This era is the most "real" era ever.

[jrod44]

wow.... i have to disagree with that COMPLETELY, but i know what it's going to start so i'll just keep it movin, smh...

Really? I just think you cant get success without being credible from the beginning. Trying to work with up and coming local rappers here in Palm Beach, if you are not who you say you are, yo get no play.

 

[jrod44]

and that's only on the local level, with mainstream success, the only co-sign u need is the record label, and with enough money behind them, shoved in everyone's face, playin a "persona" then they'll b viewed as "credible".... ross being a perfect example

But Ross started with Slip n Slide, and Poe Boy, which are known street level record labels. Not the type to let any sucker off the street get on. The money didnt come from Def Jam until he already had that smash Hustlin. Which illustrated my point, Ross blew up in Miami first, and was affiliated with Slip n Slide, and Poe Boy management, who are not known for creating fakers. SO I am suppose to believe that the home of Trick Daddy, just missed with Ross?

 

[king of nyc]

you can't be serious

 

[just.might.b.ok]

we got gay people that rap
we got cops that rap
we got snitches that rap
we got old people that rap
we got a wack ass canadian rich boy that rap
i dont like this era at all

 

[jrod44]

Dead ass serious. Im tired of people trying to diss todays artists, knowing damn well you cant heard unless you are who you say you are. Todays artist HAS to have a hunded goons, because that is todays atmosphere. There is a reason why there is the hip hop police. There is so much dirty money floating around hip hop today that is undeniable. Every dope crew has a rap group it seems. You cannot tell me that is not true. There always seems to be a vocal piece for some crew.

 

[a_list]

yo is this comedy day or something

 

[jrod44]

yo is this comedy day or something

The joke is the opposite. Poor rappers cant get no play unless they get shot or shot someone. We got more rappers today that are true to life than the 90's era. Wack is one thing, you dont like them or think they cant rap, thats whatever. Maybe thats the problem, credibility is such an issue, so we got real dope dealers going "laffy taffy. do that laffy taffy"

Dont know maybe Im way off, it just seems to me that the only way to get more gangster in this era, is to have prisoners start rapping. Thats the only way people will be like, oh he real. Shits ridiculous.

 

[mittenz]

This time in hip hop is unprecedented. We are bombarded with images with why our favorite rappers are not really who they say they are. That is absurd. If anyone knows how an artists blows up, it is almost 100% from the bottom up. Gone are the days of manufactured Gangsters, as was the case in the past. No todays artist HAVE to be genuine, because if they were not supported from the streets First, they would not have risen to their heights. Todays artist usually has to do all of their marketing on a street level to get noticed, and then they go from there. We have already seen that A & R's are almost extinct, so to believe that these artists are created is not true at all.

These artists today, are first cosigned by the street, and then gain national attention. It is only when they acheive success, that they are analyzed for their every move, and discredited when someone finds a chink in their armor. Somehow we are led to believe that one not so Gangster instance somehow devalues their reality. Never remembering what this artist did to get there.

Todays rapper, really had to sell dope, really had to fight, really had be in the streets, or really had to be affiliated to be where they are. We have aritists today that really killed somebody, really went to jail, really did this, really did that, yet haters are on their job trying to discredit them. They are surrounded with killers and dealers and bangers, out of necessity. This started with Big and Pac, and now it is impossible to not be affiliated or you will not even be here.

Dont be naive, this is a dirty game, and it is survival of the fittest, if you see these D boy rappers with success, it is because they are who they say they are, or else they would not even be there.

This era is the era where credibility is the only thing that gains you success, and people work 24-7 trying to knock you down.

JRod, my man, I see what youre saying but wording it as such has the appeal and believeability of a shock post saying Vanilla Ice>>JayZ and KANE combined. I think your basic premise that drug dealers and gangstas have infiltrated the industry at unprecedented levels can have some truth to it because it has become a legitimate way to make money fior criminals. The thing that is wrong is that this is nothing new.. I moved around frequently as a "military brat" and in every neighborhood i moved in to the local record label who got the most attention from Cali to Jersey and in between was funded by drug money. This shit has gone on since "Ruthless Records" and Dre.. You mention Slip N Slide and Po' Boy and you should mention Suave House and Rap A LOT. These record labels have questionable beginnings right, but when were they made in "the realest era of todya" HELL NAW...back in the late 80's and early 90's A MUCH BETTER CANDIDATE FOR REALEST ERA.

Again Real doesnt equal GANGSTA, Credibility doesnt equal STreet Credibility. If you are specifically callin me out as a "hater who is on my job" Like Redman ILL BE DAT! Im on my job hatin something that I dont like just like you hate that I hate that shit... Now mixtapes and people gettin hot off the strength of their street sales and names are not even at an all time high. Wu-Tang came up off of their street strength...Too Short came up off their street strength...Master P came up off his street strength...Cash Money came up the same way ...Slip N SLIDE ...PO BOY...SUAVE HOUSE...all these niggas....all came up over 10 years ago...How the fuck is this the realest ERA when Independent Labels arent doin that well! How is this the realest era when all you hear are the same cookie cutter gangstas on the radio... Mainstream radio doesnt play Wale...wouldnt dare play Mos Def or anything...Now this may be hard for you to believe but at one point...You could turn to any given hip hop programming and hear things from all over and all styles...WU TANG, DJ QUIK, OUTKAST all played in the same hour telling you different stories and considered mainstream and underground. Try doin that in the realest era.

All these gangbangin niggas out there now, are they affliated maybe, but how deep are there ties...I dont know. Gangsta niggas who were affliated didnt make an effort to announce that shit back in "realer" eras. They wore black instead of red and blue and they were from deep in the heart of that shit.

 

[jrod44]

JRod, my man, I see what youre saying but wording it as such has the appeal and believeability of a shock post saying Vanilla Ice>>JayZ and KANE combined. I think your basic premise that drug dealers and gangstas have infiltrated the industry at unprecedented levels can have some truth to it because it has become a legitimate way to make money fior criminals. The thing that is wrong is that this is nothing new.. I moved around frequently as a "military brat" and in every neighborhood i moved in to the local record label who got the most attention from Cali to Jersey and in between was funded by drug money. This shit has gone on since "Ruthless Records" and Dre.. You mention Slip N Slide and Po' Boy and you should mention Suave House and Rap A LOT. These record labels have questionable beginnings right, but when were they made in "the realest era of todya" HELL NAW...back in the late 80's and early 90's A MUCH BETTER CANDIDATE FOR REALEST ERA.

Again Real doesnt equal GANGSTA, Credibility doesnt equal STreet Credibility. If you are specifically callin me out as a "hater who is on my job" Like Redman ILL BE DAT! Im on my job hatin something that I dont like just like you hate that I hate that shit... Now mixtapes and people gettin hot off the strength of their street sales and names are not even at an all time high. Wu-Tang came up off of their street strength...Too Short came up off their street strength...Master P came up off his street strength...Cash Money came up the same way ...Slip N SLIDE ...PO BOY...SUAVE HOUSE...all these niggas....all came up over 10 years ago...How the fuck is this the realest ERA when Independent Labels arent doin that well! How is this the realest era when all you hear are the same cookie cutter gangstas on the radio... Mainstream radio doesnt play Wale...wouldnt dare play Mos Def or anything...Now this may be hard for you to believe but at one point...You could turn to any given hip hop programming and hear things from all over and all styles...WU TANG, DJ QUIK, OUTKAST all played in the same hour telling you different stories and considered mainstream and underground. Try doin that in the realest era.

All these gangbangin niggas out there now, are they affliated maybe, but how deep are there ties...I dont know. Gangsta niggas who were affliated didnt make an effort to announce that shit back in "realer" eras. They wore black instead of red and blue and they were from deep in the heart of that shit.

1st off great response. I agree with alot of your points. The reason I call this the most real era is because that todays artist has to be so much more real, imo. If you look at todays highest selling artists, they are all regarded for their authenticity.FromJay to Jeezy to Gucci to Wayne to Eminem to 50 cent and etc..... These artists are regarded as being true and real. Rick Ross first gained notoriety in the streets of Miami before he blew up. Plies was a big mixtape artists down here before he got big. There street ties or connections were not questioned at the time, it was only when they got famous then people came out the woodwork, just like they had on all the other Superstars mentioned. You have northern artists who are popular such as Fabolous, and Maino who either went to jail or have their "street teams" The point is if you go down the line of artists and really examine them you will see that they are pretty close to the streets or have been, and moreso than any other era. Back then there were no 50 cents, or Guccis, or Jeezy with very credible street cred.

Maybe your correct, todays artist is more outspoken about their connections, but it does not mean those are not true. My problem is we always here how rap is so fake right now and this and that while I think its the contrary. I believe the industry is populated with Gangsters and the artists are reflective of that. Can you imagine any other time when a murderer was the hottest rapper?

But see just because you do not like the artist does not mean they arent real. I am saying that you cant get any success in this day and age without being real. And not just gangster. And yeah we do not know how deep ones ties are to any organization but these guys have to deal with these organizations, that is reality. You speak of Redman, and try to think that someone like Redman would most likely not to that level in this era. New Yorkers would not respect him as much unless he were RED man, as in Blood. And the radio does not play those diverse artists because the public is so tied up with being real, they only respect the dope boy rappers or the gangsters. So back to the basic point, the industry itself does not put up with fakeness. It is just that todays public will not stop until the only people left are just gang-bangers with mics, which has slowly been happening. Even Drake, a rich boy canadian could not attain this success, without getting with some street people.

 

[kingblaze84]

Um, no....Drake is not exactly a "hard" rapper yet is very popular nonetheless. Rick Ross was a correctional officer lol....Lil Wayne kissed another man on the lips....I see what you're saying tho, there are many real rappers out there, we know who they are. But this is not the most "real" era ever. I still think the 90s was...let's not forget 2pac and Wu-Tang were constantly checking fools back in the day (Mr. T voice).

 

[1of1]

You're painting with a broad brush homie. There is no way you can generalize as much as you do and be accurate.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

wow.... i have to disagree with that COMPLETELY, but i know what it's going to start so i'll just keep it movin, smh...

I concur kind of feels like threadstarter caught feelings about their favorite rappers fakeness...

 

[1of1]

Coming up from the ground level or "street" level does not make someone real. Being real is all based on an individuals actions. T/S said Lil' Wayne is regarded as being real? You mean the guy who's been rich since his pre-teens and claims to be a blood...hasn't gang banged a day in his life. Probably just hangs out with high profile bloods now b/c he is who he is. Rick Ross lied about being a CO until niggas pulled his file. I can respect the honest job, but I can't respect his actions (faking like it wasn't him until it was proven). Plies?? Did you really say Plies? The "goon" who hid in the bathroom at the Jamie Foxx video shoot in LA when crips approached the set. The guy who gets into character to rap and then speaks in a totally different manner. T/S your statement epitomizes the state of mainstream music in general today. In other words, it's backwards. As time goes on, fakeness is accepted more and more. Nowadays youngins say they don't care if it's fake, as long as they like how it sounds. This is the era in which people don't have a problem with biting. So if by "real" you mean FAKE, I agree.

 

[redhandedbandit]

Coming up from the ground level or "street" level does not make someone real. Being real is all based on an individuals actions. T/S said Lil' Wayne is regarded as being real? You mean the guy who's been rich since his pre-teens and claims to be a blood...hasn't gang banged a day in his life. Probably just hangs out with high profile bloods now b/c he is who he is. Rick Ross lied about being a CO until niggas pulled his file. I can respect the honest job, but I can't respect his actions (faking like it wasn't him until it was proven). Plies?? Did you really say Plies? The "goon" who hid in the bathroom at the Jamie Foxx video shoot in LA when crips approached the set. The guy who gets into character to rap and then speaks in a totally different manner. T/S your statement epitomizes the state of mainstream music in general today. In other words, it's backwards. As time goes on, fakeness is accepted more and more. Nowadays youngins say they don't care if it's fake, as long as they like how it sounds. This is the era in which people don't have a problem with biting. So if by "real" you mean FAKE, I agree.

cosign the above .................... rappers today< 90's 80's rappers

 

[joe_smoke]

we got gay people that rap

we got cops that rap

we got snitches that rap

we got old people that rap

we got a wack ass canadian rich boy that rap

i dont like this era at all

1. For real though, some of them are doing a lot better than the young ones and thats honestly the sad part of it all.

2. Do you listen to the music though? how does he come off as being fake?

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

JRod, my man, I see what youre saying but wording it as such has the appeal and believeability of a shock post saying Vanilla Ice>>JayZ and KANE combined. I think your basic premise that drug dealers and gangstas have infiltrated the industry at unprecedented levels can have some truth to it because it has become a legitimate way to make money fior criminals. The thing that is wrong is that this is nothing new.. I moved around frequently as a "military brat" and in every neighborhood i moved in to the local record label who got the most attention from Cali to Jersey and in between was funded by drug money. This shit has gone on since "Ruthless Records" and Dre.. You mention Slip N Slide and Po' Boy and you should mention Suave House and Rap A LOT. These record labels have questionable beginnings right, but when were they made in "the realest era of todya" HELL NAW...back in the late 80's and early 90's A MUCH BETTER CANDIDATE FOR REALEST ERA.

Again Real doesnt equal GANGSTA, Credibility doesnt equal STreet Credibility. If you are specifically callin me out as a "hater who is on my job" Like Redman ILL BE DAT! Im on my job hatin something that I dont like just like you hate that I hate that shit... Now mixtapes and people gettin hot off the strength of their street sales and names are not even at an all time high. Wu-Tang came up off of their street strength...Too Short came up off their street strength...Master P came up off his street strength...Cash Money came up the same way ...Slip N SLIDE ...PO BOY...SUAVE HOUSE...all these niggas....all came up over 10 years ago...How the fuck is this the realest ERA when Independent Labels arent doin that well! How is this the realest era when all you hear are the same cookie cutter gangstas on the radio... Mainstream radio doesnt play Wale...wouldnt dare play Mos Def or anything...Now this may be hard for you to believe but at one point...You could turn to any given hip hop programming and hear things from all over and all styles...WU TANG, DJ QUIK, OUTKAST all played in the same hour telling you different stories and considered mainstream and underground. Try doin that in the realest era.

All these gangbangin niggas out there now, are they affliated maybe, but how deep are there ties...I dont know. Gangsta niggas who were affliated didnt make an effort to announce that shit back in "realer" eras. They wore black instead of red and blue and they were from deep in the heart of that shit.

quoted for realness...

 

[5th Letter]

This discussion is a microcosm of a part of the problem with hip hop today.

 

[longbeach_turnt_up]

I agree.....in todays rap if u call yourself a gangsta rapper and makin gangsta music u have to be a gangsta or have been a gangsta, because everything your doing or did is under a microscope and folks or waiting to discredit anything u did or said to be untrue, so i dont see too many "fake artist" making it through to become successful in gangsta and street rap.

 

[Focal Point]

*sighs*...

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

I agree.....in todays rap if u call yourself a gangsta rapper and makin gangsta music u have to be a gangsta or have been a gangsta, because everything your doing or did is under a microscope and folks or waiting to discredit anything u did or said to be untrue, so i dont see too many "fake artist" making it through to become successful in gangsta and street rap.

seriously lets name a few that your assessment does not apply to Rick Ross, Plies, Drake, Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, etc. Fakes pay out soime cash get co signed and you non street Kats eat it up the shit is disgusting...