Trayvon Martin Case.... the plot thickens

[powerman 5000]

It said he was treated by SFD. Did SFD do a kit on him? I mean in some assault cases, they do kits that document injuries, Can we get the results of this kit? For all we know he could have cut the back of his head shaving and the gun could of hit him in the nose on recoil.

 

[escalation of force]

 

[FlyFreeCt]

One thing you can be damn sure of...The happiest and most grateful person in the world right now cuz of this case is Casey Anthony..

 

[stringer bell]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57404564-504083/convicting-george-zimmerman-may-not-be-easy-fla-prosecutor/

Convicting George Zimmerman may not be easy: Fla. prosecutor

(CBS) SANFORD, Fla. - The lead prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case, Angela Corey, told ABC News that convicting his killer, George Zimmerman, may not be easy.

"The stand-your-ground law is one portion of justifiable use of deadly force," veteran prosecutor Corey said. "And what that means is that the state must go forward and be able to prove it's case beyond a reasonable doubt... So it makes the case in general more difficult than a normal criminal case."

The law affords people substantial leeway to use deadly force if they feel their life is seriously endangered. The lawyer counseling Zimmerman, Craig Sonner, said Zimmerman felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he shot the unarmed 17-year-old.

Corey, known for her zealous defense of victims' rights, was hand-picked by Florida Gov. Rick Scott for the job.

However, with the Department of Justice and the FBI investigating this case as a possible hate crime, Corey might want to pursue that as well.

"So it would depend on which charge if any we're able to file," she said. "Before we would be able to determine, one, if this is a hate crime, and two, whether or not that would enhance the crime."

Corey's team is now re-investigating the case that the Sanford Police Department is accused of mishandling. Possible police missteps include failing to administer a toxicology exam on Zimmerman, not impounding his car, and failing to contact key witnesses - like Martin's girlfriend, who was talking to the teen by cell phone and heard most of the scuffle with Zimmerman unfold.

Corey said parts of the investigation might only take a few more days to complete but charges, if they ever come, could be weeks away.

 

[desertrain10]

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does anyone get the feeling that this could turn out to be another case like the Duke Lacrosse case? Not in the sense that everything was a fabrication and that it was an attempt at extortion and a for an overzealous prosecutor to gain favor with the people. I'm not saying that the details could end up similar, i'm just talking about the reaction. Where everyone seems to take one side, without learning all the facts. and when all the facts do come out, people could be looking real stupid.

I have no reason to think that will happen, but i can't help but get that feeling everytime i see a case like this where people rush to take a side and aren't shy about it.

yea i somewhat agree a lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that from the very start zimmerman meant to kill trayvon but there is even more people are just shocked and angry with which the way the sanford pd handled the case ...

its inconceivable that any honest police investigation which had to have lasted 5,6 hrs tops would simply take the word of someone that it was self-defense based on the 911 tapes and zimmerman's history... it shows a real lack of value/regard for human life ...the pd should have investigated for voluntary manslaughter at minimum and only after an appropriate investigation that lasted for more than a couple of hours unlike the one they conducted that night should zimmerman be cleared.

i think it more so struck a chord w/ people because any person of color can relate to being racial profiled or have experienced/observed how the criminal justice system does not work for blacks. and fact is, even though george zimmerman may be hispanic or w/e, he decided to follow and proceeded to chase trayvon for no good reason than he looked "suspious" i.e. he was black ...and we all know if trayvon was white we would have been seen an arrest weeks ago...

nothing like the duke case...which imo the racial element was more so contrived...

 

[lordhonka2]

im not sure how any thng after he got out of the car to follow him matters. if he dosent get out of the car we have nothing to talk about.

 

[texas409]

Now they are trying to say Trayvon had an empty baggy of marijuana in his backpack smh I swear whitefolks will do anything to villainize black folks even when all evidence points to us being upright citizens just like everyone else

 

[bull6599]

@desertrain u hit the nail on the head w/ that post. What I'm most pissed @ is the SPD's investigation. That shit is just inexcusable...especially how they tagged him as a John Doe for 3 days &I didn't contact his family despite being in possession of his cell phone. WTF type of shit is that?

 

[illedout]

Funny how they saying the murderer is hispanic

when Zimmerman is clearly a jewish name..

 

[Dupac]

Funny how they saying the murderer is hispanic

when Zimmerman is clearly a jewish name..

maybe he was adopted or married in...

 

[fiat_money]

Funny how they saying the murderer is hispanic

when Zimmerman is clearly a jewish name..

It's German.

Means "carpenter".

 

[desertrain10]

@desertrain u hit the nail on the head w/ that post. What I'm most pissed @ is the SPD's investigation. That shit is just inexcusable...especially how they tagged him as a John Doe for 3 days &I didn't contact his family despite being in possession of his cell phone. WTF type of shit is that?

right ....

the police had the obligation and the means to look at the phone to find out who he is and call his parents... whether the phone was locked or damaged or not...

they literally treated his death like it was nothing ....not a big deal ... a future burglary averted

 

[Chef_Taylor]

Yo pimp troll or not youz a bitch

 

[Chef_Taylor]

The police minds=martin one less thug off the streets.

 

[Chef_Taylor]

Remember the jena 6 case remember that!! they wanted to try those black boys as adults just for beating up a white kid..no lifes were lost dude just got beat up for being a bigot...in florida a young black kid is killed for TRYING TO DEFEND HIMSELF and no charges have been brought against george zimmerman.Im hearing they calling martin a "man" last i checked being a 17 year old youre still a teenager...certain places you cant get into and certain things you cant buy yet these dumb fucks saying he was a man?? chappelle was right

 

[StillFaggyAF]

how many flags does it take to get banned?

 

[Chef_Taylor]

Black on black white on white whats the point?Why is this guy not in jail?? why did the police chief or who ever step down these muthafuckers are crooked and it looks like theyre trying to cover something up....

 

[-Vincenzo-]

As far as I know, she had not contacted them prior to Zimmerman's interrogation; and even if she did, what she--the girlfriend of the victim--"thinks" she heard over the phone wouldn't really constitute as evidence.

However, I'm not even sure if Zimmerman's initiating of the altercation via pushing would make his later use of force unlawful under Florida law.

they could have arrested him after she has contacted them and you cant discredit a witness "just because she is his girlfriend".

Contrary to popular belief Zimmermann's lawyers do not claim the "stand your ground law" (http://wtvr.com/2012/03/24/zimmermans-lawyer-stand-your-ground-doesnt-apply-in-trayvon-martin-case/)

They claim self-defense, so here is Florida's self-defense law (which doesn't vary so much from most other western self-defense laws):

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

Chapter 776.041 (2) clearly states that you are not entitled to use of force if you initially provoke the force against yourself.

Following the 911 protocol of Zimmermann's call he pursued Martin wearing a firearm. His words "these assholes always get away" make it seem as if he personally wants to make sure this wont happen in this case, which is further confirmed by him continuing to pursue Martin even after the dispatcher told him to stop it. Zimmermann in the following course of the call states that Martin starts running, which makes it obvious, that Martin tries to avoid any altercation. This matches the testimony of Martin's girlfriend.

After this point there are contrary claims: Zimmermann claims that Martin attacked him after an exchange of words, while Martin's girlfriend claims to have heard a sudden interrupt of Martin's speech, which she assumes was the result of Zimmemann pushing Martin.

There is enough circumstantial evidence as stated above that Zimmermann iniated the whole altercation by following Martin against request to stop this, being physically and furthermore through carrying a firearm advantageous, him stating his discontent over the fact that "these assholes" always get away, the fact that Martin ran away from him plus the testimonial of Martin's girlfriend -> Corroborating evidence

The only evidence that speaks against Zimmermann iniating the altercation is his very own testimonial.

The police hat enough ground to believe that Martin was at least victim of manslaughter commited by Zimmerman and at this stage the pure belief of the police officer that a felony was commited is enough to arrest someone.

 

[Chef_Taylor]

I dont know but this pimpmvp bimbo should be banned.

 

[redhandedbandit]

i think the main problem is that charges werent brought against him