"Things that cause rape"

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RodrigueZz;4817780 said:
RodrigueZz;4817780 said:
I did not know that knowing there is an associated risk contributed to victims refusing to see justice done. Would not really expect that either.

What do we tell potential victims though - that the risk does not exist? It does exist. It should not, and rapists who make it exist are definitely in the wrong, but there is risk solely in being a woman - that's a genetically predetermined risk that can not even be prevented - so why add more potential for bad to happen?

let me put this is simpler terms, mmmkay... yes women should take precautions

but because we live in a culture that blames the victim, for the most part

women often feel guilty/ responsible for the rape ...or feel as though no one will believe them because they were drunk or had a bad reputation...

hence the reason why many of them don't the rape to any authority figure...
 
Not all rape accusations are legit. Is that under consideration here ?

Because in a real rape situation, who is accusing the victim ?

Or is it simply because people actually require the accuser to prove it that they feel they're being accused ?
 
"Most rapists have access to a sexual partner."

I presume they mean consenting sexual partner?

If rape was not about sex at all in any way, shape or form and entirely about violence then why isn't all rape violent in manner? It manifests itself as sex, and that in itself makes it sexual, at least superficially. But considering the fact that countless animals that reproduce sexually rape and those that reproduce asexually do not it is a little extreme to say rape isn't about sex at all.

 
a.mann;4817885 said:
Jamaica;4817863 said:
so

take precaution=victim blaming

got it

if she doesn't take "precaution", who's to blame?

The wrong doer obviously. Not taking precaution is not something that effects anyone except yourself whereas rape is an imposition on another human being which makes it inherently worse.
 
Azad;4817420 said:
Azad;4817420 said:
*this can potentially be a long post*

*it turned out long as fuck, but read if you a fan of real shit*

First people in this thread are debating two different things. We all agree rape in any form is wrong. Any time a girl says no and some one forcibly takes the pussy is wrong. That's clear as day.

Now some people here are saying women should take some steps that might decrease the chance of rape. There is nothing wrong with this. No one is saying you can protect yourself from the dude who is waiting in the bushes. Something like that is unpreventable, but some rapes are. For example, don't get drunk around dudes. ain't nothing wrong with this. Drunk people can't think clear, this is a fact. I personally don't drink around chicks for fear of cheating on my girl. When I'm drunk, I might make the wrong decision and fuck a bitch, so I don't drink around chicks. why cant girls do the same? When you go to a party, and there is mad dudes and only a few chicks, drinking moderately should be the smart thing to do. When you get drunk, you might flirt excessively with a dude, kiss him, grab his dick, rub his shit, and that motherfucker because he's drunk might want more and fuck you without you wanting it to go that far. Under normal circumstances that man wouldn't have raped, and under normal circumstances you wouldn't have flirted with that man, but alcohol fucks people up. So is drinking less at a party to protect yourself a bad thing really? Also, don't be the last girl left at the party with dudes. people bounce, you bounce. I would never stay at a party, drunk, WITH GIRLS THAT I KNOW AND TRUST after a party cause even though I might known them and trust them, after a party, while I'm drunk, ima probably end up fucking a bitch, and cheat on my girl. Half the time, it might not even be my fault, a drunk bitch could just walk up and grab my dick and be being drunk, ill fuck the bitch. If I can take protective measures not to cheat on my girl and leave when people leave, why can't a girl do the same to avoid situations? shit ain't hard or anything.

Im just saying drunk people do dumb shit, and a girl should always be careful about where she gets drunk.

With that said, @lil loca, there is nothing I hate more then a rapist yo. a rapist should get killed. I agree. But at the same time, you have to understand that men ans women are human, and humans are animals yo. Men are built to fuck, we have hormones and animal instincts, and we get our drive off finding some pussy to fuck. With that said, all these things about equality and a girl wanting to walk around naked is cool and all, but the same biology that made men animals when it comes to sex, gave you a brain to avoid certain situations.

I ain't condoning rape by any means and in hate a rapist, and that sick dude who rapes not for the pussy but the power, that dude can never be avoided and deserves death, but some of these party and people I trust rapes can be avoided with some common sense yo. word up.

i love how the most sensible post on the IC always get overlooked
 
a.mann;4817885 said:
Jamaica;4817863 said:
so

take precaution=victim blaming

got it

if she doesn't take "precaution", who's to blame?

why y'all get so hung up on people saying use precaution? is there something i'm missing?

i know not to go to certain places at certain times of the day/night. because there is a chance that something could happen to me. that's called taking precaution.

why cant that same logic apply here?

why go someplace by yourself and get drunk in front of a bunch of strangers?

why walk to a strange place late at night by yourself?

how about going to a dude that you just met place for the first time, these are avoidable.

this increase the chance of rape.

btw the only person to blame is the rapist, because it's your right as a person to go places. but there are risks involved regardless of your rights.
 
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desertrain10;4817857 said:
RodrigueZz;4817780 said:
RodrigueZz;4817780 said:
I did not know that knowing there is an associated risk contributed to victims refusing to see justice done. Would not really expect that either.

What do we tell potential victims though - that the risk does not exist? It does exist. It should not, and rapists who make it exist are definitely in the wrong, but there is risk solely in being a woman - that's a genetically predetermined risk that can not even be prevented - so why add more potential for bad to happen?

let me put this is simpler terms, mmmkay... yes women should take precautions

but because we live in a culture that blames the victim, for the most part

women often feel guilty/ responsible for the rape ...or feel as though no one will believe them because they were drunk or had a bad reputation...

hence the reason why many of them don't the rape to any authority figure...

"but don't you think that' alil counterproductive at this point, especially considering this line of thinking is the reason why so many rapes go unreported..."

So you agree that the risk should be acknowledged but feel it is counter productive. Obviously not enough to say caution should not be exhibited so then.. what is your proposed course of action?
 
Jamaica;4817913 said:
Jamaica;4817913 said:
a.mann;4817885 said:
Jamaica;4817863 said:
so

take precaution=victim blaming

got it

if she doesn't take "precaution", who's to blame?

why y'all get so hung up on people saying use precaution? is there something i'm missing?

i know not to go certain places at certain times of the day/night. because there is a chance that something could happen to me. that's called taking precaution.

why cant that same logic apply here?

why go someplace by yourself and get drunk in front of a bunch of strangers?

why walk dont a strange place late by yourself?

how about going to a dude that you just met place for the first time, these are avoidable.

this increase the chance of rape.

btw the only person to blame is the rapist, because it's your right as a person to go places. but there are risks involved regardless of your rights.

a female runs the "risk" of ruining her panties if she knows it's that time of month, yet does not take proper precautions,

a female should not run the "risk" of getting rape, because she did not take the proper precautions

there's a difference
 
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Taking precaution in getting hit by a drunk driver:

Never drive again

Taking precaution in being murdered:

Don't be alive in the first place


This taking caution argument yall rape apologists are using is ridiculous and is indeed a way of blaming the victim. What's so hard about placing the blame on the rapist?
 
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GZus;4817973 said:
Taking precaution in getting hit by a drunk driver:

Never drive again

Taking precaution in being murdered:

Don't be alive in the first place


This taking caution argument yall rape apologists are using is ridiculous and is indeed a way of blaming the victim. What's so hard about placing the blame on the rapist?

if only she would have walk THAT way home...........

if only she would have wore her long lumberjack shirt and hiking boots.....

if only she would have waited till leave with everyone else........

if only she would have wore that cheap Walmart body mist and instead of the Victoria Secret....

if only she had her 9MM on her...........

if only she would have been married and not single.......

 
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a.mann;4817966 said:
Jamaica;4817913 said:
Jamaica;4817913 said:
a.mann;4817885 said:
Jamaica;4817863 said:
so

take precaution=victim blaming

got it

if she doesn't take "precaution", who's to blame?

why y'all get so hung up on people saying use precaution? is there something i'm missing?

i know not to go certain places at certain times of the day/night. because there is a chance that something could happen to me. that's called taking precaution.

why cant that same logic apply here?

why go someplace by yourself and get drunk in front of a bunch of strangers?

why walk dont a strange place late by yourself?

how about going to a dude that you just met place for the first time, these are avoidable.

this increase the chance of rape.

btw the only person to blame is the rapist, because it's your right as a person to go places. but there are risks involved regardless of your rights.

a female runs the "risk" of ruining her panties if she knows it's that time of month, yet does not take proper precautions,

a female should not run the "risk" of getting rape, because did not take the proper precautions

there's a difference

read my post again
 
GZus;4817973 said:
Taking precaution in getting hit by a drunk driver:

Never drive again

Taking precaution in being murdered:

Don't be alive in the first place


This taking caution argument yall rape apologists are using is ridiculous and is indeed a way of blaming the victim. What's so hard about placing the blame on the rapist?

no one with common sense is "blaming the victim"

what i mean by precaution is if you're going to a bar/club etc. make sure you go with friends. dont leave the bar with a strange dude. dont get drunk in front of strangers etc. these are precautions that may lessen the chance of a rape.

 
How the fuck do you teach/convince a sick minded rapist to NOT RAPE? I don't think any reasonable minded father neglects showing his son how to/not to treat women and rape is just one of those understood things. Some shit you just know is wrong without anybody telling you it's wrong. You think a rapist don't know what he's doing is wrong? He just don't give a shit and most likely was the same way as a kid regardless of being told "johnny, raping is wrong"

 
Jamaica;4818047 said:
GZus;4817973 said:
Taking precaution in getting hit by a drunk driver:

Never drive again

Taking precaution in being murdered:

Don't be alive in the first place


This taking caution argument yall rape apologists are using is ridiculous and is indeed a way of blaming the victim. What's so hard about placing the blame on the rapist?

no one with common sense is "blaming the victim"

what i mean by precaution is if you're going to a bar/club etc. make sure you go with friends. dont leave the bar with a strange dude. dont get drunk in front of strangers etc. these are precautions that may lessen the chance of a rape.

lol @ "lessen the chance of rape"

1. Bar/club etc. make sure you go with friends

What if she don't have friends? Should she not go out?

2. Dont leave the bar with a strange dude

So every woman should assume every man she meets is a rapist? Because every dude a woman hasn't known her entire life is essentially a stranger

3. dont get drunk in front of strangers

See above

 
RodrigueZz;4817942 said:
desertrain10;4817857 said:
RodrigueZz;4817780 said:
RodrigueZz;4817780 said:
I did not know that knowing there is an associated risk contributed to victims refusing to see justice done. Would not really expect that either.

What do we tell potential victims though - that the risk does not exist? It does exist. It should not, and rapists who make it exist are definitely in the wrong, but there is risk solely in being a woman - that's a genetically predetermined risk that can not even be prevented - so why add more potential for bad to happen?

let me put this is simpler terms, mmmkay... yes women should take precautions

but because we live in a culture that blames the victim, for the most part

women often feel guilty/ responsible for the rape ...or feel as though no one will believe them because they were drunk or had a bad reputation...

hence the reason why many of them don't the rape to any authority figure...

"but don't you think that' alil counterproductive at this point, especially considering this line of thinking is the reason why so many rapes go unreported..."

So you agree that the risk should be acknowledged but feel it is counter productive. Obviously not enough to say caution should not be exhibited so then.. what is your proposed course of action?

while i agree w/ women taking certain precautions .... like not walking alone at night. but only up to a point. if women cannot move in the world in the same way men can because of the fear of rape, they are second class citizens...

and really we should be focusing on the root of the problem: why is sexual abuse such a problem? about 10% of college-aged men admit to rape as long as the word rape isn’t used so obviously its a societal problem....

as far as solutions go, how about we ask men to modify their behavior, and emphasize to young men that if a woman is visibly drunk or high don't continue to have sex with her....how about we make the penalties for rape harsher... make sure the legal system doesn't make the victim's name public etc

there's no silver bullet, plenty more we could do though...

 
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