Was Jesus referring to Yahweh/Jehovah or someone else???

[bambu]

We already did this one B,http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/432689/the-nag-hammadi-text-and-the-sethianism/p2

what about the anointed?

 

[bambu]

Yaldabaoth (whom gnostics identified as god of old testament)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

A lion-faced deity found on a Gnostic gem in Bernard de Montfaucon’s L’antiquité expliquée et représentée en figures may be a depiction of the Demiurge.

In the Ophite and Sethian systems, which have many affinities with that last mentioned, the making of the world is ascribed to a company of seven archons, whose names are given, but their chief, “Yaldabaoth” (also known as "Yaltabaoth" or "Ialdabaoth") comes into still greater prominence.

In the Apocryphon of John circa 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:

Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas (“fool”), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.[23]

He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. The Demiurge, fearing lest Jesus, whom he had intended as his Messiah, should spread the knowledge of the Supreme God, had him crucified by the Romans. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.

In Pistis Sophia Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. 257, 382). He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame and half darkness.

Yaldabaoth is frequently called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides, with the body of a serpent. We are told also,[24] that the Demiurge is of a fiery nature, the words of Moses being applied to him, “the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire,” a text used also by Simon.[25]

Under the name of Nebro (rebel), Yaldabaoth is called an angel in the apocryphal Gospel of Judas. He is first mentioned in “The Cosmos, Chaos, and the Underworld” as one of the twelve angels to come “into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]”. He comes from heaven, his “face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with blood”. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. These six in turn create another twelve angels “with each one receiving a portion in the heavens.”

Not sure how you figure Yaldabaoth was the god of the old testament, remember the archons?

“The names of glory of those who rule over the seven heavens are these:

Yaldabaoth, called also Saklas and Samael

Saturn.~~~~~~ Later illustrated in the Greek Saturnalia.

Feminine name: Pronoia (Forethought) Sambathas, "week".

Prophets:[9] Moses, Joshua, Amos, Habakkuk.

From Hebrew yalda bahut, "Child of Chaos"? The outermost who created the six others, and therefore the chief ruler and Demiurge par excellence. Called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides.

Iao

Jupiter.

Feminine name: Lordship.

Prophets: Samuel, Nathan, Jonah, Micah.

Perhaps from Yahu, Yahweh, but possibly also from the magic cry iao in the Mysteries.

Sabaoth

Mars.

Feminine name: Deity.

Prophets: Elijah, Joel, Zechariah.

The Old Testament title God of Hosts was thought a proper name, hence Jupiter Sabbas (Yahweh Sabaoth).

Astaphanos, or Astaphaios

Venus.

Feminine name: Sophia (Wisdom).

Prophets: Esdras, Zephaniah.

Astraphaios is beyond doubt the planet Venus, as there are gnostic gems with a female figure and the legend ASTAPHE, which name is also used in magic spells as the name of a goddess.

Adonaios

The Sun.

Feminine name: Kingship.

Prophets: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel.

From the Hebrew term for "the Lord", used of God; Adonis of the Syrians representing the Winter sun in the cosmic tragedy of Tammuz. In the Mandaean system Adonaios represents the Sun.

Elaios, or Ailoaios, or sometimes Ailoein

Mercury.

Feminine name: Jealousy.

Prophets: Tobias, Haggai.

From Elohim, God (El).

Horaios

The Moon.

Feminine name: Wealth.

Prophets: Michaiah, Nahum.

From Jaroah? or "light"? or Horus?

This is the Seven of the week; these are the ones who govern the world.”

 

[beenwize]

bambu, it's not my opinon.. you can check these sites tho.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah07.htm

Bobby Hemmitt breaks it all down at the link below... It's a 13 part series.
http://www.rbgtube.com/play.php?vid=5057

.

 

[bambu]

Yaldabaoth (whom gnostics identified as god of old testament)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

A lion-faced deity found on a Gnostic gem in Bernard de Montfaucon’s L’antiquité expliquée et représentée en figures may be a depiction of the Demiurge.

In the Ophite and Sethian systems, which have many affinities with that last mentioned, the making of the world is ascribed to a company of seven archons, whose names are given, but their chief, “Yaldabaoth” (also known as "Yaltabaoth" or "Ialdabaoth") comes into still greater prominence.

In the Apocryphon of John circa 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:

Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas (“fool”), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.[23]

He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. The Demiurge, fearing lest Jesus, whom he had intended as his Messiah, should spread the knowledge of the Supreme God, had him crucified by the Romans. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.

In Pistis Sophia Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. 257, 382). He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame and half darkness.

Yaldabaoth is frequently called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides, with the body of a serpent. We are told also,[24] that the Demiurge is of a fiery nature, the words of Moses being applied to him, “the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire,” a text used also by Simon.[25]

Under the name of Nebro (rebel), Yaldabaoth is called an angel in the apocryphal Gospel of Judas. He is first mentioned in “The Cosmos, Chaos, and the Underworld” as one of the twelve angels to come “into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]”. He comes from heaven, his “face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with blood”. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. These six in turn create another twelve angels “with each one receiving a portion in the heavens.”

Not sure how you figure Yaldabaoth was the god of the old testament, remember the archons?

“The names of glory of those who rule over the seven heavens are these:

Yaldabaoth, called also Saklas and Samael

Saturn.~~~~~~ Later illustrated in the Greek Saturnalia.

Feminine name: Pronoia (Forethought) Sambathas, "week".

Prophets:[9] Moses, Joshua, Amos, Habakkuk.

From Hebrew yalda bahut, "Child of Chaos"? The outermost who created the six others, and therefore the chief ruler and Demiurge par excellence. Called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides.

Iao

Jupiter.

Feminine name: Lordship.

Prophets: Samuel, Nathan, Jonah, Micah.

Perhaps from Yahu, Yahweh, but possibly also from the magic cry iao in the Mysteries.

Sabaoth

Mars.

Feminine name: Deity.

Prophets: Elijah, Joel, Zechariah.

The Old Testament title God of Hosts was thought a proper name, hence Jupiter Sabbas (Yahweh Sabaoth).

Astaphanos, or Astaphaios

Venus.

Feminine name: Sophia (Wisdom).

Prophets: Esdras, Zephaniah.

Astraphaios is beyond doubt the planet Venus, as there are gnostic gems with a female figure and the legend ASTAPHE, which name is also used in magic spells as the name of a goddess.

Adonaios

The Sun.

Feminine name: Kingship.

Prophets: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel.

From the Hebrew term for "the Lord", used of God; Adonis of the Syrians representing the Winter sun in the cosmic tragedy of Tammuz. In the Mandaean system Adonaios represents the Sun.

Elaios, or Ailoaios, or sometimes Ailoein

Mercury.

Feminine name: Jealousy.

Prophets: Tobias, Haggai.

From Elohim, God (El).

Horaios

The Moon.

Feminine name: Wealth.

Prophets: Michaiah, Nahum.

From Jaroah? or "light"? or Horus?

This is the Seven of the week; these are the ones who govern the world.”

 

[beenwize]

bambu, it's not my opinon.. you can check these sites tho.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah07.htm

Bobby Hemmitt breaks it all down at the link below... It's a 13 part series.
http://www.rbgtube.com/play.php?vid=5057

.

If you looking for a answer to your question, go ahead and click the links above.

 

[bambu]

I appreciate the references, but I was just trying to get your interpretation since you support a Christian doctrine.

I think that it is obvious that the seven archons, including Yaldabaoth corresponded to the seven heavens, not the old testament god. However, some of the archons such as Sabaoth and Iao were possibly influenced by the Hebrew god.

 

[beenwize]

Oh ok, the early Gnostic Christians taught a different story. I don't carry any private interpretations.

 

[waterproof]

Bambu just schooled your silly ass, you non reading ass dummy. Your ass was lying on Yahushua and blasphemy against Yhwh, going crazy out your demon infested mind, those gnostic was greek influence heathen who mixed greek mythology with hebrew doctrine. I and judahxulu told ur silly ass.

 

[waterproof]

@bambu great job on your work and misson you on and continue your work brother the ancestors are proud

 

[waterproof]

bambu, it's not my opinon.. you can check these sites tho.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah07.htm

Bobby Hemmitt breaks it all down at the link below... It's a 13 part series.
http://www.rbgtube.com/play.php?vid=5057

.

Lying ass devil don't let me quote you when you said that you believe that the gnostic story is the truth when your stupid ass couldn't see that they gave their gods hebrew sounding names. If you read the books that was taken out the tanach you would of seen why some hebrews was forced to take on the greek gods. You blasphemy and for ur lies and wickedness you going to pay you make urself look like a complete ass like brother judahxulu said for every searching spirit you mislead you will continue to add years of pain to ur life, you done fucked up boy, you let evil spirits lead you to destruction. Yaldaboth is not Yhwh, and you lied and curse the father you dumb ass, those demons used you and got what they wanted, your soul. And u deserve it

 

[ascen2012]

The original Christians were esoteric Gnosticism

 

[waterproof]

The original Christians were esoteric Gnosticism

I see where you going at but the word esoteric is a greek word and it got a meaning to it that I don't agree with but I can see why they gave the hebrew who followed and was taught by Yahushua the essenes and ebonites that because they know and used hebrew science the same yahushua used to heal

 

[beenwize]

bambu, it's not my opinon.. you can check these sites tho.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah07.htm

Bobby Hemmitt breaks it all down at the link below... It's a 13 part series.
http://www.rbgtube.com/play.php?vid=5057

.

Lying ass devil don't let me quote you when you said that you believe that the gnostic story is the truth when your stupid ass couldn't see that they gave their gods hebrew sounding names. If you read the books that was taken out the tanach you would of seen why some hebrews was forced to take on the greek gods. You blasphemy and for ur lies and wickedness you going to pay you make urself look like a complete ass like brother judahxulu said for every searching spirit you mislead you will continue to add years of pain to ur life, you done fucked up boy, you let evil spirits lead you to destruction. Yaldaboth is not Yhwh, and you lied and curse the father you dumb ass, those demons used you and got what they wanted, your soul. And u deserve it

wtf lol.. show me where I lied at? you might need to check into a mental ward, you kinda off a bit dude. You are ignorant and if you don't agree with something then just continue to do you. Nobody is forcing you to post in this thread. Of course everybody is not going to agree on the same thing. You don't seem to understand that. It's usually the most religious person that don't know how to control self. You obviously don't follow any of the teachings of Christ. I don't know what you follow but your fruits stink.

How you gone come into someone else thread and try to force 'your views' on everyone else? You don't see me going in your threads trying to force my views on you, so I appreciate it if you show the same respect. Your Christianity or beliefs about Christ is NOT the standard truth in which everyone MUST follow. How dare you say anybody who does not agree with your version of Christ must be a liar. You need to settle down dude.

peace

 

[beenwize]

The original Christians were esoteric Gnosticism

that's what i found in my research as well. http://www.beezone.com/esoteric_christianity.htm

 

[waterproof]

bambu, it's not my opinon.. you can check these sites tho.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah07.htm

Bobby Hemmitt breaks it all down at the link below... It's a 13 part series.
http://www.rbgtube.com/play.php?vid=5057

.

Lying ass devil don't let me quote you when you said that you believe that the gnostic story is the truth when your stupid ass couldn't see that they gave their gods hebrew sounding names. If you read the books that was taken out the tanach you would of seen why some hebrews was forced to take on the greek gods. You blasphemy and for ur lies and wickedness you going to pay you make urself look like a complete ass like brother judahxulu said for every searching spirit you mislead you will continue to add years of pain to ur life, you done fucked up boy, you let evil spirits lead you to destruction. Yaldaboth is not Yhwh, and you lied and curse the father you dumb ass, those demons used you and got what they wanted, your soul. And u deserve it

wtf lol.. show me where I lied at? you might need to check into a mental ward, you kinda off a bit dude. You are ignorant and if you don't agree with something then just continue to do you. Nobody is forcing you to post in this thread. Of course everybody is not going to agree on the same thing. You don't seem to understand that. It's usually the most religious person that don't know how to control self. You obviously don't follow any of the teachings of Christ. I don't know what you follow but your fruits stink.

peace

U lied on yah, called yah a demon and other blasphemy, I know u dumb but u can't play stupid with me, u called the father yaldaboth. U failed the trickery of the devil, u gullible fool, believing dumb ass people from you tube, evil spirits used your dumb ass for their work u now u fucked up and blasphemy against the father. I don't feel sorry for you, even judas came to his sense at the end

 

[beenwize]

bambu, it's not my opinon.. you can check these sites tho.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah07.htm

Bobby Hemmitt breaks it all down at the link below... It's a 13 part series.
http://www.rbgtube.com/play.php?vid=5057

.

Lying ass devil don't let me quote you when you said that you believe that the gnostic story is the truth when your stupid ass couldn't see that they gave their gods hebrew sounding names. If you read the books that was taken out the tanach you would of seen why some hebrews was forced to take on the greek gods. You blasphemy and for ur lies and wickedness you going to pay you make urself look like a complete ass like brother judahxulu said for every searching spirit you mislead you will continue to add years of pain to ur life, you done fucked up boy, you let evil spirits lead you to destruction. Yaldaboth is not Yhwh, and you lied and curse the father you dumb ass, those demons used you and got what they wanted, your soul. And u deserve it

wtf lol.. show me where I lied at? you might need to check into a mental ward, you kinda off a bit dude. You are ignorant and if you don't agree with something then just continue to do you. Nobody is forcing you to post in this thread. Of course everybody is not going to agree on the same thing. You don't seem to understand that. It's usually the most religious person that don't know how to control self. You obviously don't follow any of the teachings of Christ. I don't know what you follow but your fruits stink.

peace

U lied on yah, called yah a demon and other blasphemy, I know u dumb but u can't play stupid with me, u called the father yaldaboth. U failed the trickery of the devil, u gullible fool, believing dumb ass people from you tube, evil spirits used your dumb ass for their work u now u fucked up and blasphemy against the father. I don't feel sorry for you, even judas came to his sense at the end

who made 'your truth' the sole truth that everybody must follow? You don't believe that Allah or Amen Ra is the Creator so according to ppl of that faith you are under blasphemy. I don't go targeting ppl that don't believe what I believe and say they are a demon or condemned and etc for not having my views.. You have rotten fruits.

And how you gone come into someone else thread and try to force 'your views' on everyone else? You don't see me going in your threads trying to force my views on you, so I appreciate it if you show the same respect. Your Christianity or beliefs about Christ is NOT the standard truth in which everyone MUST follow. How dare you say anybody who does not agree with your version of Christ must be a liar. You need to settle down dude.

 

[waterproof]

I aint force my views on nobody, but I be damned u going to lie on my father and call him out of his name and used a filthy pagan name yaldaboth in which he's not. You foul pork eating demon, even brother bambu dropped knowledge on your stupid ass and said The mighty el yah is not yaldaboth after u claimed he was and curse the father, u done fucked up bad, you just took the silver pieces out of satan hand, you sealed Ur fate

 

[beenwize]

I aint force my views on nobody, but I be damned u going to lie on my father and call him out of his name and used a filthy pagan name yaldaboth in which he's not. You foul pork eating demon, even brother bambu dropped knowledge on your stupid ass and said The mighty el yah is not yaldaboth after u claimed he was and curse the father, u done fucked up bad, you just took the silver pieces out of satan hand, you sealed Ur fate

Bambu asked me a question and I gave him links so he could find it. so he didn't school me on anything. I provided him a link where Bobby Hemmitt broke down the questions he was asking. This is not private intrepretation of my own but a doctrine that has been taught ever since 2,000 or more years ago. And as far as Gnostic teachings that's what some of the earliest Christians believed Christ taught. Were you alive 2,000 years ago? of course not... Again, just cuz their teachings don't agree with your version does not mean it is not valid. There are lots of Gnostic Christians living in the world TODAY and many more that have lived throughout time... But i guess they are damned cuz they believe in something that you don't agree with? How dare you, dude.

You have a sick mind..

 

[waterproof]

Don't bring muslims and nile valley brothers in this devil, your trickery of trying to direct the heat off your lying ass will not work. I break bread with muslims read and own a quran, break bread and build with nile valley brothers like bambu, own the egyptian book of the dead and metur. Some nile valley brothers I break bread with say yahushua is a hebrew and a descendant that spread the gospel of heru. But they never cursed or say anything as vile as you against Yah

 

[beenwize]

Don't bring muslims and nile valley brothers in this devil, your trickery of trying to direct the heat off your lying ass will not work. I break bread with muslims read and own a quran, break bread and build with nile valley brothers like bambu, own the egyptian book of the dead and metur. Some nile valley brothers I break bread with say yahushua is a hebrew and a descendant that spread the gospel of heru. But they never cursed or say anything ass vile a you against Yah

Your point is? I don't care who you break bread with you scum of the earth. YOUR TRUTH IS NOT THE SOLE TRUTH FOR EVERYONE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Lol, get that thru your skull.

The Creator made everyone unique in their own way and to find their own path to enlightenment which leads back to the source.