a child to parents.

 

[beenwize]

Ha Ha! The people in the exodus spoke AGAINST god.
Jesuse is talking about the relationship of parents and children.
Children do not speak against parents while asking for food.
they were doubting God, not asking as a child to parents.

Lol They spake becuz they were hungered.... How would you react at this moment TODAY a God you have never met or seen brought you into a wilderness with your children and you find yourself hungry? Well this is how they reacted. (don't know the exact time frame they asked this question but they were eventually in the wilderness for 40 years)

(Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died)

And as far as Jesus he was speaking to a relationship between Father and children in general... Didn't the Old Testament say Yahweh is the Father of the Israelites?

Luke 11:11
If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

[waterproof]

Deuteronomy 5 :24 And ye said, Behold, YHWH our Elohim hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that Elohim doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Like i said earlier and like scripture says Yah will show his glory in different ways because Man can not see his face but we can see his likeness and hear his voice like scripture say's. And yes Yah do talks with his people.

Exodus 33 :20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

33:21 And YHWH said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.



It's seem like Beenfooled was being serpent like and wicked posting not the whole scripture, Again YAH FACE CAN NOT BE SEEN BY MAN and while he's is walking by in his spirit and glory YAH is going to put Moses in a clift of a rock and will cover him with his hand (a cloud covering or fog) and when YAH walks pass Moses the covering will be lifted and Moses will he see YAH GLORY SPIRIT passing by.

Exodus 24 :10 And they saw the Elohim of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.



Moses and the elders seen Yahuwah presence because he manifest himself to the elders in his glory like he manifest himself to Moses and they describe floors of heaven, heaven in scriptures have stones and gem. They seen the same thing Ezekiel seen

Ezekiel 1 :26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of YHWH. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.



I will finish with the scriptures that beenfooled post and i will deal with the dark cover and all that other lies, i got business to handle

 

[waterproof]

Lol They spake becuz they were hungered.... How would you react at this moment TODAY a God you have never met or seen brought you into a wilderness with your children and you find yourself hungry? Well this is how they reacted. (don't know the exact time frame they asked this question but they were eventually in the wilderness for 40 years)

(Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died)

And as far as Jesus he was speaking to a relationship between Father and children in general... Didn't the Old Testament say Yahweh is the Father of the Israelites?

Luke 11:11
If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

you lying serpent, it was because The Hebrews did not have faith in Yah after all the victories he gave them over the serpent seeds, and the miracles he showed them in egypt and from the red sea, from moses striking the stone and making water ect..

they was being stiff necked and didn't have faith that way.

Numbers 21:7

21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against , and against thee; pray unto YHWH, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.

 

[beenwize]

Deuteronomy 5 :24 And ye said, Behold, YHWH our Elohim hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that Elohim doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Like i said earlier and like scripture says Yah will show his glory in different ways because Man can not see his face but we can see his likeness and hear his voice like scripture say's. And yes Yah do talks with his people.

Exodus 33 :20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

33:21 And YHWH said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.



It's seem like Beenfooled was being serpent like and wicked posting not the whole scripture, Again YAH FACE CAN NOT BE SEEN BY MAN and while he's is walking by in his spirit and glory YAH is going to put Moses in a clift of a rock and will cover him with his hand (a cloud covering or fog) and when YAH walks pass Moses the covering will be lifted and Moses will he see YAH GLORY SPIRIT passing by.

Exodus 24 :10 And they saw the Elohim of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.


Moses and the elders seen Yahuwah presence because he manifest himself to the elders in his glory like he manifest himself to Moses and they describe floors of heaven, heaven in scriptures have stones and gem. They seen the same thing Ezekiel seen

Ezekiel 1 :26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of YHWH. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.



I will finish with the scriptures that beenfooled post and i will deal with the dark cover and all that other lies, i got business to handle

Judges 13:3
And the angel of the Yahweh appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.

Genesis 18:1
And Yahweh appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

Genesis 18:20
And Yahweh said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before Yahweh.

Is that OMNIPOTENT and all knowing???


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Considering Yahweh is spirit as you say and omnipotent which means everywhere at once then where was he coming from in the verse below? And why is it like he was shocked to see the ppl as one and of one language?

Genesis 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

 

[beenwize]

you lying serpent, it was because The Hebrews did not have faith in Yah after all the victories he gave them over the serpent seeds, and the miracles he showed them in egypt and from the red sea, from moses striking the stone and making water ect..

they was being stiff necked and didn't have faith that way.

Numbers 21:7

21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against , and against thee; pray unto YHWH, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.

where did I lie? Jesus SPOKE and what he said is CONTRARY to Yahweh.

 

[beenwize]

you lying serpent, it was because The Hebrews did not have faith in Yah after all the victories he gave them over the serpent seeds, and the miracles he showed them in egypt and from the red sea, from moses striking the stone and making water ect..

they was being stiff necked and didn't have faith that way.

Numbers 21:7

21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against , and against thee; pray unto YHWH, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.

2 Kings 1:10

And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume you and your fifty men. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

Luke 9:54

And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

But Jesus turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

^^^Why is Jesus so contrary to Yahweh in many instances if they are the same?

 

[beenwize]

you lying serpent, it was because The Hebrews did not have faith in Yah after all the victories he gave them over the serpent seeds, and the miracles he showed them in egypt and from the red sea, from moses striking the stone and making water ect..

they was being stiff necked and didn't have faith that way.

Numbers 21:7

21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against , and against thee; pray unto YHWH, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.

Who are they referring to here waterproof about observing special days, months and seasons?

Galatians 4:8-11

Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.

But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces?

Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?

You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.