Was Jesus referring to Yahweh/Jehovah or someone else???

[waterproof]

I aint force my views on nobody, but I be damned u going to lie on my father and call him out of his name and used a filthy pagan name yaldaboth in which he's not. You foul pork eating demon, even brother bambu dropped knowledge on your stupid ass and said The mighty el yah is not yaldaboth after u claimed he was and curse the father, u done fucked up bad, you just took the silver pieces out of satan hand, you sealed Ur fate

Bambu asked me a question and I gave him links so he could find it. so he didn't school me on anything. I provided him a link where Bobby Hemmitt broke down the questions he was asking. This is not private intrepretation of my own but a doctrine that has been taught ever since 2,000 or more years ago. And as far as Gnostic teachings that's what some of the earliest Christians believed Christ taught. Were you alive 2,000 years ago? of course not... Again, just cuz their teachings don't agree with your version does not mean it is not valid. There are lots of Gnostic Christians living in the world TODAY and many more that have lived throughout time... But i guess they are damned cuz they believe in something that you don't agree with? How dare you, dude.

You have a sick mind..

Shut up, you said Yhwh was yaldaboth and u curse the most high, you post links from dumbasses like urself that said Yhwh is a demiurge, u done fucked up boy. And bambu just sealed the deal by pointing out that u can't read worth shit and u was lied to, and u did their work, u blasphemy against yah boy, u will be dealt with

 

[beenwize]

Don't bring muslims and nile valley brothers in this devil, your trickery of trying to direct the heat off your lying ass will not work. I break bread with muslims read and own a quran, break bread and build with nile valley brothers like bambu, own the egyptian book of the dead and metur. Some nile valley brothers I break bread with say yahushua is a hebrew and a descendant that spread the gospel of heru. But they never cursed or say anything as vile as you against Yah

Excellent black scholars such as John Henrik Clarke, Cheikh Diop, Dr Ben, etc etc did not all believe or have the same views on what they thought was true. Yet, they didn't go around forcing their views on everyone else or condemning ppl that did not believe what they believed. Fact is none of us living today were alive 2,000 years ago to know what Christ taught. And you can't pick up a book thousands of years later and claim your version of Christ to be the only true version and anybody else who believes anything else should be damned. Nigga, you need to grow up and get out into the world. Their are Biblical scholars living today that say Gnosticism was the original form of Christianity and they also adopted that form as their spiritual belief. But, I guess according to you they should be damned? Again we live in a world with thousands of religions and spiritual beliefs how can you say only what you believe is the way? gtfoh dude. I'm not even saying Gnostic Christanity is the sole truth because there is no way I can confirm that, but I will still continue to research into early Christainity instead of saying the version the powers that be have presented me is the only way.

 

[waterproof]

Don't bring muslims and nile valley brothers in this devil, your trickery of trying to direct the heat off your lying ass will not work. I break bread with muslims read and own a quran, break bread and build with nile valley brothers like bambu, own the egyptian book of the dead and metur. Some nile valley brothers I break bread with say yahushua is a hebrew and a descendant that spread the gospel of heru. But they never cursed or say anything ass vile a you against Yah

Your point is? I don't care who you break bread with you scum of the earth. YOUR TRUTH IS NOT THE SOLE TRUTH FOR EVERYONE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Lol, get that thru your skull.

The Creator made everyone unique in their own way and to find their own path to enlightenment which leads back to the source.

And

Again u wicked fool I have never criticized nobody faith, up will never find or that so stop with ur trickery this is about you lying on yhwh calling him yaldaboth and a demon, u dumb ass u was lead astray. Lol and was prove wrong once again. You curse yah for no reason and u going to reap what u sow

 

[beenwize]

I aint force my views on nobody, but I be damned u going to lie on my father and call him out of his name and used a filthy pagan name yaldaboth in which he's not. You foul pork eating demon, even brother bambu dropped knowledge on your stupid ass and said The mighty el yah is not yaldaboth after u claimed he was and curse the father, u done fucked up bad, you just took the silver pieces out of satan hand, you sealed Ur fate

Bambu asked me a question and I gave him links so he could find it. so he didn't school me on anything. I provided him a link where Bobby Hemmitt broke down the questions he was asking. This is not private intrepretation of my own but a doctrine that has been taught ever since 2,000 or more years ago. And as far as Gnostic teachings that's what some of the earliest Christians believed Christ taught. Were you alive 2,000 years ago? of course not... Again, just cuz their teachings don't agree with your version does not mean it is not valid. There are lots of Gnostic Christians living in the world TODAY and many more that have lived throughout time... But i guess they are damned cuz they believe in something that you don't agree with? How dare you, dude.

You have a sick mind..

Shut up, you said Yhwh was yaldaboth and u curse the most high, you post links from dumbasses like urself that said Yhwh is a demiurge, u done fucked up boy. And bambu just sealed the deal by pointing out that u can't read worth shit and u was lied to, and u did their work, u blasphemy against yah boy, u will be dealt with

Lol, you are a joke.. You sound like a three year old kid. I don't know what type of Creator you worship but the one Yeshua taught of is the one I worship and am always blessed by. And as far as saying Yahweh was the demiurge, yes gnosticsim do teach that he was the demiurge in their gospels. Now again get your cult like brain the heck on. Bobby Hemmitt and many more ppl throughout history have taught it ACCORDING to the gnostic gospels. Didn't nobody say it was the ultimate truth but still I find it crazy that ppl would write 52 text documents of information that had no type of credibility to it. I guess according to you everybody is hellbound. you are in gross darkness. I am loved by the Creator.

 

[waterproof]

I aint force my views on nobody, but I be damned u going to lie on my father and call him out of his name and used a filthy pagan name yaldaboth in which he's not. You foul pork eating demon, even brother bambu dropped knowledge on your stupid ass and said The mighty el yah is not yaldaboth after u claimed he was and curse the father, u done fucked up bad, you just took the silver pieces out of satan hand, you sealed Ur fate

Bambu asked me a question and I gave him links so he could find it. so he didn't school me on anything. I provided him a link where Bobby Hemmitt broke down the questions he was asking. This is not private intrepretation of my own but a doctrine that has been taught ever since 2,000 or more years ago. And as far as Gnostic teachings that's what some of the earliest Christians believed Christ taught. Were you alive 2,000 years ago? of course not... Again, just cuz their teachings don't agree with your version does not mean it is not valid. There are lots of Gnostic Christians living in the world TODAY and many more that have lived throughout time... But i guess they are damned cuz they believe in something that you don't agree with? How dare you, dude.

You have a sick mind..

Shut up, you said Yhwh was yaldaboth and u curse the most high, you post links from dumbasses like urself that said Yhwh is a demiurge, u done fucked up boy. And bambu just sealed the deal by pointing out that u can't read worth shit and u was lied to, and u did their work, u blasphemy against yah boy, u will be dealt with

Lol, you are a joke.. You sound like a three year old kid. I don't know what type of Creator you worship but the one Yeshua taught of is the one I worship and am always blessed by. And as far as saying Yahweh was the demiurge, yes gnosticsim do teach that he was the demiurge in their gospels. Now again get your cult like brain the heck on. Bobby Hemmitt and many more ppl throughout history have taught it ACCORDING to the gnostic gospels.

You can lie to urself all u want, judahxulu and I told you and bambu confirmed it, Yhwh is not yaldaboth the demiurge. Lol, sleep well

 

[beenwize]

I aint force my views on nobody, but I be damned u going to lie on my father and call him out of his name and used a filthy pagan name yaldaboth in which he's not. You foul pork eating demon, even brother bambu dropped knowledge on your stupid ass and said The mighty el yah is not yaldaboth after u claimed he was and curse the father, u done fucked up bad, you just took the silver pieces out of satan hand, you sealed Ur fate

Bambu asked me a question and I gave him links so he could find it. so he didn't school me on anything. I provided him a link where Bobby Hemmitt broke down the questions he was asking. This is not private intrepretation of my own but a doctrine that has been taught ever since 2,000 or more years ago. And as far as Gnostic teachings that's what some of the earliest Christians believed Christ taught. Were you alive 2,000 years ago? of course not... Again, just cuz their teachings don't agree with your version does not mean it is not valid. There are lots of Gnostic Christians living in the world TODAY and many more that have lived throughout time... But i guess they are damned cuz they believe in something that you don't agree with? How dare you, dude.

You have a sick mind..

Shut up, you said Yhwh was yaldaboth and u curse the most high, you post links from dumbasses like urself that said Yhwh is a demiurge, u done fucked up boy. And bambu just sealed the deal by pointing out that u can't read worth shit and u was lied to, and u did their work, u blasphemy against yah boy, u will be dealt with

Lol, you are a joke.. You sound like a three year old kid. I don't know what type of Creator you worship but the one Yeshua taught of is the one I worship and am always blessed by. And as far as saying Yahweh was the demiurge, yes gnosticsim do teach that he was the demiurge in their gospels. Now again get your cult like brain the heck on. Bobby Hemmitt and many more ppl throughout history have taught it ACCORDING to the gnostic gospels.

You can lie to urself all u want, judahxulu and I told you and bambu confirmed it, Yhwh is not yaldaboth the demiurge. Lol, sleep well

yeah you confirmed your beliefs to me... peace

 

[waterproof]

I appreciate the references, but I was just trying to get your interpretation since you support a Christian doctrine.

I think that it is obvious that the seven archons, including Yaldabaoth corresponded to the seven heavens, not the old testament god. However, some of the archons such as Sabaoth and Iao were possibly influenced by the Hebrew god.

Again yaldaboth is not YHWH, all the blasphemy against yah u done is going to come back on you beenfool

 

[beenwize]

I appreciate the references, but I was just trying to get your interpretation since you support a Christian doctrine.

I think that it is obvious that the seven archons, including Yaldabaoth corresponded to the seven heavens, not the old testament god. However, some of the archons such as Sabaoth and Iao were possibly influenced by the Hebrew god.

Again yaldaboth is not YHWH, all the blasphemy against yah u done is going to come back on you beenfool

idiot, the doctrine of Yaldaboth being Yhwh is not a private interpretation I created on my own. This is ACCORDING to early christian gospels from the 1st and 2nd centuries on what many scholars teach were the gospels of Christ. Again, their are many Gnostic Christians that have lived from then until TODAY who practice this form of Christianity. None of us were alive 2,000 years ago to know what he taught so stfu. Lol, you are a nut for real. The Creator is not of darkness as you are. now take your rabbit mind butt to bed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library

The Nag Hammadi library[1] is a collection of early Christian Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945. Twelve leather-bound papyrus codices buried in a sealed jar were found by a local peasant named Mohammed Ali Samman.[2][3] The writings in these codices comprised fifty-two mostly Gnostic treatises, but they also include three works belonging to the Corpus Hermeticum and a partial translation/alteration of Plato's Republic. In his "Introduction" to The Nag Hammadi Library in English, James Robinson suggests that these codices may have belonged to a nearby Pachomian monastery, and were buried after Bishop Athanasius condemned the use of non-canonical books in his Festal Letter of 367 AD.

The contents of the codices were written in the Coptic language, though the works were probably all translations from Greek.[4] The best-known of these works is probably the Gospel of Thomas, of which the Nag Hammadi codices contain the only complete text. After the discovery it was recognized that fragments of these sayings attributed to Jesus appeared in manuscripts discovered at Oxyrhynchus in 1898 (P. Oxy. 1), and matching quotations were recognized in other early Christian sources. Subsequently, a 1st or 2nd century date of composition circa 80 AD has been proposed for the lost Greek originals of the Gospel of Thomas. The buried manuscripts themselves date from the third and forth centuries.

The Nag Hammadi codices are housed in the Coptic Museum in Cairo, Egypt. To read about their significance to modern scholarship into early Christianity, see the Gnosticism article.

 

[beenwize]

The original Christians were esoteric Gnosticism

.......

 

[waterproof]

I appreciate the references, but I was just trying to get your interpretation since you support a Christian doctrine.

I think that it is obvious that the seven archons, including Yaldabaoth corresponded to the seven heavens, not the old testament god. However, some of the archons such as Sabaoth and Iao were possibly influenced by the Hebrew god.

Again yaldaboth is not YHWH, all the blasphemy against yah u done is going to come back on you beenfool

idiot, the doctrine of Yaldaboth being Yhwh is not a private interpretation I created on my own. This is ACCORDING to early christian gospels from the 1st and 2nd centuries on what many scholars teach were the gospels of Christ. Again, their are many Gnostic Christians that have lived from then until TODAY who practice this form of Christianity. None of us were alive 2,000 years ago to know what he taught so stfu. Lol, you are a nut for real. The Creator is not of darkness as you are. now take your rabbit mind butt to bed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library

The Nag Hammadi library[1] is a collection of early Christian Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945. Twelve leather-bound papyrus codices buried in a sealed jar were found by a local peasant named Mohammed Ali Samman.[2][3] The writings in these codices comprised fifty-two mostly Gnostic treatises, but they also include three works belonging to the Corpus Hermeticum and a partial translation/alteration of Plato's Republic. In his "Introduction" to The Nag Hammadi Library in English, James Robinson suggests that these codices may have belonged to a nearby Pachomian monastery, and were buried after Bishop Athanasius condemned the use of non-canonical books in his Festal Letter of 367 AD.

The contents of the codices were written in the Coptic language, though the works were probably all translations from Greek.[4] The best-known of these works is probably the Gospel of Thomas, of which the Nag Hammadi codices contain the only complete text. After the discovery it was recognized that fragments of these sayings attributed to Jesus appeared in manuscripts discovered at Oxyrhynchus in 1898 (P. Oxy. 1), and matching quotations were recognized in other early Christian sources. Subsequently, a 1st or 2nd century date of composition circa 80 AD has been proposed for the lost Greek originals of the Gmixed with gospel of Thomas. The buried manuscripts themselves date from the third and forth centuries.

The Nag Hammadi codices are housed in the Coptic Museum in Cairo, Egypt. To read about their significance to modern scholarship into early Christianity, see the Gnosticism article.

Shut up u stupid ass u interpret the heathen doctrine wrong and made a fool out of urself, it's greek mythology mixed with hebrew doctrine u don't understand shit, u done just fucked up and try save face you done fucked up boy and blasphemy against the most high,

 

[waterproof]

Yaldabaoth (whom gnostics identified as god of old testament)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

A lion-faced deity found on a Gnostic gem in Bernard de Montfaucon’s L’antiquité expliquée et représentée en figures may be a depiction of the Demiurge.

In the Ophite and Sethian systems, which have many affinities with that last mentioned, the making of the world is ascribed to a company of seven archons, whose names are given, but their chief, “Yaldabaoth” (also known as "Yaltabaoth" or "Ialdabaoth") comes into still greater prominence.

In the Apocryphon of John circa 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:

Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas (“fool”), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.[23]

He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. The Demiurge, fearing lest Jesus, whom he had intended as his Messiah, should spread the knowledge of the Supreme God, had him crucified by the Romans. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.

In Pistis Sophia Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. 257, 382). He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame and half darkness.

Yaldabaoth is frequently called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides, with the body of a serpent. We are told also,[24] that the Demiurge is of a fiery nature, the words of Moses being applied to him, “the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire,” a text used also by Simon.[25]

Under the name of Nebro (rebel), Yaldabaoth is called an angel in the apocryphal Gospel of Judas. He is first mentioned in “The Cosmos, Chaos, and the Underworld” as one of the twelve angels to come “into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]”. He comes from heaven, his “face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with blood”. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. These six in turn create another twelve angels “with each one receiving a portion in the heavens.”

Not sure how you figure Yaldabaoth was the god of the old testament, remember the archons?

“The names of glory of those who rule over the seven heavens are these:

Yaldabaoth, called also Saklas and Samael

Saturn.~~~~~~ Later illustrated in the Greek Saturnalia.

Feminine name: Pronoia (Forethought) Sambathas, "week".

Prophets:[9] Moses, Joshua, Amos, Habakkuk.

From Hebrew yalda bahut, "Child of Chaos"? The outermost who created the six others, and therefore the chief ruler and Demiurge par excellence. Called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides.

Iao

Jupiter.

Feminine name: Lordship.

Prophets: Samuel, Nathan, Jonah, Micah.

Perhaps from Yahu, Yahweh, but possibly also from the magic cry iao in the Mysteries.

Sabaoth

Mars.

Feminine name: Deity.

Prophets: Elijah, Joel, Zechariah.

The Old Testament title God of Hosts was thought a proper name, hence Jupiter Sabbas (Yahweh Sabaoth).

Astaphanos, or Astaphaios

Venus.

Feminine name: Sophia (Wisdom).

Prophets: Esdras, Zephaniah.

Astraphaios is beyond doubt the planet Venus, as there are gnostic gems with a female figure and the legend ASTAPHE, which name is also used in magic spells as the name of a goddess.

Adonaios

The Sun.

Feminine name: Kingship.

Prophets: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel.

From the Hebrew term for "the Lord", used of God; Adonis of the Syrians representing the Winter sun in the cosmic tragedy of Tammuz. In the Mandaean system Adonaios represents the Sun.

Elaios, or Ailoaios, or sometimes Ailoein

Mercury.

Feminine name: Jealousy.

Prophets: Tobias, Haggai.

From Elohim, God (El).

Reap

Horaios

The Moon.

Feminine name: Wealth.

Prophets: Michaiah, Nahum.

From Jaroah? or "light"? or Horus?

This is the Seven of the week; these are the ones who govern the world.”

Lol..but but the gnostic christians said, shut up u can't read worth shit, u blasphemy against the most high thought u was onto something going to reap what u sow boy

 

[waterproof]

I appreciate the references, but I was just trying to get your interpretation since you support a Christian doctrine.

I think that it is obvious that the seven archons, including Yaldabaoth corresponded to the seven heavens, not the old testament god. However, some of the archons such as Sabaoth and Iao were possibly influenced by the Hebrew god.

but but but the gnostic christians said, naw stupid ass you just can't read worth a damn and is slow, u done curse Yah because the same people on you tube who is dumb like you with fucked up reading skill said so. U blasphemy boy, called the father out his name u can't go back, so u better just except what's comin

 

[beenwize]

I appreciate the references, but I was just trying to get your interpretation since you support a Christian doctrine.

I think that it is obvious that the seven archons, including Yaldabaoth corresponded to the seven heavens, not the old testament god. However, some of the archons such as Sabaoth and Iao were possibly influenced by the Hebrew god.

Again yaldaboth is not YHWH, all the blasphemy against yah u done is going to come back on you beenfool

idiot, the doctrine of Yaldaboth being Yhwh is not a private interpretation I created on my own. This is ACCORDING to early christian gospels from the 1st and 2nd centuries on what many scholars teach were the gospels of Christ. Again, their are many Gnostic Christians that have lived from then until TODAY who practice this form of Christianity. None of us were alive 2,000 years ago to know what he taught so stfu. Lol, you are a nut for real. The Creator is not of darkness as you are. now take your rabbit mind butt to bed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library

The Nag Hammadi library[1] is a collection of early Christian Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945. Twelve leather-bound papyrus codices buried in a sealed jar were found by a local peasant named Mohammed Ali Samman.[2][3] The writings in these codices comprised fifty-two mostly Gnostic treatises, but they also include three works belonging to the Corpus Hermeticum and a partial translation/alteration of Plato's Republic. In his "Introduction" to The Nag Hammadi Library in English, James Robinson suggests that these codices may have belonged to a nearby Pachomian monastery, and were buried after Bishop Athanasius condemned the use of non-canonical books in his Festal Letter of 367 AD.

The contents of the codices were written in the Coptic language, though the works were probably all translations from Greek.[4] The best-known of these works is probably the Gospel of Thomas, of which the Nag Hammadi codices contain the only complete text. After the discovery it was recognized that fragments of these sayings attributed to Jesus appeared in manuscripts discovered at Oxyrhynchus in 1898 (P. Oxy. 1), and matching quotations were recognized in other early Christian sources. Subsequently, a 1st or 2nd century date of composition circa 80 AD has been proposed for the lost Greek originals of the Gmixed with gospel of Thomas. The buried manuscripts themselves date from the third and forth centuries.

The Nag Hammadi codices are housed in the Coptic Museum in Cairo, Egypt. To read about their significance to modern scholarship into early Christianity, see the Gnosticism article.

Shut up u stupid ass u interpret the heathen doctrine wrong and made a fool out of urself, it's greek mythology mixed with hebrew doctrine u don't understand shit, u done just fucked up and try save face you done fucked up boy and blasphemy against the most high,

are you still here crying? Lmbo damn shame. Haha

It's funny looking at a religious nut as yourself who knows nothing whatsoever regarding the Creator. Only a fool puts the CREATOR in a box and expects its ways to be of a religious zealot human. You need to learn some spiritually u heathen... You are none other than the son of Yaldabaoth.

 

[bambu]

I appreciate the references, but I was just trying to get your interpretation since you support a Christian doctrine.

I think that it is obvious that the seven archons, including Yaldabaoth corresponded to the seven heavens, not the old testament god. However, some of the archons such as Sabaoth and Iao were possibly influenced by the Hebrew god.

Again yaldaboth is not YHWH, all the blasphemy against yah u done is going to come back on you beenfool

idiot, the doctrine of Yaldaboth being Yhwh is not a private interpretation I created on my own. This is ACCORDING to early christian gospels from the 1st and 2nd centuries on what many scholars teach were the gospels of Christ. Again, their are many Gnostic Christians that have lived from then until TODAY who practice this form of Christianity. None of us were alive 2,000 years ago to know what he taught so stfu. Lol, you are a nut for real. The Creator is not of darkness as you are. now take your rabbit mind butt to bed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library

The Nag Hammadi library[1] is a collection of early Christian Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945. Twelve leather-bound papyrus codices buried in a sealed jar were found by a local peasant named Mohammed Ali Samman.[2][3] The writings in these codices comprised fifty-two mostly Gnostic treatises, but they also include three works belonging to the Corpus Hermeticum and a partial translation/alteration of Plato's Republic. In his "Introduction" to The Nag Hammadi Library in English, James Robinson suggests that these codices may have belonged to a nearby Pachomian monastery, and were buried after Bishop Athanasius condemned the use of non-canonical books in his Festal Letter of 367 AD.

The contents of the codices were written in the Coptic language, though the works were probably all translations from Greek.[4] The best-known of these works is probably the Gospel of Thomas, of which the Nag Hammadi codices contain the only complete text. After the discovery it was recognized that fragments of these sayings attributed to Jesus appeared in manuscripts discovered at Oxyrhynchus in 1898 (P. Oxy. 1), and matching quotations were recognized in other early Christian sources. Subsequently, a 1st or 2nd century date of composition circa 80 AD has been proposed for the lost Greek originals of the Gospel of Thomas. The buried manuscripts themselves date from the third and forth centuries.

The Nag Hammadi codices are housed in the Coptic Museum in Cairo, Egypt. To read about their significance to modern scholarship into early Christianity, see the Gnosticism article.

You have provided zero evidence that Yaldaboth is connected to the Hebrew god. (even in your references)

I do not really consider video a research tool, but I am afraid that some people do not have good reading comprehension skills (hard-headed have to see it to believe it)


P.S. you cannot be sure that none of us were here 2000 years ago.....HOTEP

 

[beenwize]

I appreciate the references, but I was just trying to get your interpretation since you support a Christian doctrine.

I think that it is obvious that the seven archons, including Yaldabaoth corresponded to the seven heavens, not the old testament god. However, some of the archons such as Sabaoth and Iao were possibly influenced by the Hebrew god.

Again yaldaboth is not YHWH, all the blasphemy against yah u done is going to come back on you beenfool

idiot, the doctrine of Yaldaboth being Yhwh is not a private interpretation I created on my own. This is ACCORDING to early christian gospels from the 1st and 2nd centuries on what many scholars teach were the gospels of Christ. Again, their are many Gnostic Christians that have lived from then until TODAY who practice this form of Christianity. None of us were alive 2,000 years ago to know what he taught so stfu. Lol, you are a nut for real. The Creator is not of darkness as you are. now take your rabbit mind butt to bed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library

The Nag Hammadi library[1] is a collection of early Christian Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945. Twelve leather-bound papyrus codices buried in a sealed jar were found by a local peasant named Mohammed Ali Samman.[2][3] The writings in these codices comprised fifty-two mostly Gnostic treatises, but they also include three works belonging to the Corpus Hermeticum and a partial translation/alteration of Plato's Republic. In his "Introduction" to The Nag Hammadi Library in English, James Robinson suggests that these codices may have belonged to a nearby Pachomian monastery, and were buried after Bishop Athanasius condemned the use of non-canonical books in his Festal Letter of 367 AD.

The contents of the codices were written in the Coptic language, though the works were probably all translations from Greek.[4] The best-known of these works is probably the Gospel of Thomas, of which the Nag Hammadi codices contain the only complete text. After the discovery it was recognized that fragments of these sayings attributed to Jesus appeared in manuscripts discovered at Oxyrhynchus in 1898 (P. Oxy. 1), and matching quotations were recognized in other early Christian sources. Subsequently, a 1st or 2nd century date of composition circa 80 AD has been proposed for the lost Greek originals of the Gospel of Thomas. The buried manuscripts themselves date from the third and forth centuries.

The Nag Hammadi codices are housed in the Coptic Museum in Cairo, Egypt. To read about their significance to modern scholarship into early Christianity, see the Gnosticism article.

You have provided zero evidence that Yaldaboth is connected to the Hebrew god. (even in your references)

I do not really consider video a research tool, but I am afraid that some people do not have good reading comprehension skills (hard-headed have to see it to believe it)


P.S. you cannot be sure that none of us were here 2000 years ago.....HOTEP

I've never claimed the New Testament gospels to be exactly accurate according to history. I've already said that they were compiled and revised by the Roman Catholic church. And as far as Yaldabatoh being identified is the hebrew god, that is not of a private interpretation (did you not read or comprehend this before? :/) If you really want a answer to your question research into early Gnostic Christianity because they identified this over 2,000 years ago according to their gospels, it's not a new thing that just came out recently from a private source, duh. And thanks but no thanks for you Acharya S | D.M. Murdock youtube video, she is an atheist who denies the historical existence of Yeshua and does not believe any of the Bible anyway.

But hey if you going to support Acharya S as being a reliable source you should also look up what she teaches regarding the Old Testament and the hebrew god. She says he was known as Baal before being known as Yahweh.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/anunnaki.htm

Yahweh

Also, the biblical god Yahweh is not a person, alien or otherwise. "He" too is in large part a solar myth. Regarding Yahweh, the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

"It seems likely that the name of Ea, or Ya, or Aa, the oldest god of the Babylonian Pantheon, is connected with the name Jahve, Jahu, or Ja, of the Old Testament."

The Babylonian "Ea" is equivalent to Enlil, whom, as we have seen, is a sun god.

(The following regarding Yahweh is an excerpt from The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold by Acharya S .)

Prior to being labeled Yahweh, the Israelite god was called "Baal." signifying the sun in the Age of Taurus. When the sun passed into Aries, "the Lord's" name was changed to the Egyptian Iao, which became YHWH, IEUE, Yahweh, Jahweh, Jehovah and Jah. This ancient name "IAO/Iao" represents the totality of "God," as the "I" symbolizes unity, the "a" is the "alpha" or beginning, while the "o" is the "omega" or end.

In fact, the name Yahweh, Iao or any number of variants thereof can be found in several cultures:

"In Phoenicia the Sun was known as Adonis...identical with Iao, or, according to the Chinese faith, Yao (Jehovah), the Sun, who makes his appearance in the world 'at midnight of the twenty-fourth day of the twelfth month.'"

YHWH/IEUE was additionally the Egyptian sun god Ra:

"Ra was the father in heaven, who has the title of 'Huhi' the eternal, from which the Hebrews derived the name 'Ihuh.'"

Thus, the tetragrammaton or sacred name of God IAO/IEUE/YHWH is very old, pre-Israelite, and can be etymologically linked to numerous gods, even to "Jesus," or "Yahushua," whose name means "salvation" or "Iao/YHWH saves."

Yahweh had yet another aspect to "his" persona, as at some early stage the "sacred tetragrammaton" of "God" was bi-gendered. As Walker states:

"Jewish mystical tradition viewed the original Jehovah as an androgyne, his/her name compounded as Jah (jod) and the pre-Hebraic name of Eve, Havah or Hawah, rendered he-vau-he- in Hebrew letters. The four letters together made the sacred tetragrammaton, YHWH, the secret name of God.... The Bible contains many plagiarized excerpts from earlier hymns and prayers to Ishtar and other Goddess figures, with the name of Yahweh substituted for that of the female deity."

Thus, even Yahweh was at one time plural, but "he" eventually became an all-male, sky god. This singular Yahweh was a warrior god, representing the sun in Aries, which is ruled by the warlike Mars and symbolized by the Ram-the same symbolic ram "caught in a thicket" near Abraham and used by him as a replacement sacrifice for his son Isaac. This warrior god Yahweh was not only Jealous but Zealous, as his name is rendered in Young's Literal Translation:

"...for ye do not bow yourselves to another god-for Jehovah, whose name [is] Zealous, is a zealous God." (Exodus 34:14)

In fact, the same word in Hebrew is used for both jealous and zealous, although is transliterated differently, "qanna" being jealous and "qana," zealous. As El Elyon was but one of the Canaanite Elohim, the Most High God, so was "Yahweh," as "El Qanna," the Jealous/Zealous God, which is why in the Old Testament he keeps sticking his nose in and shouting at everyone. The title "Jealous/Zealous" is also appropriate for a god represented by a volcano, as was Yahweh by the smoky and fiery Mt. Sinai. Hence, Yahweh's followers themselves were intolerant and hotheaded zealots.
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[bambu]

The only reason I posted that video is because you act like you cannot read any referenced materials. And if it is not your interpretation, why do you keep spilling all over this board?

I do not have any questions to be answered, again...you post views that are not yours with no references.

It appears that you should be looking for answers, you support a Christian doctrine, but jumped subjects when brother samurais brought it up.

and that goofball who attempted to refute Acharya's research failed miserably.

 

[beenwize]

The only reason I posted that video is because you act like you cannot read any referenced materials. And if it is not your interpretation, why do you keep spilling all over this board?

I do not have any questions to be answered, again...you post views that are not yours with no references.

It appears that you should be looking for answers, you support a Christian doctrine, but jumped subjects when brother samurais brought it up.

and that goofball who attempted to refute Acharya's research failed miserably.

If you don't believe any of the New Testament gospels then that's 'your truth.' I could care less what you believe is accurate according to history. And yes, I've already read referenced materials, you should try looking up some yourself if you are seeking information, that's what I do. You found a video that attempts to debunk the New Testament so nothing should be stopping you from conducting other research. But hey Acharya S also teaches that Yahweh was known as Baal and teaches against the Old Testament being accurate to history as well. So much for who you rely on.

And that goofball is not the only one who refuted the atheist Acharya, that was part 1 of his video first of all and many others have refuted her as well.

 

[bambu]

The only reason I posted that video is because you act like you cannot read any referenced materials. And if it is not your interpretation, why do you keep spilling all over this board?

I do not have any questions to be answered, again...you post views that are not yours with no references.

It appears that you should be looking for answers, you support a Christian doctrine, but jumped subjects when brother samurais brought it up.

and that goofball who attempted to refute Acharya's research failed miserably.

If you don't believe any of the New Testament gospels then that's 'your truth.' I could care less what you believe is accurate according to history. And yes, I've already read referenced materials, you should try looking up some yourself if you are seeking information, that's what I do. You found a video that attempts to debunk the New Testament so nothing should be stopping you from conducting other research. But hey Acharya S also teaches that Yahweh was known as Baal and teaches against the Old Testament being accurate to history as well. So much for who you rely on.

And that goofball is not the only one who refuted the atheist Acharya, that was part 1 of his video first of all and many others have refuted her as well.

You are a fool if you think that Acharya has "my truth." I told you I only posted the video because you do not read well.

I am a historian, so any historical inaccuracies surrounding any religion are on my radar.

And I see what you did there..... Attempting to divert the historical heat away from your anointed one. How dare you attack my Hebrew brothers when you uphold a faulty doctrine. We have already had several discussions concerning Hebrew beliefs. Defend your research and beliefs or GTFOHWTBS!!!!

 

[beenwize]

The only reason I posted that video is because you act like you cannot read any referenced materials. And if it is not your interpretation, why do you keep spilling all over this board?

I do not have any questions to be answered, again...you post views that are not yours with no references.

It appears that you should be looking for answers, you support a Christian doctrine, but jumped subjects when brother samurais brought it up.

and that goofball who attempted to refute Acharya's research failed miserably.

If you don't believe any of the New Testament gospels then that's 'your truth.' I could care less what you believe is accurate according to history. And yes, I've already read referenced materials, you should try looking up some yourself if you are seeking information, that's what I do. You found a video that attempts to debunk the New Testament so nothing should be stopping you from conducting other research. But hey Acharya S also teaches that Yahweh was known as Baal and teaches against the Old Testament being accurate to history as well. So much for who you rely on.

And that goofball is not the only one who refuted the atheist Acharya, that was part 1 of his video first of all and many others have refuted her as well.

You are a fool if you think that Acharya has "my truth." I told you I only posted the video because you do not read well.

I am a historian, so any historical inaccuracies surrounding any religion are on my radar.

And I see what you did there..... Attempting to divert the historical heat away from your anointed one. How dare you attack my Hebrew brothers when you uphold a faulty doctrine. We have already had several discussions concerning Hebrew beliefs. Defend your research and beliefs or GTFOHWTBS!!!!

It appears you are only in this thread seeking some attention. If Acharya research is not your version of truth then don't post Acharya research in this thread or present it as a reliable source for someone to trust in. I could care less about her or your views on the historical accuracy of the New Testament or Yeshua. And nobody is in here attacking anyone, but you and others who don't agree with your version of truth. You slithering in here like a snake into an exchange between myself and someone else just to try to gain attention and to start an altercation. I smelled you a million miles away. Lol, I have my own views and they have their own views. This is my thread so I will continue to post my research, I'm not in your thread attempting to force my views on you am I? Now get your wack fake historian ass out of here with your faulty Yeshua/Horus connection doctrines. And once again for the real dummy that cannot read, Yaldabaoth being the hebrew god is not of any private interpretation or research.. THIS HAS BEEN TAUGHT EVER SENSE 2,000 YEARS AGO ACCORDING TO THE EARLY GNOSTIC GOSPELS. Again if you want to know the exact connection then simply do some RESEARCH into how they made the connection. How hard is that?

 

[waterproof]

The only reason I posted that video is because you act like you cannot read any referenced materials. And if it is not your interpretation, why do you keep spilling all over this board?

I do not have any questions to be answered, again...you post views that are nfrot yours with no references.

It appears that you should be looking for answers, you support a Christian doctrine, but jumped subjects when brother samurais brought it up.

and that goofball who attempted to refute Acharya's research failed miserably.

If you don't believe any of the New Testament gospels then that's 'your truth.' I could care less what you believe is accurate according to history. And yes, I've already read referenced materials, you should try looking up some yourself if you are seeking information, that's what I do. You found a video that attempts to debunk the New Testament so nothing should be stopping you from conducting other research. But hey Acharya S also teaches that Yahweh was known as Baal and teaches against the Old Testament being accurate to history as well. So much for who you rely on.

And that goofball is not the only one who refuted the atheist Acharya, that was part 1 of his video first of all and many others have refuted her as well.

You are a fool if you think that Acharya has "my truth." I told you I only posted the video because you do not read well.

I am a historian, so any historical inaccuracies surrounding any religion are on my radar.

And I see what you did there..... Attempting to divert the historical heat away from your anointed one. How dare you attack my Hebrew bothers when you uphold a faulty doctrine. We have already had several discussions concerning Hebrew beliefs. Defend your research and beliefs or GTFOHWTBS!!!!

Shalom @ brother @bambu it's a blessing to have your knowledge in this thread coming from a nile valley brother, brother he try to use the nile valley ancestors as a cop out when his back against the wall. When we expose the faults in the pauline hellenist influence he then run to the greek heathen influence sophia influence gnostic christanity, when we shut that door he runs to ancient egyptians spiritual nile valley, trying to put us, brothers in blood and spirit against each other, but it won't work. Brothers defend each other against wickedness and those who cause stryfe