Was Jesus referring to Yahweh/Jehovah or someone else???

[waterproof]

u still don't realize that you have been programmed to believe that earth history only dates back 6,000 years and we on earth are the only living beings in the cosmos? you need to research DEEP into ancient history dude cuz there is more proof that we are not alone in the universe than there is proof of many of these so called Biblical characters. stop feeding into mind control programming and FREE YOUR MIND! I don't think that aliens gave us scriptures but i understand the difference between darkness & light and the light that Yeshua referred to I do not find in that old testament.

read the article tho...

DUDE JUDAHXULU TOLD YOU THAT 6000 YEARS MEAN THAT MAN WENT TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF MAN THAT WAS BLESS WITH YAH RAUCH it didnt mean that the earth was made it was talking about man.

you quote a person who said she's an alien, im done with you. you is not a student but a alien occultist i am done with you

 

[waterproof]

Why are there two different sets of creation in Genesis with one group being called Elohim angels with the first creation and the latter 2nd group called Yahweh Elohim angels with a different creation?

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

there is two creations in genesis but you dont have understanding and i not going to waste my time on you, judahxulu answered that question for you more than once and you didnt want to listen.

you quoted a person who thinks she is an alien, im done with you,

 

[beenwize]

DUDE JUDAHXULU TOLD YOU THAT 6000 YEARS MEAN THAT MAN WENT TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF MAN THAT WAS BLESS WITH YAH RAUCH it didnt mean that the earth was made it was talking about man.

you quote a person who said she's an alien, im done with you. you is not a student but a alien occultist i am done with you

he gave me his opinion which is one that i do not agree with... It's already been proven that ancient civilizations were more peaceful and more advanced than modern civilization. you don't know this becuz mainstream education do not teach the truth about earth history... man did not go to a higher level within the last 6,000 years but have actually declined from where they were at b4. modern civilzation don't even understand how to nor can replicate the Ancient egyptian pyramids... we have risen higher my ass, the last 6,000 years have been the most evil time on this earth.

[video=youtube;x235Lt_vQEk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x235Lt_vQEk[/video]

 

[waterproof]

he gave me his opinion which is one that i do not agree with... It's already been proven that ancient civilizations were more peaceful and more advanced than modern civilization. you don't know this becuz mainstream education do not teach the truth about earth history... man did not go to a higher level within the last 6,000 years but have actually declined from where they were at b4. modern civilzation don't even understand how to nor can replicate the Ancient egyptian pyramids... we have risen higher my ass, the last 6,000 years have been the most evil time on this earth.

[video=youtube;x235Lt_vQEk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x235Lt_vQEk[/video]

he is a hebrew that know more about hebrew scripture than you will ever will, so if you to stupid to listen what he know and was passdown to him by our ancestors well that's on you.

you think the ancient egyptians was peaceful you aint study about what happen in ancient egypt, you is a joke and you take a word of a person who said she was an alien as gospel like you believe that yah is a demigurge

then a hebrew man who is sane

 

[waterproof]

The King Who Did Not Know Joseph
The king "who did not know Joseph" was likely the indigenous Egyptian who overthrew the Hyksos after about 200 years of their rule. Various time references in Genesis correspond with this, seeming to indicate that the Hebrews were in Egypt for about 200-250 years. Exodus, on the other hand, also reports that only 5 generatons passed between Jacob and Moses (Exodus 6:16-20).

The Exodus writer says it was 430 years, while totaling up years seems to indicate more like 200. Various scholars have commented on this. Some think the 430 years was intended to count the time from Abraham. However, Flavius Josephus quotes the Egyptian historian Manetho as saying the Hyksos ruled Egypt 511 years.

Because the dynasty he had overthrown was Semitic (the Hyksos), and the large population of the Delta area of Goshen were Semitic (the descendants of Jacob), this would further explain Pharaoh's fear of these people. It would have been comparatively early in the 200 years of the Hyksos rule in Egypt when Jacob's family moved into Goshen. (Estimates of the Hyksos Dynasty range from about 110 to almost 200 years.)

Semitic
The Hyksos were the first successful invaders from the east, largely due to their likely use of chariots, which were never used in Egypt prior to the Hyksos period. The Hyksos are thought to have been Semitic, which explains why they would be so open to Canaanites (like Joseph's family) being in the country. Their records show that the Hyksos had Canaanite names like the Hebrews, and their main gods were Canaanite: Baal and Anath. Their name came to be commonly used in the Egyptian language as a synonym for "Asiatic."

This would mean that the people Joseph dealt with were not even "Egyptians" in the proper sense of the indigenous people of Egypt. The king and ruling class would be Semitic people, likely with a similar speech to his. This also explains why "a pharaoh arose who did not know Joseph" – that is, this new king did not like or feel positive about Semite "foreigners." The Egyptians likely associated all the Semites with their foreign rulers.

These factors suggest that the Hyksos were one group of Canaanites. Of course, the term “Canaanite” is a broad term encompassing several ethnic groups over a long period of history. These vagaries and slippery details are the edges of detail that modern historians and others with their approach try to probe to clarify the uncertainties. The term “Canaanite” was used very imprecisely (by modern perspectives and preferences for clear categories).

One underlying problem is that there is still a difference of opinion among scholars of the era on exactly which dynasties were in fact “Hyksos” or exactly who the “Hyksos” really were. The theory of an internal rebellion and dynastic coup is still strong and gaining strength.

The Book of Jubilees comments that the Hyksos were Canaanites, but seems to use the term in a narrower, probably symbolic sense of the oppressors of the Jews. This book uses the Egyptian slavery and exodus story as a backdrop and symbol for the domination of Judea by the world powers – recently the Syrian Seleucid Greeks and the impending Roman domination.

uppin understanding about the hysko's who are not white jews

 

[beenwize]

interesting how the old testament says Yahweh gave the law and spoke himself to Moses but the New Testament says it was done by angels... hmmm

Acts 7:53
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Acts 7:38
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

 

[judahxulu]

All of the major western religions have been proven by scholars to have origins in Africa... You may say Is.Ra.El is someone's interpretation but if it is in the Bible it shows evidence that it is a plagerized text... The true word of god would not contain someones own personal interpretation in it anywhere at all.

Israel is in northeastern africa. The suez canal is manmade..

 

[beenwize]

Here are a few customer reviews from amazon.com of the "Jehovah Unmasked" book...

5.0 out of 5 stars THIS BOOK IS THE KEY!, January 8, 2006
By Bombardier (USA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Jehovah Unmasked! (Paperback)

J

 

[beenwize]

Israel is in northeastern africa. The suez canal is manmade..

yea that land became known as Israel in 1948 but before that there was no land called by that name... In Ancient Egypt the so called chosen ppl were the "children of the sun aka Ra." The original people (blacks) of this earth existed long before the creation of whites around 4,000b.c.. Those original ppl included the Ancient Egyptians, Indians, Mayans, Sumerians, Olmecs and many other civilizations. Some of the main deities of Ancient Egypt were IsIs-Ra-El and Amen... And in my opinion when the Bible says children of Israel it could also be interpreted to mean the "original ppl" of this earth b4 the creation of the other races which occurred around 4,000B.C..

 

[beenwize]

[video=youtube;zsYY0p1w_Zc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYY0p1w_Zc[/video]

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[beenwize]

2 Corinthians 11:14

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

 

[beenwize]

http://xeeatwelve.com/articles/is_bible_devils_tool.html

Is the Bible really the word of God? If your answer is "yes", then is it a perfect rendition of God's word containing no errors whatsoever? In other words, is the Bible infallible?

The doctrine of infallibility has been adopted at times by the Catholic Church, such as when it mandates that the pope is infallible. Anyone who has some understanding of human nature knows that there is not one human who is infallible. Yet, the doctrine stands.

There are those who declare that the Bible is the word of God. Anyone who disagrees with them can expect to be ridiculed, attacked and perhaps be referred to as an agent of Satan. The problem is that people have been so brainwashed by the ruling elite that they will parrot defence of the Bible, regardless of the amount of evidence proving that it is not God's word.

It would assist those trying to make sense of the Bible to consider that there are two voices in the Bible - the Voice of the God of the True Light, the Divine Being of Purity - and the Voice of Darkness. When Darkness speaks, It masquerades as the True Light, which has confounded many readers. When one reads the extant Bible with this understanding, many of the inconsistencies and contradictions dissipate.

Some contradictions in the Bible occur because the two voices are in opposition and are clashing. Other times Darkness has inadvertently placed contradictions into the book - or has intentionally inserted them to cause confusion and unrest.

 

[beenwize]

The two creation accounts of Genesis...

In Genesis 1:1-2:13 God aka Elohim speaks the world into existence and creates male and female.

Generations later in Genesis 2:4-3.5 Lord God aka Yahweh Elohim forms Adam & Eve and the world out of material. Lord God also did not want Adam & Eve to have knowledge of good or evil.. A lion has no knowledge of good or evil. hmmm

 

[beenwize]

2 Corinthians 11:14

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

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[beenwize]

A few reviews of the "Jehovah Unmasked" book.

5.0 out of 5 stars The Mask Is OFF!, January 7, 2006

By Heather Lovely "Hugs!" (USA) - See all my reviews

This review is from: Jehovah Unmasked! (Paperback)

The Mask is off, and who would have thought Satan would be smirking under there? Sound outrageous? When you read this important book and sort things out, it really makes sense. Why would a loving father play mind games, setting traps and making threats in a "Garden of Eden?" It never made sense. I can clearly remember learning the story at a young age and being dubious about this "God." If he didn't want them to eat of the tree, then why was it there? If God was all powerful and loving, why would he not have just concealed the tree altogether so as to avert harm to his children, whom he loves? My own father wouldn't have played such psychological games with me, so why would I trust an invisible, frightening, violent, judgemental Daddy-in-the sky, who would? A Father does not loom and spy, waiting for his child to err.

This book is well researched and clearly illustrates the farce of mistranslation and lies the Old Testament really is. Those who seek the truth, who want the facts, and who hold these efforts as more important than blind faith, will find in the pages of Jehovah Unmasked compelling evidence that God isn't who we thought he was. Those who think for themselves can't help resonate with what the author is pointing out in the pages of this important work.

Does Jesus' message, and the suppressed teachings of his closest disciples, his mother, and of his spiritual wife, Mary Magdalene, have anything in the world to do with the crazed killing machine of the Old Testament? I think not. Read the book, Christians, and come to the ultimate conclusion that it might be far wiser to conduct yourself as a christian than to simply claim you are one. If you really beleive that Jesus' "father" is the dark force of hatred and war in the Old Testament, there is absolutely no hope for us. If you read this book, maybe you'll change your mind, and your heart.

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5.0 out of 5 stars He's god with a small "g" for "genocide", February 10, 2006

By Sophie's Voice (Pacific Northwest) - See all my reviews

This review is from: Jehovah Unmasked! (Paperback)

I just finished reading the book Jehovah Unmasked, and I have to say, the pieces of the puzzle are now all in place, and as I survey this picture, my concern for the future of humanity deepens. It is bone chilling to see how the masses have been duped to support the aspirations of pure evil. The hoax that has been perpetrated here leaves me with conflicted feelings. On the one hand, I feel sorry for those who have been tricked into thinking their way is right, and on the other, I'm furious at the brazen arrogance of the followers who've marched into the rest of the world, as missionaries, the word of this maniac god on their lips. Thanks to them, the poison has spread, uncontained, for centuries now, and the killing, brainwashing, and culture robbing in the name of Jehovah knows no limit.

Nothing in this book surprised me, though I did have goosebumps most of the time I was reading it. The scholarship and questions raised by the author did impress me, however. In a clear and logical process, the author poses many important questions about the inconsistencies in the voices of God from both the Old and New Testaments, showing that they are not the same Father. This I knew. Baby brains on the wall was never what Jesus was about, and some people can't be fooled, I suppose. One is the Father of Infinite Love, and one is an insidious trickster, building an empire. Sad to say, but looking at most of today's adherents of christianity, looks like evil might be winning. Seems people prefer the drama of war and justified genocide to the true teachings of our True Father.

I am recommending this book to everyone I know. It should be disseminated by the millions. It should also be noted that whether the author intended it or not, the material will be widely appreciated by the feminist commnunity and used as a source for many a college paper in this capacity!

 

[bambu]

You should probably read those books yourself instead of just reviews..... BTW a book that is self published does not hold the same weight as work that has been edited by a publishing house.

 

[beenwize]

I've already read the book including portions of the suppressed gnostic gospels... However I had already suspected the same idea before reading those books which sparked my interest into seeking them.

 

[judahxulu]

[video=youtube;zsYY0p1w_Zc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYY0p1w_Zc[/video]

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3 points in the video i'd like to highlight:

1.) How are you going to point out the flaws in someone elses flaws when you have not addressed and transcended your lower self?

2.) She's not speaking about hebrew Israelites who have used to improve themselves and their environment. She makes it clear theres a difference between Hebrews.

3.) You can tell ones spiritual level by their works.

These 3 things go both ways and its funny that I be thinking the SAME things she was saying about all you "exposers" and 'debunkers" out there. like her, youre going by conflicts with personalities and people who dont even follow what they claim to believe. With this in your head, you dont objectively study- you just seek out materials that will only re-confirm your preconceived notions.

But:

1.) Who amongst you has transcended the lower self and can transmit clear counsel on how to duplicate this process in practical reality?

2.) What about the information presenting directly relates to improving yourself and your environment?

3.) What have you done with this information? Where are your good works?

Amongst all the little debates on here, i present these questions in different ways and it is ALLWAYS met with strawman respoonses.

When i produce the evidence of what my spiritual inclination can actualize it goes ignored by the naysayers. Why? Because they are not seeking truth. They just seek enough data to feel comfortable in their own lie of a life. they need an enemy to distract themselves from the enemy within. And its not particular to any specific belief either. i know hebrews, Muslims, Nuwabians, Egyptologists, Christians, buddhists and everything else in between that be on the same bullshit. Either yo bou the light or you not. You shouldn't need to criticize anything outside yourself to show and prove that. When you go out of your way to do so all you show and prove is weakness.

 

[bambu]

I've already read the book including portions of the suppressed gnostic gospels... However I had already suspected the same idea before reading those books which sparked my interest into seeking them.

That's cool....just letting you know that self publishing is frowned upon by scholars. Particularly when the book is non-fiction and has not had to go through editing and peer reviews.

 

[judahxulu]

If an entire book is dedicated to being in opposition to something i feel sorry for you if you think it contains one iota of light. I used to be like that with all the conspiracy theory/illuminati books and films but I realized that shit wasnt helping me. at the end of the day, no matter what somebody has conspired to do, no matter what label you put on yourself- you the only person that gotta be in the skin you in and its YOUR decisions and actions that will make or break your life.

ill be glad when all this kiddie shit leaves this forum so i can discuss things like that with like minded individuals w/o regards for whatever the fuck they label themselves as. humanity is in troube. all the muthafuckas got all these answers and explanation yet the WORLD KEEPS GETTING WORSE---at an exponential rate. im about building. niggas need to study that and raise up to be gods.