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1st u must understand. This is SHOW BUSINESS. Very little is real. the industry makes billions off of selling fans a dream or fantasy. I know cats that are doing fed time for gun trafficking and drug trafficking. When these cats were out here they didn't listen to "trap musik" . nigaz I know were bumpin kellz, jaheim or straight old school. Now the small time cats that's all they listen 2 cause that's what they aspire 2 be. Anybody who thinks ross, birdman,gucci, jeezy are still selling dope are outta their minds. just cuz some rapper gets caught with a pound of purp and a couple ounces of flake it don't mean they serving. They're just using large quantities and they can afford it. This is the era where these youngsters really believe "it aint trickin if u got it". I'm from the era of knockin a broad on strictly mouthpiece skills and dressin fly not this i'll buy u this and i'll buy u that. That shit is sickening. The game has changed. I can't pinpoint when or where but it was a time when u had more variety. U had your squares, gangsters,pro black, lyricists, funny cats etc. Those days are gone.
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Fazeem_Blackall
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plocc;121081 said:1st u must understand. This is SHOW BUSINESS. Very little is real. the industry makes billions off of selling fans a dream or fantasy. I know cats that are doing fed time for gun trafficking and drug trafficking. When these cats were out here they didn't listen to "trap musik" . nigaz I know were bumpin kellz, jaheim or straight old school. Now the small time cats that's all they listen 2 cause that's what they aspire 2 be. Anybody who thinks ross, birdman,gucci, jeezy are still selling dope are outta their minds. just cuz some rapper gets caught with a pound of purp and a couple ounces of flake it don't mean they serving. They're just using large quantities and they can afford it. This is the era where these youngsters really believe "it aint trickin if u got it". I'm from the era of knockin a broad on strictly mouthpiece skills and dressin fly not this i'll buy u this and i'll buy u that. That shit is sickening. The game has changed. I can't pinpoint when or where but it was a time when u had more variety. U had your squares, gangsters,pro black, lyricists, funny cats etc. Those days are gone.
Sad but True Shit...
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jrod44;100071 said:The joke is the opposite. Poor rappers cant get no play unless they get shot or shot someone. We got more rappers today that are true to life than the 90's era. Wack is one thing, you dont like them or think they cant rap, thats whatever. Maybe thats the problem, credibility is such an issue, so we got real dope dealers going "laffy taffy. do that laffy taffy"
Dont know maybe Im way off, it just seems to me that the only way to get more gangster in this era, is to have prisoners start rapping. Thats the only way people will be like, oh he real. Shits ridiculous.
they tried that in the earlt nineties. i think they was called the lifers group or something. they was really doing life in prison but somehow they was able to shoot a video. it didnt do too good as you might suspect.
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Real Lady;112476 said:truth be told just because lil wayne been rich since a teen and rick was a co, and plies went to college don't mean they are fake thugs/gangbanga's and etc. That's what people have to learn. I don't know where some peeps are from, but it's like their mentality of being REAL HOOD, is being a underachiever anyone who has made any achievement before rap is called fake these days.
gangsters wear suits and hold jobs. The only thing I got wrong with rick ross case is he denied it. I know gangsters who become co's. It's was the fact that he lied {for me} not the fact that he had a legit job before rap.
No......Niggas is On the block grindin cuz that all they know.............Do u really think If dudes was had money niggas would really had money niggas would be on the Block??? C'mon use ur head............No reall "thug" out here is in the hood if they r BORN into money, niggas is trynna leave they Hood, I know thats Wat i been trynna do my whole life
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Pretty Fred
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I think this era is the era of fakes running hip-hop. Its amazing to me the people who come out and find major success. Nothing makes sense in hip-hop anymore and trying to figure it out will leave you going crazy.
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Pretty Fred;121367 said:I think this era is the era of fakes running hip-hop. Its amazing to me the people who come out and find major success. Nothing makes sense in hip-hop anymore and trying to figure it out will leave you going crazy.
lol yea basicily
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SCRATCHOFF
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The situation this thread brings up is ugly deformed testtube baby of gangster rap and the genre becoming more industrilize (basically record heads taking over). Back in the day record heads didn't really see any need to push rap artist and be really involved with the artist on their label because rap didn't really sell. Hell late 80/ early 90's ifa rapper went gold .. he was IT.. Then came gangster rap tales of hood living and surviving told by those who lived it. I'm one of the biggest defenders of gangster rap but one thing that we all have to admit is that it did glamorize the life. It just not a way to get around that. Once folks (not just black folks) started spending money on it and the powers that be saw that it was real earning in it... IT WAS OVER.. where before you a rapper had and A&R rep who made sure he got his album made and a marketing budget to get a commercial, a video, and some posters. NOW a rapper has an A&R rep, a actual martketing team (they call it a street team just to ghettoize a little bit), a strategist, a stylist, a public relations rep. to bascially predict what kinda artist you will be and what type of music you will make.
Add on the mentality of the "I don't give a f'" generation and you got this ---------> plies, an educated man with an actually good head on his shoulders who has basically reduced himself into a country fake gangsta retarded ninja because he (and his people) feel thats the only way to reach the masses... sad thing is the ish worked.
Add on the mentality of the "I don't give a f'" generation and you got this ---------> plies, an educated man with an actually good head on his shoulders who has basically reduced himself into a country fake gangsta retarded ninja because he (and his people) feel thats the only way to reach the masses... sad thing is the ish worked.
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mostvigorousone;100513 said:Coming up from the ground level or "street" level does not make someone real. Being real is all based on an individuals actions. T/S said Lil' Wayne is regarded as being real? You mean the guy who's been rich since his pre-teens and claims to be a blood...hasn't gang banged a day in his life. Probably just hangs out with high profile bloods now b/c he is who he is. Rick Ross lied about being a CO until niggas pulled his file. I can respect the honest job, but I can't respect his actions (faking like it wasn't him until it was proven). Plies?? Did you really say Plies? The "goon" who hid in the bathroom at the Jamie Foxx video shoot in LA when crips approached the set. The guy who gets into character to rap and then speaks in a totally different manner. T/S your statement epitomizes the state of mainstream music in general today. In other words, it's backwards. As time goes on, fakeness is accepted more and more. Nowadays youngins say they don't care if it's fake, as long as they like how it sounds. This is the era in which people don't have a problem with biting. So if by "real" you mean FAKE, I agree.
This is the truth right here! 90's way harder era! Bloods wouldn't even be near a dude who kisses another dude in the mouth in the 90's!
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SCRATCHOFF;121565 said:The situation this thread brings up is ugly deformed testtube baby of gangster rap and the genre becoming more industrilize (basically record heads taking over). Back in the day record heads didn't really see any need to push rap artist and be really involved with the artist on their label because rap didn't really sell. Hell late 80/ early 90's ifa rapper went gold .. he was IT.. Then came gangster rap tales of hood living and surviving told by those who lived it. I'm one of the biggest defenders of gangster rap but one thing that we all have to admit is that it did glamorize the life. It just not a way to get around that. Once folks (not just black folks) started spending money on it and the powers that be saw that it was real earning in it... IT WAS OVER.. where before you a rapper had and A&R rep who made sure he got his album made and a marketing budget to get a commercial, a video, and some posters. NOW a rapper has an A&R rep, a actual martketing team (they call it a street team just to ghettoize a little bit), a strategist, a stylist, a public relations rep. to bascially predict what kinda artist you will be and what type of music you will make.
Add on the mentality of the "I don't give a f'" generation and you got this ---------> plies, an educated man with an actually good head on his shoulders who has basically reduced himself into a country fake gangsta retarded ninja because he (and his people) feel thats the only way to reach the masses... sad thing is the ish worked.
So in this climate of record sales, your telling me that record labels are still developing artists? I think it is the opposite. From what I understand A & R's are becoming obsolete, and record labels are downsizing if not outright going out of business. I really cant see a label going through a "makeover" to develop and maintain a persona without the cash behind it.
For some reason we have conspiracy theorists who say their is some wizard behind the scenes pulling the strings, and just making up rappers. That they found a well spoken Algernon, and suddenly transformed into the artist known as Plies? Then they found a whole bunch of street cats to cosign him before he blew up, because they knew he would. Thats a helluva plan.
Or whats most likely is that Plies(yes while in school) is friends with people and hangs around the streets, can rap, is affiliated and becomes the spokesman for that crew, blows up locally, and that buzz grows. Same goes for pretty much every rapper. I truly believe you cant get big without getting cosigned locally first. I dont think there is big Thug factory, especiallyy in this climate.
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Fazeem_Blackall
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SCRATCHOFF;121565 said:The situation this thread brings up is ugly deformed testtube baby of gangster rap and the genre becoming more industrilize (basically record heads taking over). Back in the day record heads didn't really see any need to push rap artist and be really involved with the artist on their label because rap didn't really sell. Hell late 80/ early 90's ifa rapper went gold .. he was IT.. Then came gangster rap tales of hood living and surviving told by those who lived it. I'm one of the biggest defenders of gangster rap but one thing that we all have to admit is that it did glamorize the life. It just not a way to get around that. Once folks (not just black folks) started spending money on it and the powers that be saw that it was real earning in it... IT WAS OVER.. where before you a rapper had and A&R rep who made sure he got his album made and a marketing budget to get a commercial, a video, and some posters. NOW a rapper has an A&R rep, a actual martketing team (they call it a street team just to ghettoize a little bit), a strategist, a stylist, a public relations rep. to bascially predict what kinda artist you will be and what type of music you will make.
Add on the mentality of the "I don't give a f'" generation and you got this ---------> plies, an educated man with an actually good head on his shoulders who has basically reduced himself into a country fake gangsta retarded ninja because he (and his people) feel thats the only way to reach the masses... sad thing is the ish worked.
jrod44;121760 said:So in this climate of record sales, your telling me that record labels are still developing artists? I think it is the opposite. From what I understand A & R's are becoming obsolete, and record labels are downsizing if not outright going out of business. I really cant see a label going through a "makeover" to develop and maintain a persona without the cash behind it.
For some reason we have conspiracy theorists who say their is some wizard behind the scenes pulling the strings, and just making up rappers. That they found a well spoken Algernon, and suddenly transformed into the artist known as Plies? Then they found a whole bunch of street cats to cosign him before he blew up, because they knew he would. Thats a helluva plan.
Or whats most likely is that Plies(yes while in school) is friends with people and hangs around the streets, can rap, is affiliated and becomes the spokesman for that crew, blows up locally, and that buzz grows. Same goes for pretty much every rapper. I truly believe you cant get big without getting cosigned locally first. I dont think there is big Thug factory, especiallyy in this climate.
Sadly all the above is true including the executive level conspiricy to push dumbed down rappers. Kats Like Plies are just tools that are jumping on for the ride to make there piece while selling their integrity and soul. It started in the 90's though and Viacom and Clear Channel amongst others have pushed the mainstream coon to the fullest, a double edge sword acomplishing the pacification agenda against HipHop and the urban community while still making a profit. Parents giving up on dropping knowledge CrackBabies having Mtv Babies and you got a bunch half truth accepting simple minded sheep like kids willing to believe whatever the radio or tv tells them regardless of the facts. Now the threat known as hiphop has become a parody of itself no longer cutting edge raw informative passion filled music but a minstrel show of fictional exaggerated bullshit...
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tri3w;121365 said:No......Niggas is On the block grindin cuz that all they know.............Do u really think If dudes was had money niggas would really had money niggas would be on the Block??? C'mon use ur head............No reall "thug" out here is in the hood if they r BORN into money, niggas is trynna leave they Hood, I know thats Wat i been trynna do my whole life
Naw...niggas on the block grindin becuz thats all they want to kno...fast easy money is the motive. A nigga BORN into money can be just as real as the nigga who didnt....nobody is BORN a thug, you learn and pick shit up as you grow
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Fazeem_Blackall
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cuttadc13;133410 said:Naw...niggas on the block grindin becuz thats all they want to kno...fast easy money is the motive. A nigga BORN into money can be just as real as the nigga who didnt....nobody is BORN a thug, you learn and pick shit up as you grow
true shit but that makes it worse when they come from money, they have options that those of us who did not do not have. I know plenty of Kats who have pissed away there lives wanting to prove there hard then when shit get thick there moms who works at Boeing or Microsoft or wherever pays for a laawyer to get them out of most of it.
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Actually i think this may be the realist era. The ones at the top may not be 100 but its so many rappers out now if you put it on a sliding scale then yeah you do have more real rappers but thats also the reason you have so much b.s. rap out. Its so many killers and robbers out that are tryna rap now bcuz they know that their realler then the average rapper so they might not be able to rap that good but they know their hood report card may give them a pass. Me personally i would rather listen to an authentic nigga but if said rapper music is b.s. im not going to listen to it just bcuz he's killed so n so many people. Another thing is if the internet would have been popping back in the 90's like it is now im sure there would have been alot of rappers exposed. I thought Ice Cube was the realist thing eva in come to find out he neva gangbanged the same with Nas he was the same as Plies as far as being just a spectator and these 2 niggas are legends regardless.
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Fazeem_Blackall
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this thread proves how much the current generation does not know about HipHop and its true culture...
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5th Letter
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SCRATCHOFF;121565 said:The situation this thread brings up is ugly deformed testtube baby of gangster rap and the genre becoming more industrilize (basically record heads taking over). Back in the day record heads didn't really see any need to push rap artist and be really involved with the artist on their label because rap didn't really sell. Hell late 80/ early 90's ifa rapper went gold .. he was IT.. Then came gangster rap tales of hood living and surviving told by those who lived it. I'm one of the biggest defenders of gangster rap but one thing that we all have to admit is that it did glamorize the life. It just not a way to get around that. Once folks (not just black folks) started spending money on it and the powers that be saw that it was real earning in it... IT WAS OVER.. where before you a rapper had and A&R rep who made sure he got his album made and a marketing budget to get a commercial, a video, and some posters. NOW a rapper has an A&R rep, a actual martketing team (they call it a street team just to ghettoize a little bit), a strategist, a stylist, a public relations rep. to bascially predict what kinda artist you will be and what type of music you will make.
Add on the mentality of the "I don't give a f'" generation and you got this ---------> plies, an educated man with an actually good head on his shoulders who has basically reduced himself into a country fake gangsta retarded ninja because he (and his people) feel thats the only way to reach the masses... sad thing is the ish worked.
You said it better than I could.
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Fazeem Blackall;139133 said:this thread proves how much the current generation does not know about HipHop and its true culture...
Do you think bridging the gap between generations is possible @ this point or is it a lost cause? To me it seems that we've come to a point where youngins are just like "f**k it, I will not allow myself to be schooled on certain things pertaining to hip hop." It's like an endless argument that finds very little common ground.
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Face it, it's not about the lyrics, the format and the content regarding the struggle anymore. It's about being flamboyant, material and doing a goddamn dance. Rags hangin out ya poccets callin another man Daddy, the real Noriega owing a prison guard 100 favors. smh
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When i agreed wit the t/s i meant as far as i think there is more actual drug dealers, robbers, and killers that rap versus back in the day when most rappers were basically spectators. I think the 90's was definitly a better era musically the songs and content was way realer and believable then today. But if we're talking bout who has more actual street dudes in the biz i would say that would be this era, and its not for the good thats y the music has suffered so much.
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