2stepz_ahead;c-9717040 said:AZTG;c-9717031 said:Did Trump do the right thing? I'll let yall debate that.
I just want to point something out to you guys. The US attacked Syria because Syria attacked its citizens right? Thats cool. But do yall notice the fact that ever since Trump became president, reports of civilians dying in Iraq from US air strikes has increases?
Well thats not by chance. Thats actually a due to a difference in Trump and Obamas combat policies. The president gets to decide how much potential colleteral damage is acceptable when it comes to approving air strikes. Under Obama, almost no colleteral damage was acceptable. Civilian deaths happened under Obama as well, but they were either due to very high profile targets or due to legitamate mistakes.
Under Trump though, the level of acceptable colleteral damage increased. Trump said if we believe there are terrorist activities, bomb that shit, and it doesnt matter who dies. This is what a president who is in over his head and does not realize the impact of his actions does.
I mean, I get that the media vilifies the people of the middle east. I get it. In some cases they really should be villified. But, if you ask middle easteners why they hate America, they will say cause America has been attacking us for decades. End of the day, they are people just like us. Now what do you think is going to happen to the family members of the 200+ civilians that have been killed in the past 2 weeks from US strikes gonna do? The hate in their hearts will force a portion to become jihadis and join isis, al qeada etc.., a portion who are really smart will plan and join in on attacks on the west, and the most dangerous outcome is the portion of them who are really charismatic will pick up jihadi propaganda and preach it. Cant really blame them cause the US has been fucking the middle east up for a while now.
Obama was weak on Foreign Policy, and made tons of mistakes, but he was probably the only president that did not get caught up in tunnel vision and was able to think about the impact his decisions would have in 5 years before he took action. Thats why he tried to limit civilian casualties so much, all the while trump was talking that lets kill their families shit. Presidents are notorious for showing almost no foresight, so this isnt an implication on Trump. He doing what presidents usually do. I just he wish he wouldnt.
There are many legitimate reasons why the middle east is fucked up. It would be foolish to point at just one factor and say this here is the reason. Its really a complicated situation with many layers. But the cycle of violence where America gets involved and civilians die is one of those factors and Trump is just continuing the cycle.
while I hear what you trying to say about Obama...but he was limited no matter if he wanted to go crazy or not.
they was watching him with a very big microscope
I feel you on that. But Obama also realized one thing, and that was, toppling a govt is really easy. The US toppled Saddams govt in less than a month. The hard part is who is gonna run the country next? And all the options in Syria were bad options. Thats why he said he was looking for a coalition of Syrians to do the job, but couldnt find any opposition groups that were even nuetral to America. Like a long time ago they accepted they wont be able to find pro america opposition groups, and they just looked for nuetral ones and couldnt find any.