Was Jesus referring to Yahweh/Jehovah or someone else???

[beenwize]

I don't fully subscribe to any one doctrine as I am still researching from many sources but this is a very good book to check out to those interested... it has over 60 five star reviews on amazon.com alone.

http://www.amazon.com/Jehovah-Unmasked-Nathaniel-J-Merritt/dp/1411651472

Jehovah Unmasked! [Paperback]
Nathaniel J. Merritt (Author)

From the Publisher
JEHOVAH UNMASKED! The True Identity of the Bible-God Revealed, has been such a success as to warrant a NEW EDITION. This second edition takes the reader even deeper into the truly bizarre side of the Bible. A side you will never hear read from any pulpit anywhere. Come along for a wild ride as the author unfolds to you, in your own Bible, mysteries and weirdness that the churches of Christendom would much rather you remain ignorant of. Be prepared for shock after shock as the light of understanding dawns and you realize how completely YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO by all the churches of Christendom! Read for yourself, IN YOUR OWN BIBLE, the LIES OF GOD in the Garden of Eden AND THE TRUTH TOLD BY THE SERPENT!

From the Author
JEHOVAH UNMASKED was a lifetime in the making. My lifetime. Never one to believe or think what the herd believes or thinks, my life has been one of spiritual searching and discovery. The Jehovah's Witnesses sect was my first sustained experience of religion, and they nearly killed me with their raging murderous Old Testament god of hate and vengeance. After being shunned by the Witnesses I began an intense spiritual odyssey through the Baptist ministry and then the Buddhist priesthood that culminated in my embracing Gnosticism. Join me on my journey and be prepared for the wildest ride imaginable through the pages of the Bible!

 

[judahxulu]

babies had it coming to them?

if their parents did. just like you can observe children inherit their parents mistakes in the present day? it all boils down to mans choice. did the most high kill the baby who was born with underdeveloped lungs because his mom smoked dope? no. his mothers action was the causality. like i said before, if you took time to look at the text thoroughly you would note that there is an original law which is the order of creation, then a law of mans relationship to the material world (be fruitful, multiply, be caretaker of their earth) then an outer law given to the people on a curve according to their diminished understanding.people get javked up because they go against the grain and they can take innocents with them. the text implies we are an ecology of people. we affect one another. when we make bad choices it is us who activate the universal corrective force against ourselves. it has to manifest in physical reality one way or another.

 

[judahxulu]

I haven't found any solid evidence of a black people known as Hebrew Israelites ruling as Kings & Queens of earth from the land of Israel yet I find overwhelming evidence of Ancient Egyptians and other black civilizations such as the Sumerians... If we were to put down all religious literature and look at the archaeology FACTS one would think that the Ancient Egyptians were the greatest black civilization with known evidence from the earth alone and without book. The earth has been here for a very long time and certain civilization records go back to well over 100,000 years yet I am suppose to believe that as soon as god created blacks he has been punishing only us over and over again with slavery while he still allows non black races to rule over us who sin just like us? And this slavery started happening less than 6,000 years ago around the time whites came into existence although blacks had already existed thousands upon thousands of years b4 that? hmmmm something is not adding up with this theory.

Is.Ra.El and Amen are Ancient Egyptians concepts...

Research shows that the Hyksos invaded Egypt and stole their knowledge and became known as the modern day Jews... It's also believed that they plagerized Ancient Egyptian text and other sources to help form modern religion.. This is also stated in their Talmud.

yeah but just because words sounds the same or similar dont mean its the same consept.

 

[judahxulu]

I respect your right to your own belief and everything however I have a different one... I don't wish to live my life dedicated to worship of a deity just based off of reading the Bible alone itself.. Many people are deceived into doing this as they are brainwashed to believe that every word of the Bible or Quran is the 100% inspired word of god and if they don't believe a certain god exist by a particular name based off blind faith and only worship him then they will go to hell for an eternity. I do not need to read a book to know that a Creator exist when my existent proves that a Creator exist but a book telling me this Creator has a name and demands worship is highly suspicious to me especially considering that the earth has existed for millions of years and this book that contains this information has only been in existence for a few thousand years and this certain deity was not worshipped until recently in earth history.. I did countless hours of additional research outside of the Bible from non-biased sources to form my opinion. I looked into suppressed information and other gospels that the powers that be don't promote and many of these sources makes more sense. There is no way I could ever believe a highly promoted book by the government contain the complete truth and history of this world. I never been a religious person but I was first brought into the Bible a few years ago when someone was teaching hebrew israelite doctrine from the Bible. At first I believed off bat based off their interpretation of scripture but when I got to reading on my own and asking questions I knew something was not right so I did additional research. There are many people who have done the same thing and overstand that religion is part of a game by the powers that be. I don't think there is such a thing as "God's Word" on this earth because PRIME CREATOR is UNKNOWABLE and has no gender and no name... Religion has only caused division, war, death, and destruction to this world... the Bible is only one book but it has over 30,000 denominations of Christianity that base it as it's prime source... Most Hebrew Israelites have began to war and send death threats to each other based on Bible arguments. Then many only believe in the Old Testament and believe the New Testament to be false cuz apparently many so called prophecies are questionable. If something causes so much problems and distress to the world that just shows as an example that something is wrong. In the New Testament it says the body is the temple of god so god speaks to us on the inside... I think we find god within not in a external source like a book pushed on the masses.

what does worship mean in hebrew?

 

[beenwize]

if their parents did. just like you can observe children inherit their parents mistakes in the present day? it all boils down to mans choice. did the most high kill the baby who was born with underdeveloped lungs because his mom smoked dope? no. his mothers action was the causality. like i said before, if you took time to look at the text thoroughly you would note that there is an original law which is the order of creation, then a law of mans relationship to the material world (be fruitful, multiply, be caretaker of their earth) then an outer law given to the people on a curve according to their diminished understanding.people get javked up because they go against the grain and they can take innocents with them. the text implies we are an ecology of people. we affect one another. when we make bad choices it is us who activate the universal corrective force against ourselves. it has to manifest in physical reality one way or another.

My belief in a Creator does not come from the words of a book forced upon the world through Inquisitions, slavery, and Crusades... The truth lies within everyone and the true Creator does not kill people. You said that the babies had it coming to them based upon what the parents had done but according to the Old Testament children are not to be put to death for the sins of the father and vice verse.

Deuteronomy 24:16

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

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People need to overstand that they have been fed lies and deception through all areas of life in this world including religion. I always thought to myself how could black people worship the same entity through the Bible that was forced on them by those that enslaved ancestors. The Israeli Jews only believe in the Tanakh and only worship Yahweh, but they condemn Yeshua and the New Testament. And it's suspicious to me that the other gospels of Christ such as Nag Hammadi are against the Old Testament. And when I read the New Testament many scriptures are contrary to the Old Testament still even after the Romans changed the book during the Council of Nicea.

 

[beenwize]

Is.Ra.El aka IsIs, Ra, & El are all Ancient Egyptian concepts... Most of that Bible comes from plagerized text from Egypt and many other sources. I haven't seen any solid evidence of blacks being enslaved in Egypt, it was Hyksos (white ppl) that were kicked out of Egypt... They later invaded it and stole knowledge and complied the Bible and condemned Egypt within this Bible for kicking them out of Egypt. They demonized Egypt within the Bible to get the world and black ppl to hate there own ancient ancestors. When you look at the world today blacks worldwide are being oppressed not just blacks in America so this so called curse on black Americans holds no truth... go take a look at Africa and you will see they are in a worst condition than most American blacks. The Ancient Egyptians and many other black civilizations existed thousands of years before 4,000B.C. when it is claimed that the first white ppl were created.... and there are two different creation stories in the Bible the first one says Elohim and the 2nd one generations later says Yahweh Elohim? hmmm

 

[judahxulu]

My belief in a Creator does not come from the words of a book forced upon the world through Inquisitions, slavery, and Crusades... The truth lies within everyone and the true Creator does not kill people. You said that the babies had it coming to them based upon what the parents had done but according to the Old Testament children are not to be put to death for the sins of the father and vice verse.

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
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People need to overstand that they have been fed lies and deception through all areas of life in this world including religion. I always thought to myself how could black people worship the same entity through the Bible that was forced on them by those that enslaved ancestors. The Israeli Jews only believe in the Tanakh and only worship Yahweh, but they condemn Yeshua and the New Testament. And it's suspicious to me that the other gospels of Christ such as Nag Hammadi are against the Old Testament. And when I read the New Testament many scriptures are contrary to the Old Testament still even after the Romans changed the book during the Council of Nicea.

Were talking two different things. Thought I made it clear I'm speaking about the tanakh. If ure concerned about the sources of the text then maybe u should weigh out the influence of hellenism on the new testament. That's why its different. And I didn't say God kills people. He set up universal law and transmitted info on how to navigate. But whatever...that's on you. I'm happy in my shoes and my spiritual path has brought me nothing but good things.

 

[judahxulu]

Is.Ra.El aka IsIs, Ra, & El are all Ancient Egyptian concepts... Most of that Bible comes from plagerized text from Egypt and many other sources. I haven't seen any solid evidence of blacks being enslaved in Egypt, it was Hyksos (white ppl) that were kicked out of Egypt... They later invaded it and stole knowledge and complied the Bible and condemned Egypt within this Bible for kicking them out of Egypt. They demonized Egypt within the Bible to get the world and black ppl to hate there own ancient ancestors. When you look at the world today blacks worldwide are being oppressed not just blacks in America so this so called curse on black Americans holds no truth... go take a look at Africa and you will see they are in a worst condition than most American blacks. The Ancient Egyptians and many other black civilizations existed thousands of years before 4,000B.C. when it is claimed that the first white ppl were created.... and there are two different creation stories in the Bible the first one says Elohim and the 2nd one generations later says Yahweh Elohim? hmmm

Why are you not aware that the whole is.ra.el thing is someones personal interpretation and not fact? And you got your history twisted. The bible was compiled waaay after the hyksos tenure. africans are jacked up from islam and jesus. Everywhere in africa we outreach to enjoys an improved quality of life derived from us putting our knowledge base into practice. Its on record. And there is plenty oral history floating around west africa about hebres mixing among them. Frequently in africa we are told they've been waiting on us.

 

[beenwize]

Were talking two different things. Thought I made it clear I'm speaking about the tanakh. If ure concerned about the sources of the text then maybe u should weigh out the influence of hellenism on the new testament. That's why its different. And I didn't say God kills people. He set up universal law and transmitted info on how to navigate. But whatever...that's on you. I'm happy in my shoes and my spiritual path has brought me nothing but good things.

The KJV Bible has been distorted not only in the New Testament but in the Old Testament as well. I don't believe in a Creator that kills people. The Creator that Yeshua spoke of in the New Testament does not match the characteristics of Yahweh Elohim when you study the Bible.

Also don't you notice that there are two creations in genesis... The first creation is by a group called Elohim but the 2nd creation is by a group generations later called Yahweh Elohim? hmmmm which is probably why there were ppl ALREADY on earth that Cain spoke of...

Genesis 1:26
And Elohim said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

So Elohim created man in his own image, in the image of Elohim created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:1
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
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Now below Yahweh Elohim begins his creation...

Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the YAHWEH Elohim made the earth and the heavens,

Genesis 2:7
And YAHWEH Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And YAHWEH Elohim planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

 

[beenwize]

Why are you not aware that the whole is.ra.el thing is someones personal interpretation and not fact? And you got your history twisted. The bible was compiled waaay after the hyksos tenure. africans are jacked up from islam and jesus. Everywhere in africa we outreach to enjoys an improved quality of life derived from us putting our knowledge base into practice. Its on record. And there is plenty oral history floating around west africa about hebres mixing among them. Frequently in africa we are told they've been waiting on us.

All of the major western religions have been proven by scholars to have origins in Africa... You may say Is.Ra.El is someone's interpretation but if it is in the Bible it shows evidence that it is a plagerized text... The true word of god would not contain someones own personal interpretation in it anywhere at all.

 

[waterproof]

DAMN they never learn, HYSKO'S are not white people stop taking everything you heard or read with out doing research on your own that's just plain lazy. The Hysko's are from SHEM they are too a semitc people. they are black, they worship the same god as Canaanite's like Baal and Anath. The egypitians called them "Asiatic" that's why Shem descendants and blacks are called BLACK ASIATIC'S even NOI call the black man in american black asiatic, not egyptains and Elijah Muhammad and even Louis Farakhan know that we are hebrews.

Need i post his sermons????? they show aint call us egyptians.

even in the Book of Jubliees it was said that the Hysko's was a group of Canaanite's, but you beenwize right?

 

[beenwize]

it-1 p. 695 Egypt, Egyptian ***

As The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Vol. 14, p. 595) says: “The only detailed account of them [the Hyksos] in any ancient writer is an unreliable passage of a lost work of Manetho, cited by Josephus in his rejoinder to Apion.” Statements attributed by Josephus to Manetho are the source of the name Hyksos. Interestingly, Josephus, claiming to quote Manetho verbatim, presents Manetho’s account as directly connecting the Hyksos with the Israelites. Josephus, it seems, accepts this connection but argues vehemently against many of the details of the account. He seems to prefer the rendering of Hyksos as “captive shepherds” rather than “king-shepherds.” Manetho, according to Josephus, presents the Hyksos as conquering Egypt without a battle, destroying cities and “the temples of the gods,” and causing slaughter and havoc. They are represented as settling in the Delta region. Finally the Egyptians are said to have risen up, fought a long and terrible war, with 480,000 men, besieged the Hyksos at their chief city, Avaris, and then, strangely, reached an agreement allowing them to leave the country unharmed with their families and possessions, whereupon they went to Judea and built Jerusalem.—Against Apion, I, 73-105 (14-16); 223-232 (25, 26).

 

[waterproof]

The King Who Did Not Know Joseph
The king "who did not know Joseph" was likely the indigenous Egyptian who overthrew the Hyksos after about 200 years of their rule. Various time references in Genesis correspond with this, seeming to indicate that the Hebrews were in Egypt for about 200-250 years. Exodus, on the other hand, also reports that only 5 generatons passed between Jacob and Moses (Exodus 6:16-20).

The Exodus writer says it was 430 years, while totaling up years seems to indicate more like 200. Various scholars have commented on this. Some think the 430 years was intended to count the time from Abraham. However, Flavius Josephus quotes the Egyptian historian Manetho as saying the Hyksos ruled Egypt 511 years.

Because the dynasty he had overthrown was Semitic (the Hyksos), and the large population of the Delta area of Goshen were Semitic (the descendants of Jacob), this would further explain Pharaoh's fear of these people. It would have been comparatively early in the 200 years of the Hyksos rule in Egypt when Jacob's family moved into Goshen. (Estimates of the Hyksos Dynasty range from about 110 to almost 200 years.)

Semitic
The Hyksos were the first successful invaders from the east, largely due to their likely use of chariots, which were never used in Egypt prior to the Hyksos period. The Hyksos are thought to have been Semitic, which explains why they would be so open to Canaanites (like Joseph's family) being in the country. Their records show that the Hyksos had Canaanite names like the Hebrews, and their main gods were Canaanite: Baal and Anath. Their name came to be commonly used in the Egyptian language as a synonym for "Asiatic."

This would mean that the people Joseph dealt with were not even "Egyptians" in the proper sense of the indigenous people of Egypt. The king and ruling class would be Semitic people, likely with a similar speech to his. This also explains why "a pharaoh arose who did not know Joseph" – that is, this new king did not like or feel positive about Semite "foreigners." The Egyptians likely associated all the Semites with their foreign rulers.

These factors suggest that the Hyksos were one group of Canaanites. Of course, the term “Canaanite” is a broad term encompassing several ethnic groups over a long period of history. These vagaries and slippery details are the edges of detail that modern historians and others with their approach try to probe to clarify the uncertainties. The term “Canaanite” was used very imprecisely (by modern perspectives and preferences for clear categories).

One underlying problem is that there is still a difference of opinion among scholars of the era on exactly which dynasties were in fact “Hyksos” or exactly who the “Hyksos” really were. The theory of an internal rebellion and dynastic coup is still strong and gaining strength.

The Book of Jubilees comments that the Hyksos were Canaanites, but seems to use the term in a narrower, probably symbolic sense of the oppressors of the Jews. This book uses the Egyptian slavery and exodus story as a backdrop and symbol for the domination of Judea by the world powers – recently the Syrian Seleucid Greeks and the impending Roman domination.

 

[waterproof]

do you know that the christians that came into africa was killing hebrews???? did you know that? do you know that the hebrews ran into spain and portugal to get away from the christians.

no you dont because again you do know shit, do you know that slave traders had to speak hebrew in west africa. you is getting debunk left and right

 

[waterproof]

And stop with you wicked lies calling us christians who serpent, us hebrew got it you dont.

 

[beenwize]

And stop with you wicked lies calling us christians who serpent, us hebrew got it you dont.

You don't got it because you don't understand the deception nor do you know who you worship... You should begin to study outside of biased information that promote so called Bible history... the earth and black civilization has been here for hundreds of thousands of years, not 6,000. blacks were already on earth before whites were created. goat sacrifice? hmmm here is a good read.

http://xeeatwelve.com/articles/is_bible_devils_tool.html

 

[waterproof]

You don't got it because you don't understand the deception nor do you know who you worship... You should begin to study outside of biased information that promote so called Bible history... the earth and black civilization has been here for hundreds of thousands of years, not 6,000. blacks were already on earth before whites were created. goat sacrifice? hmmm here is a good read.

http://xeeatwelve.com/articles/is_bible_devils_tool.html

you do not study nothing this how you study. you take with bambu or lost samuri say's and go fiind and google it, then find you tube links then come back like you got knowledge.

you just said that Hysko's are white, you said aliens came and gave us scriptures and controlling us, i be a fool to listen to you. I research and read and research some more and research some more and then research some more to get understanding.

you didnt even knew that christians came and killed hebrews in africa.

no shit black was on earth before white, this aint new hebrews been have that understanding you is a joke

 

[beenwize]

you do not study nothing this how you study. you take with bambu or lost samuri say's and go fiind and google it, then find you tube links then come back like you got knowledge.

you just said that Hysko's are white, you said aliens came and gave us scriptures and controlling us, i be a fool to listen to you. I research and read and research some more and research some more and then research some more to get understanding.

you didnt even knew that christians came and killed hebrews in africa.

no shit black was on earth before white, this aint knew hebrews been have that understanding you is a joke

Hyksos are white and I'm not going to continue to waste my time becuz sooner or later you will realize the deception. the Bible is a new book to this earth and civilization dates back to hundreds of thousands of years... Lol plz read the article below.

http://xeeatwelve.com/articles/is_bible_devils_tool.html

 

[waterproof]

Hyksos are white and I'm not going to continue to waste my time becuz sooner or later you will realize the deception. the Bible is a new book to this earth and civilization dates back to hundreds of thousands of years... Lol plz read the article below.

http://xeeatwelve.com/articles/is_bible_devils_tool.html

Amitakh Stanford or you serious beenwize, lol............lol.......

DO YOU KNOW THAT Amitakh Stanford SAID THAT SHE'S AN ALIEN WITH A MISSON.

LOL!!!! YOU IS A JOKE AND DO NOT RESEARCH, SHE THINK THAT SHE IS AN ALIEN WITH A MISSON AND YOU GOING TO GIVE ME A LINK ON HER, LOL...... YOU IS LOST AND A FOOL

IM DONE WITH YOU, YOU SECRETLY STILL THINK THAT ALIENS GAVE US SCRIPTURES

 

[beenwize]

Amitakh Stanford or you serious beenwize, lol............lol.......

DO YOU KNOW THAT Amitakh Stanford SAID THAT SHE'S AN ALIEN WITH A MISSON.

IM DONE WITH YOU, YOU SECRETLY STILL THINK THAT ALIENS GAVE US SCRIPTURES

u still don't realize that you have been programmed to believe that earth history only dates back 6,000 years and we on earth are the only living beings in the cosmos? you need to research DEEP into ancient history dude cuz there is more proof that we are not alone in the universe than there is proof of many of these so called Biblical characters. stop feeding into mind control programming and FREE YOUR MIND! I don't think that aliens gave us scriptures but i understand the difference between darkness & light and the light that Yeshua referred to I do not find in that old testament.

read the article tho...