Trump Launched missile strike against Syria

[fortyacres]

I will preface this by saying im not a Trump supporter but...

To those who oppose the military strike , can yall give what other "Pragmatic , Realist and Realtime" alternative options you would rather have for Syria ? and no that kumbayah "make love not war " shit just wont cut it..

you options with both NK and Stria are bad and worse , doing nothing and indecision is not an option here.

Why does America need to come up with options for Syria ?

They Broke the Geneva Convention, Crossed the Red line again, refugee crisis (EU and America cant migrate every Syrian its impractical and not cost effective, and vetting against ISIL agents as difficult as we have seen with the attacks in the EU) ,Genocide , ISIS haven , Russian and Iranian proxy influence , oh and its spilling into Turkey.

Its a humanitarian crisis, so the UN and all the coalition nations have a duty to act and its coordinated so its not the US alone. Its been going on 6 years now, the options are not pretty so its damned if you dont ,damned if you do.

So where's the rest of the UN and coalition forces ?

And where's the definitive evidence that it was the Asaad government that did it ?

You get intel and co ordinated supports from different countries defence departments , this wasnt unilateral , thats not how it works.

really we a gonna start defending Al Asaad now ? ( and i know you wanna go the consipracy route with Putin and Trump , if so please dont with me i have no time for that).

 

[7figz]

I will preface this by saying im not a Trump supporter but...

To those who oppose the military strike , can yall give what other "Pragmatic , Realist and Realtime" alternative options you would rather have for Syria ? and no that kumbayah "make love not war " shit just wont cut it..

you options with both NK and Stria are bad and worse , doing nothing and indecision is not an option here.

Why does America need to come up with options for Syria ?

They Broke the Geneva Convention, Crossed the Red line again, refugee crisis (EU and America cant migrate every Syrian its impractical and not cost effective, and vetting against ISIL agents as difficult as we have seen with the attacks in the EU) ,Genocide , ISIS haven , Russian and Iranian proxy influence , oh and its spilling into Turkey.

Its a humanitarian crisis, so the UN and all the coalition nations have a duty to act and its coordinated so its not the US alone. Its been going on 6 years now, the options are not pretty so its damned if you dont ,damned if you do.

So where's the rest of the UN and coalition forces ?

And where's the definitive evidence that it was the Asaad government that did it ?

You get intel and co ordinated supports from different countries defence departments , this wasnt unilateral , thats not how it works.

really we a gonna start defending Al Asaad now ? ( and i know you wanna go the consipracy route with Putin and Trump , if so please dont with me i have no time for that).

Nobody's "defending" anybody by asking for proof. Anybody in their right mind should ask for proof. Then you talkin about me going conspiracy routes ? Sounds like, if anything, you're defending Trump.

If other countries also have this evidence, why is it only the US that responded ?

You asked what the options were - how about bringing the proof to congress, and voting on the shit ? How about meeting with the UN and discussing the proof before taking action ? How about not letting Russia know in advance they were going to bomb the airfield knowing that Russia supports Syria ?

Plenty of more reasonable and less questionable paths could've been taken... especially when it's clear he didnt support any action against Syria when Obama was president.

 

[DNB1]

“Sarin is 26 times more deadly than cyanide gas. Just a pinprick-sized droplet will kill a human,” according to the World Health Organization.

Exposure symptoms include nausea and violent headaches, blurred vision, drooling, muscle convulsions, respiratory arrest and loss of consciousness, the CDC says.

Nerve agents are generally quick-acting and require only simple chemical techniques and inexpensive, readily available ingredients to manufacture.

Inhalation of a high dose — say 200 milligrams of sarin — may cause death “within a couple of minutes,” with no time even for symptoms to develop, according to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.

Exposure through the skin takes longer to kill and the first symptoms may not occur for half an hour, followed by a quick progression.

Even when it does not kill, sarin’s effects can cause permanent harm — damaging a victim’s lungs, eyes and central nervous system.

Heavier than air, the gas can linger in an area for up to six hours, depending on weather conditions.

 

[fortyacres]

I will preface this by saying im not a Trump supporter but...

To those who oppose the military strike , can yall give what other "Pragmatic , Realist and Realtime" alternative options you would rather have for Syria ? and no that kumbayah "make love not war " shit just wont cut it..

you options with both NK and Stria are bad and worse , doing nothing and indecision is not an option here.

Why does America need to come up with options for Syria ?

They Broke the Geneva Convention, Crossed the Red line again, refugee crisis (EU and America cant migrate every Syrian its impractical and not cost effective, and vetting against ISIL agents as difficult as we have seen with the attacks in the EU) ,Genocide , ISIS haven , Russian and Iranian proxy influence , oh and its spilling into Turkey.

Its a humanitarian crisis, so the UN and all the coalition nations have a duty to act and its coordinated so its not the US alone. Its been going on 6 years now, the options are not pretty so its damned if you dont ,damned if you do.

So where's the rest of the UN and coalition forces ?

And where's the definitive evidence that it was the Asaad government that did it ?

You get intel and co ordinated supports from different countries defence departments , this wasnt unilateral , thats not how it works.

really we a gonna start defending Al Asaad now ? ( and i know you wanna go the consipracy route with Putin and Trump , if so please dont with me i have no time for that).

Nobody's "defending" anybody by asking for proof. Anybody in their right mind should ask for proof. Then you talkin about me going conspiracy routes ? Sounds like, if anything, you're defending Trump.

If other countries also have this evidence, why is it only the US that responded ?

You asked what the options were - how about bringing the proof to congress, and voting on the shit ? How about meeting with the UN and discussing the proof before taking action ? How about not letting Russia know in advance they were going to bomb the airfield knowing that Russia supports Syria ?

Plenty of more reasonable and less questionable paths could've been taken... especially when it's clear he didnt support any action against Syria when Obama was president.

Germany , UK , France , Australia , Jordan and Turkey all say their reports point to the Asaad regime.

UK , Jordan and Turkey backed the response by the US ,Jordan and Turkey have troops on the ground in Northern Syria.

Thats how warning strikes work , you tell them the intent thus they told Russia (thats how it has always worked). You directly attack Russia its an act of War on Russia and im pretty sure we dont (currently) wanna go that route.

Moreover UN, Russia, Iran & The Obama Admin (UN) IN 2012 brokered a deal with Syria to get rid and not use chemical weapons , also the red line not to be crossed and said if the deal was broken the US would retaliate with an air strike , Obama decided no to act the first time , and now this is the second clearly the current option is not even being listened to by Asaad (diplomacy doesnt work with this nigga) , you had no choice even if it was Clinton , Obama or Sanders this is the option , yall might not like it but the options were never good to begin with . Tweeting and Governing are two different things especially when the D.O.D and intel community give you the information in realtime.

 

[HundredEyes]

Sad to say it but chemical weapons have been used before in this war - with no clear indication of who was responsible aswell - thousands of children have died already, so much sadness its ridiculous. Not the first time a nation abuses their suffering for their own agenda/industry aswell...

I hope none of yall are really that naive and think the US and other parties involved did it outta impulse and for justice...its political warfare 101, soften the (ignorant) public up with footages so the industry got a reason to get in...my wife showed me the footages yesterday, I told her bb, Ive seen enough dead kids, Ive seen similair vids/pics ever since the war started...than I read that the US bombed an airport and than it made sense why a casual news reader like my wife saw that shit on instagram...

Thats how you got normally intelligent folk like @fortyacres look like damn idiots saying 'he did the right thing'.

 

[HundredEyes]

I will preface this by saying im not a Trump supporter but...

To those who oppose the military strike , can yall give what other "Pragmatic , Realist and Realtime" alternative options you would rather have for Syria ? and no that kumbayah "make love not war " shit just wont cut it..

you options with both NK and Stria are bad and worse , doing nothing and indecision is not an option here.

Why does America need to come up with options for Syria ?

They Broke the Geneva Convention, Crossed the Red line again, refugee crisis (EU and America cant migrate every Syrian its impractical and not cost effective, and vetting against ISIL agents as difficult as we have seen with the attacks in the EU) ,Genocide , ISIS haven , Russian and Iranian proxy influence , oh and its spilling into Turkey.

Its a humanitarian crisis, so the UN and all the coalition nations have a duty to act and its coordinated so its not the US alone. Its been going on 6 years now, the options are not pretty so its damned if you dont ,damned if you do.

So where's the rest of the UN and coalition forces ?

And where's the definitive evidence that it was the Asaad government that did it ?

You get intel and co ordinated supports from different countries defence departments , this wasnt unilateral , thats not how it works.

really we a gonna start defending Al Asaad now ? ( and i know you wanna go the consipracy route with Putin and Trump , if so please dont with me i have no time for that).

Nobody's "defending" anybody by asking for proof. Anybody in their right mind should ask for proof. Then you talkin about me going conspiracy routes ? Sounds like, if anything, you're defending Trump.

If other countries also have this evidence, why is it only the US that responded ?

You asked what the options were - how about bringing the proof to congress, and voting on the shit ? How about meeting with the UN and discussing the proof before taking action ? How about not letting Russia know in advance they were going to bomb the airfield knowing that Russia supports Syria ?

Plenty of more reasonable and less questionable paths could've been taken... especially when it's clear he didnt support any action against Syria when Obama was president.

Germany , UK , France , Australia , Jordan and Turkey all say their reports point to the Asaad regime.

UK , Jordan and Turkey backed the response by the US ,Jordan and Turkey have troops on the ground in Northern Syria.

Thats how warning strikes work , you tell them the intent thus they told Russia (thats how it has always worked). You directly attack Russia its an act of War on Russia and im pretty sure we dont (currently) wanna go that route.

Moreover UN, Russia, Iran & The Obama Admin (UN) IN 2012 brokered a deal with Syria to get rid and not use chemical weapons , also the red line not to be crossed and said if the deal was broken the US would retaliate with an air strike , Obama decided no to act the first time , and now this is the second clearly the current option is not even being listened to by Asaad (diplomacy doesnt work with this nigga) , you had no choice even if it was Clinton , Obama or Sanders this is the option , yall might not like it but the options were never good to begin with . Tweeting and Governing are two different things especially when the D.O.D and intel community give you the information in realtime.

Yes and didnt the UK, Jordan, La France etc arm the damn 'opposition' troops back in 2012? Pre Isis? They helped escalate the damn war, thought Assad would stand down etc...how soon people forget...

The Syrians sure as hell didnt.

When you buy a new product, you ask the salesman for a review dont ya?

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

Funny thing is after this attack many of Trumps day one supporters like Paul Joseph Watson and Mike Cernovich have claimed they have now jumped off the Trump bandwagon. While many in this thread (generally speaking) agree with the bombing.

Rumor is the chemical attack was a false flag, don't know for sure, but this isn't going to turn out good

 

[HundredEyes]

And mofos really quoting Turkey for their intel? Country is in political turmoil, no press freedom, just had a failed state coupe and is run by a Erdogan who is about to get his president power lifted to dictator lvl...them mofos been helpin out ISIS against the Kurds...yall want trust russian intel but go with what the Turks find?

Shame lol

 

[7figz]

I will preface this by saying im not a Trump supporter but...

To those who oppose the military strike , can yall give what other "Pragmatic , Realist and Realtime" alternative options you would rather have for Syria ? and no that kumbayah "make love not war " shit just wont cut it..

you options with both NK and Stria are bad and worse , doing nothing and indecision is not an option here.

Why does America need to come up with options for Syria ?

They Broke the Geneva Convention, Crossed the Red line again, refugee crisis (EU and America cant migrate every Syrian its impractical and not cost effective, and vetting against ISIL agents as difficult as we have seen with the attacks in the EU) ,Genocide , ISIS haven , Russian and Iranian proxy influence , oh and its spilling into Turkey.

Its a humanitarian crisis, so the UN and all the coalition nations have a duty to act and its coordinated so its not the US alone. Its been going on 6 years now, the options are not pretty so its damned if you dont ,damned if you do.

So where's the rest of the UN and coalition forces ?

And where's the definitive evidence that it was the Asaad government that did it ?

You get intel and co ordinated supports from different countries defence departments , this wasnt unilateral , thats not how it works.

really we a gonna start defending Al Asaad now ? ( and i know you wanna go the consipracy route with Putin and Trump , if so please dont with me i have no time for that).

Nobody's "defending" anybody by asking for proof. Anybody in their right mind should ask for proof. Then you talkin about me going conspiracy routes ? Sounds like, if anything, you're defending Trump.

If other countries also have this evidence, why is it only the US that responded ?

You asked what the options were - how about bringing the proof to congress, and voting on the shit ? How about meeting with the UN and discussing the proof before taking action ? How about not letting Russia know in advance they were going to bomb the airfield knowing that Russia supports Syria ?

Plenty of more reasonable and less questionable paths could've been taken... especially when it's clear he didnt support any action against Syria when Obama was president.

Germany , UK , France , Australia , Jordan and Turkey all say their reports point to the Asaad regime.

UK , Jordan and Turkey backed the response by the US ,Jordan and Turkey have troops on the ground in Northern Syria.

Thats how warning strikes work , you tell them the intent thus they told Russia (thats how it has always worked). You directly attack Russia its an act of War on Russia and im pretty sure we dont (currently) wanna go that route.

Moreover UN, Russia, Iran & The Obama Admin (UN) IN 2012 brokered a deal with Syria to get rid and not use chemical weapons , also the red line not to be crossed and said if the deal was broken the US would retaliate with an air strike , Obama decided no to act the first time , and now this is the second clearly the current option is not even being listened to by Asaad (diplomacy doesnt work with this nigga) , you had no choice even if it was Clinton , Obama or Sanders this is the option , yall might not like it but the options were never good to begin with . Tweeting and Governing are two different things especially when the D.O.D and intel community give you the information in realtime.

Well it's not like we ever had bad intel and got into war right ?

If all those countries also confirn it, then that's even more reason that the US shouldn't be the only ones responding. And still I havent heard a good reason for not going to congress for approval and the UN to discuss the supposed proof.

There's also other theories surrounding it like whether rebels did it, or Turkey. Also the question of why Asaad would even need to do it if he's already winning. Another theory was that Asaad's forces may have inadvertently struck a stockpile during their own military operations against rebels / ISIS / whoever, and that's how the gas got released.

With all this doubt, and having been wrong and led into war, and with a low ass approval rating, again - why not wait for a formal investigation ? Why not get approval from his majority congress ? The same thing he said Obama should do when he was in the position... and this MF has the majority and still didn't go to them. And again all that proof but fuck the UN right.

 

[HundredEyes]

@fortyacres calls Merkel the new leader of the free world and fucks with Germany....than quotes a source promotin Turkish Intel, eventhough the Turkish president Erdogan has been calling Merkel and the German government Nazis, extremists and locked up a german journalist cause he wrote some shit the turkish government didnt like etc the last 2 months lol.

Everyone has an opinion but facts are that all of ours are mute...war is like raising a baby...you cant let that shit go, youre on it 24/7...cant say well, Im tuning our for a couple months untill that news trends again...so many shit happened the past 5 years, I doubt any one of us has been following the syrian daily since it began...

 

[HundredEyes]

And before mofos say 'well german and turkish intel agree with one and other', Merkel refused to discuss peace in Syria as long as Assad was still ballin there...granted she backtracked a couple times but it is crucial that we remember 2011/2012 when this shit began and which sides mofos picked then.

 

[HundredEyes]

Everyone remembers how ww2 started but in 2017 everyone is like the dude from Memento.

Got western powers who supplied 100thousands of guns and ammo, air support a few years back acting like 'yall should stop fighting, install democracy and bla bla bla

Ol 'we wont interfere in a sovereign nations business but we ll spend a billi or two to change your regime' as mofos.

 

[fortyacres]

Sad to say it but chemical weapons have been used before in this war - with no clear indication of who was responsible aswell - thousands of children have died already, so much sadness its ridiculous. Not the first time a nation abuses their suffering for their own agenda/industry aswell...

I hope none of yall are really that naive and think the US and other parties involved did it outta impulse and for justice...its political warfare 101, soften the (ignorant) public up with footages so the industry got a reason to get in...my wife showed me the footages yesterday, I told her bb, Ive seen enough dead kids, Ive seen similair vids/pics ever since the war started...than I read that the US bombed an airport and than it made sense why a casual news reader like my wife saw that shit on instagram...

Thats how you got normally intelligent folk like @fortyacres look like damn idiots saying 'he did the right thing'.

Dude im just looking at the political reality here , what options are there for Syria here ? thats my question? because 6 years have gone by and the current diplomacy route has not (to Obama's admirable effort) and is not working.

You can have Congressional debates , UN debates and Nato debates , the conclusion is not going to change. The airstrike option was always on the table and that does not signal the start of a Syrian Invasion that I will wait and see, and i stand by what i said i think it was the best option out of a bed situation.

Syria was gonna have to be addressed in some military capacity by any left wing or right wing administration that would have occupies the WH (same with North Korea).

Im just saying you may not like the motivation (military industry complex etc) , or the justification for this shit but it was inevitable and im looking at the current options , political optics and i dont think disengaging and the current plan of diplomacy & sanctions have worked. You can call me an idiot all you want but it is what it is. Moreover i see you just singled out Turkey but you left out Jordanian , Germany , UK and French intel.

Its not lost on me that some middle east conflicts involving the US are based on strategic and self interests of the US and its Allies but i also believe there are dictators/bad leaders that need to be usurped (diplomatically or otherwise) if their governance has been disastrous and thats also destabilizing the region and spilling into Europe , In Al Asaad's case i do believe thats true and thats the case here (stories from personal experience from a former girlfriend, her family and friends).

 

[HundredEyes]

Allright fam than its my time to be a naive mofo and Ill say make a UN coalition, have China, America, the EU, AU etc all actually unite and dispense an equal amount of troops and liberate Syria by force. Do the same in other countries where war reigns supreme. End it all. Israel and Palestine acting up? Lets see how those mofos react to 1 million chinese, murican, african, european etc soldiers knocking on their doors.

Fuck we having war, poverty, dictatorships in 2017 for?

Wont happen cause all nations have interests that dont require peace. European Union is all about freedom and justice for all untill their south of the Spanish border lol

Naive and ignorant right? Just like anyone who believes US/Nato and russian intervention is the way to go lol

 

[HundredEyes]

Belgium provided millions of guns to Libyas Qadhafi, then word was out Qadhafi used it on his own people and Brussel gave the order to intervene....see how ridiculous that shit is?

Edit: but for decades Brussel had no problems when qadhafi used those guns to take down immigrants from Niger and other nations who were trying to cross the sea into Europe...

Conflicts of interests...

 

[7figz]

According to @fortyacres policy of "something has to be done"... we should be at war with North Korea by next friday.

You don't think Kim Jong Un is going to do his usual provocation and see if Trump is about that life ?

How you still really feeling that he did this because "something has to be done" when he didn't agree with it before ? He basically campaigned saying that America needs to only worry about America and directly said not to get involved with Syria.

And he ain't get rid of Asaad either by doing this little stunt. If he does get rid of Asaad after all of the supposed progress Asaad has made against ISIS, then what ?

 

[fortyacres]

According to @fortyacres policy of "something has to be done"... we should be at war with North Korea by next friday.

You don't think Kim Jong Un is going to do his usual provocation and see if Trump is about that life ?

How you still really feeling that he did this because "something has to be done" when he didn't agree with it before ? He basically campaigned saying that America needs to only worry about America and directly said not to get involved with Syria.

And he ain't get rid of Asaad either by doing this little stunt. If he does get rid of Asaad after all of the supposed progress Asaad has made against ISIS, then what ?

Campaigning and Governing are two different things so this shit about skewering dude coz of 2013 tweets aint gonna mean shit , no President in history keeps all their promises or does not change positions based on realtime events.

Kim Jong Un already has provoked the US since the Trump's inauguration and they have intent to get a nuclear warhead in 4 years , so we will see thus Xi Jing Ping is here to see what can be done about NK.

It was a tactical strike dude , it wasnt a full scale invasion will wait and see how Mr Asaad , Iran and Russia respond wont we. Progress against Isis at what cost ? he is displacing and killing the people he claims he is trynna save , im pretty sure there could have been a better tactical strategy of defeating Isis in Syria region coz what he is doing is not it.

 

[HundredEyes]

I will preface this by saying im not a Trump supporter but...

To those who oppose the military strike , can yall give what other "Pragmatic , Realist and Realtime" alternative options you would rather have for Syria ? and no that kumbayah "make love not war " shit just wont cut it..

you options with both NK and Stria are bad and worse , doing nothing and indecision is not an option here.

Why does America need to come up with options for Syria ?

They Broke the Geneva Convention, Crossed the Red line again, refugee crisis (EU and America cant migrate every Syrian its impractical and not cost effective, and vetting against ISIL agents as difficult as we have seen with the attacks in the EU) ,Genocide , ISIS haven , Russian and Iranian proxy influence , oh and its spilling into Turkey.

Its a humanitarian crisis, so the UN and all the coalition nations have a duty to act and its coordinated so its not the US alone. Its been going on 6 years now, the options are not pretty so its damned if you dont ,damned if you do.

As if the geneva convention doesnt get broken every damn day out there...youre zimbabwen/african, how many child soldiers have to fight before the US intervenes? And who is steppin up against the US when they break the GC ? Yall dont even recognize the ICC...Obama couldnt even shut down gitmo.

But youre just being a realist politically right? Instead of Cap Murica out there lmao

Lets pretend this is all Assad n Isis fault eventhough Western nations partcipated and instigated the damn war and Isis didnt even exist when that shit went down....fuck Assad, Isis and the rest but lets try to see the bigger picture and not only the shit the US admin and Reuters choose to highlight today.

 

[HundredEyes]

(Cause thats the reason we are discussing it today again right?) next month we ll forget about it and discuss the french elections and bla bla bla

Meanwhile Syrian kids still die, just now by US bombs...again by US tactical and precision strikes...youre beloved Obama killed thousands of kids in those strikes, just labeled them 'collateral damage'. But the kids of Yemen, Pakistan,Iraq etc arent interesting to report on this week so...

 

[HundredEyes]

Alright I made my quotum of 'the world is fucked up and life is not fair' posts for the year.

Carry on mofos