Trayvon Martin Case.... the plot thickens

[In Your Moms Room]

saw this in facebook

''the woman who threw flour on Kim Kardashian was arrested on site, but the man who killed Trayvon Martin is still free. no justice, no peace''.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

saw this in facebook

''the woman who threw flour on Kim Kardashian was arrested on site, but the man who killed Trayvon Martin is still free. no justice, no peace''.

thats from piers morgan

 

[Francis Schilke]

I dont see how people debatin this on the news. Im 19 too and if i saw some grown man creepin on me and followin me id be buggin out too. anybody who says this Zimmerman dude "just made an error of judgement" is a fuckin clown.

 

[bull6599]

LOL @ ppl not realizing Pimp is trolling. Y'all niggas must be new.

 

[SneakDZA]

LOL @ ppl not realizing Pimp is trolling. Y'all niggas must be new.

And it's the laziest, corniest and most obvious trolling thus far.

 

[mrrealone]

The plot got even thicker (pause)
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wls/video/2012/03/23/wls_032312_vid_Paul_5.mp4

If you go to 2:41s into that video the reporter says that according to the FBI Treyvon made a 911 call right before he died and that recording has Zimmerman's voice on it in the background.

Well d@yum!!!

I wouldn't be surprised if the laws tried to sweep this one under the rug as best as possible.....

 

[-Vincenzo-]

I'm not trying to play Horatio Caine but did anyone ever look at the lane (Twin Trees Lane, Sanford) where the shooting took place:

here is a map with the crime scene highlighted:

Zimmermann must have left his car and entered this street, it doesnt look like you can enter it with your car. This makes the version that Trayvon attacked him while he was standing next to his car hard to believe, it rather looks like Zimmermann followed him into this street, where the altercation took place.

 

[fiat_money]

I'm not trying to play Horatio Caine but did anyone ever look at the lane (Twin Trees Lane, Sanford) where the shooting took place:

here is a map with the crime scene highlighted:

Zimmermann must have left his car and entered this street, it doesnt look like you can enter it with your car. This makes the version that Trayvon attacked him while he was standing next to his car hard to believe, it rather looks like Zimmermann followed him into this street, where the altercation took place.

I think the claim is that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman while Zimmerman was returning to his car. "Returning to his car" is quite vague, so it's applicable to pretty much any location.

 

[-Vincenzo-]

I'm not trying to play Horatio Caine but did anyone ever look at the lane (Twin Trees Lane, Sanford) where the shooting took place:

here is a map with the crime scene highlighted:

Zimmermann must have left his car and entered this street, it doesnt look like you can enter it with your car. This makes the version that Trayvon attacked him while he was standing next to his car hard to believe, it rather looks like Zimmermann followed him into this street, where the altercation took place.

I think the claim is that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman while Zimmerman was returning to his car. "Returning to his car" is quite vague, so it's applicable to pretty much any location.

it doesnt look like there is any witness who saw the beginning of the actual altercation (if there was one), Zimmermann might as well have knocked himself out, who really knows...

doesnt make sense to me - if i go out right now, shoot someone who is unarmend, can i just claim self-defense and go home, as long as no one has seen anything? even if there is a tape, that proves that i pursued that person and that person ran from me?

i mean, will you not even get arrested until they did ballistic tests and everything? i highly doubt that it works this way normally...

 

[fiat_money]

I'm not trying to play Horatio Caine but did anyone ever look at the lane (Twin Trees Lane, Sanford) where the shooting took place:

here is a map with the crime scene highlighted:

Zimmermann must have left his car and entered this street, it doesnt look like you can enter it with your car. This makes the version that Trayvon attacked him while he was standing next to his car hard to believe, it rather looks like Zimmermann followed him into this street, where the altercation took place.

I think the claim is that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman while Zimmerman was returning to his car. "Returning to his car" is quite vague, so it's applicable to pretty much any location.

it doesnt look like there is any witness who saw the beginning of the actual altercation (if there was one), Zimmermann might as well have knocked himself out, who really knows...

doesnt make sense to me - if i go out right now, shoot someone who is unarmend, can i just claim self-defense and go home, as long as no one has seen anything? even if there is a tape, that proves that i pursued that person and that person ran from me?

i mean, will you not even get arrested until they did ballistic tests and everything? i highly doubt that it works this way normally...

They didn't simply let him go home, he was put in a cruiser and taken to the police department. After interrogating him--and presumably corroborating his account with that of the witness(es)--they concluded that there was not enough evidence for an unlawful use of force, and he was released.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of

force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using

force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was

unlawful.

He admitted to shooting Treyvon in the chest at "point blank" range, so the only incriminating evidence that ballistics testing could show would be something that showed Treyvon was shot in the back or from a greater distance. The former would be readily-apparent; and the latter could be determined upon closer examination.

 

[mrrealone]

I'm not trying to play Horatio Caine but did anyone ever look at the lane (Twin Trees Lane, Sanford) where the shooting took place:

here is a map with the crime scene highlighted:

Zimmermann must have left his car and entered this street, it doesnt look like you can enter it with your car. This makes the version that Trayvon attacked him while he was standing next to his car hard to believe, it rather looks like Zimmermann followed him into this street, where the altercation took place.

And now with all this pretty grass, nice housing, gated community, they still had crime. So much crime one of there "self appointed" members killed an innocent teen....

 

[-Vincenzo-]

I'm not trying to play Horatio Caine but did anyone ever look at the lane (Twin Trees Lane, Sanford) where the shooting took place:

here is a map with the crime scene highlighted:

Zimmermann must have left his car and entered this street, it doesnt look like you can enter it with your car. This makes the version that Trayvon attacked him while he was standing next to his car hard to believe, it rather looks like Zimmermann followed him into this street, where the altercation took place.

I think the claim is that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman while Zimmerman was returning to his car. "Returning to his car" is quite vague, so it's applicable to pretty much any location.

it doesnt look like there is any witness who saw the beginning of the actual altercation (if there was one), Zimmermann might as well have knocked himself out, who really knows...

doesnt make sense to me - if i go out right now, shoot someone who is unarmend, can i just claim self-defense and go home, as long as no one has seen anything? even if there is a tape, that proves that i pursued that person and that person ran from me?

i mean, will you not even get arrested until they did ballistic tests and everything? i highly doubt that it works this way normally...

They didn't simply let him go home, he was put in a cruiser and taken to the police department. After interrogating him--and presumably corroborating his account with that of the witness(es)--they concluded that there was not enough evidence for an unlawful use of force, and he was released.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of

force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using

force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was

unlawful.

He admitted to shooting Treyvon in the chest at "point blank" range, so the only incriminating evidence that ballistics testing could show would be something that showed Treyvon was shot in the back or from a greater distance. The former would be readily-apparent; and the latter could be determined upon closer examination.

good drop, but the ballistic tests were just an example of a number of procedures that follow a killing like blood tests, obduction etc.

and the ballistic tests could answer if zimmermann shot martin from a standing position and how many feet he was away.

moreover at least one witness, the girlfriend of trayvon martin, clearly stated that it was zimmermann who entered martin's personal space and even heard something interrupting martin's speech which she thinks was an attack by zimmermann:

"Crump [Trayvon Martin's family lawyer] said that during the final phone call with his girlfriend, who was back home in Miami, Martin told her that a stranger was following him, according to an affidavit she recorded. Martin had then tried unsuccessfully to get away from the stranger.

"He says: 'Oh, he's right behind me. He's right behind me again,'" Crump said the girl told him. "She says: 'Run.' He says: 'I'm not going to run, I'm just going to walk fast.'

She then heard Martin saying "Why are you following me" and another voice saying "What are you doing here?" She told Crump they both repeated themselves, and then she thinks she heard Zimmerman push Martin "because his voice changes, like something interrupted his speech." She heard an altercation and then the phone call was cut off, Crump said.

When police arrived a minute later, at 7.17pm, Martin was lying dead in the street."

how many black people that killed whites in that jurisdiction went home after being interrogated?

 

[Chef_Taylor]

I'm not trying to play Horatio Caine but did anyone ever look at the lane (Twin Trees Lane, Sanford) where the shooting took place:

here is a map with the crime scene highlighted:

Zimmermann must have left his car and entered this street, it doesnt look like you can enter it with your car. This makes the version that Trayvon attacked him while he was standing next to his car hard to believe, it rather looks like Zimmermann followed him into this street, where the altercation took place.

I think the claim is that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman while Zimmerman was returning to his car. "Returning to his car" is quite vague, so it's applicable to pretty much any location.

it doesnt look like there is any witness who saw the beginning of the actual altercation (if there was one), Zimmermann might as well have knocked himself out, who really knows...

doesnt make sense to me - if i go out right now, shoot someone who is unarmend, can i just claim self-defense and go home, as long as no one has seen anything? even if there is a tape, that proves that i pursued that person and that person ran from me?

i mean, will you not even get arrested until they did ballistic tests and everything? i highly doubt that it works this way normally...

They didn't simply let him go home, he was put in a cruiser and taken to the police department. After interrogating him--and presumably corroborating his account with that of the witness(es)--they concluded that there was not enough evidence for an unlawful use of force, and he was released.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of

force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using

force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was

unlawful.

He admitted to shooting Treyvon in the chest at "point blank" range, so the only incriminating evidence that ballistics testing could show would be something that showed Treyvon was shot in the back or from a greater distance. The former would be readily-apparent; and the latter could be determined upon closer examination.

good drop, but the ballistic tests were just an example of a number of procedures that follow a killing like blood tests, obduction etc.

and the ballistic tests could answer if zimmermann shot martin from a standing position and how many feet he was away.

moreover at least one witness, the girlfriend of trayvon martin, clearly stated that it was zimmermann who confronted martin:

"Crump [Trayvon Martin's family lawyer] said that during the final phone call with his girlfriend, who was back home in Miami, Martin told her that a stranger was following him, according to an affidavit she recorded. Martin had then tried unsuccessfully to get away from the stranger.

"He says: 'Oh, he's right behind me. He's right behind me again,'" Crump said the girl told him. "She says: 'Run.' He says: 'I'm not going to run, I'm just going to walk fast.'

She then heard Martin saying "Why are you following me" and another voice saying "What are you doing here?" She told Crump they both repeated themselves, and then she thinks she heard Zimmerman push Martin "because his voice changes, like something interrupted his speech." She heard an altercation and then the phone call was cut off, Crump said.

When police arrived a minute later, at 7.17pm, Martin was lying dead in the street."

how many black people that killed whites in that jurisdiction went home after being interrogated?

Boom!

 

[fiat_money]

I'm not trying to play Horatio Caine but did anyone ever look at the lane (Twin Trees Lane, Sanford) where the shooting took place:

here is a map with the crime scene highlighted:

Zimmermann must have left his car and entered this street, it doesnt look like you can enter it with your car. This makes the version that Trayvon attacked him while he was standing next to his car hard to believe, it rather looks like Zimmermann followed him into this street, where the altercation took place.

I think the claim is that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman while Zimmerman was returning to his car. "Returning to his car" is quite vague, so it's applicable to pretty much any location.

it doesnt look like there is any witness who saw the beginning of the actual altercation (if there was one), Zimmermann might as well have knocked himself out, who really knows...

doesnt make sense to me - if i go out right now, shoot someone who is unarmend, can i just claim self-defense and go home, as long as no one has seen anything? even if there is a tape, that proves that i pursued that person and that person ran from me?

i mean, will you not even get arrested until they did ballistic tests and everything? i highly doubt that it works this way normally...

They didn't simply let him go home, he was put in a cruiser and taken to the police department. After interrogating him--and presumably corroborating his account with that of the witness(es)--they concluded that there was not enough evidence for an unlawful use of force, and he was released.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of

force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using

force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was

unlawful.

He admitted to shooting Treyvon in the chest at "point blank" range, so the only incriminating evidence that ballistics testing could show would be something that showed Treyvon was shot in the back or from a greater distance. The former would be readily-apparent; and the latter could be determined upon closer examination.

good drop, but the ballistic tests were just an example of a number of procedures that follow a killing.

moreover at least one witness, the girlfriend of trayvon martin, clearly stated that it was zimmermann who confronted martin:

"Crump [Trayvon Martin's family lawyer] said that during the final phone call with his girlfriend, who was back home in Miami, Martin told her that a stranger was following him, according to an affidavit she recorded. Martin had then tried unsuccessfully to get away from the stranger.

"He says: 'Oh, he's right behind me. He's right behind me again,'" Crump said the girl told him. "She says: 'Run.' He says: 'I'm not going to run, I'm just going to walk fast.'

She then heard Martin saying "Why are you following me" and another voice saying "What are you doing here?" She told Crump they both repeated themselves, and then she thinks she heard Zimmerman push Martin "because his voice changes, like something interrupted his speech." She heard an altercation and then the phone call was cut off, Crump said.

When police arrived a minute later, at 7.17pm, Martin was lying dead in the street."

how many black people that killed whites in that jurisdiction went home after being interrogated?

As far as I know, she had not contacted them prior to Zimmerman's interrogation; and even if she did, what she--the girlfriend of the victim--"thinks" she heard over the phone wouldn't really constitute as evidence.

However, I'm not even sure if Zimmerman's initiating of the altercation via pushing would make his later use of force unlawful under Florida law.

 

[Matt-]

does anyone get the feeling that this could turn out to be another case like the Duke Lacrosse case? Not in the sense that everything was a fabrication and that it was an attempt at extortion and a for an overzealous prosecutor to gain favor with the people. I'm not saying that the details could end up similar, i'm just talking about the reaction. Where everyone seems to take one side, without learning all the facts. and when all the facts do come out, people could be looking real stupid.

I have no reason to think that will happen, but i can't help but get that feeling everytime i see a case like this where people rush to take a side and aren't shy about it.

 

[Matt-]

does anyone get the feeling that this could turn out to be another case like the Duke Lacrosse case? Not in the sense that everything was a fabrication and that it was an attempt at extortion and a for an overzealous prosecutor to gain favor with the people. I'm not saying that the details could end up similar, i'm just talking about the reaction. Where everyone seems to take one side, without learning all the facts. and when all the facts do come out, people could be looking real stupid.

I have no reason to think that will happen, but i can't help but get that feeling everytime i see a case like this where people rush to take a side and aren't shy about it.

its your inner klansman... its cool bro...

or just realizing that this type of thing has happened before.

but even if it does. and it goes to court and its proven that it was self defense under florida law, people still won't let it go.

 

[Matt-]

does anyone get the feeling that this could turn out to be another case like the Duke Lacrosse case? Not in the sense that everything was a fabrication and that it was an attempt at extortion and a for an overzealous prosecutor to gain favor with the people. I'm not saying that the details could end up similar, i'm just talking about the reaction. Where everyone seems to take one side, without learning all the facts. and when all the facts do come out, people could be looking real stupid.

I have no reason to think that will happen, but i can't help but get that feeling everytime i see a case like this where people rush to take a side and aren't shy about it.

its your inner klansman... its cool bro...

or just realizing that this type of thing has happened before.

if u weren't such a racist douche the irony of this statement would kill you...

a high profile case of self defense? or a high profile case where everyone sided with the victim and it turned out to be something other than what everyone originally thought.

 

[edwardnigma]

I'm with what Cobbland said on Page One. It's Ridiculous to wait on the Law at this point. One of his male family members should have retaliated.

 

[edwardnigma]

I just called the school to tell them that scumbag needs to be out! But that number is no longer operating.

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[Dupac]

saw he had his lawyer on tv yesterday...does that mean he got charged with something?