The Official Dragonball Super Thread (All my DBZ fans come in here)

[CashmoneyDux]

You gotta remember what trunks said in the android saga. Powering up in SSJ form strains the body and uses up ki. Each level up from there adds more muscles, making them slower. Uses a lot of ki, an strains there body. That's why when whis was training them in god form he told them to hide they aura cause its a waste or ki. Not to mention god form is smaller compared to a SS3.

And I addressed this earlier. Go look up full powered super saiyan

 

[Paprika]

You gotta remember what trunks said in the android saga. Powering up in SSJ form strains the body and uses up ki. Each level up from there adds more muscles, making them slower. Uses a lot of ki, an strains there body. That's why when whis was training them in god form he told them to hide they aura cause its a waste or ki. Not to mention god form is smaller compared to a SS3.

You skipped over a big part, the forms Vegeta and Trunks used increased their mass, which would obviously hinder their movement, stamina and body.

Super Saiyan 2 is the best of both worlds, speed and Muscle mass without the bloated mass that Vegeta and Trunks had.

Kakarot and Gohan mastered the first form by reducing the ki and stress used on their bodies. SSJ3 is the only consumption heavy form. Vegeta hasn't mastered any of his forms and will never master the God Form either.

And Cabba really wouldn't be able to sense the raise in Vegeta's ki if he went SSJ2? Really? Y'all are drinking what Toriyama is selling.

 

[Qiv_Owan]

Wait what

SS3>>>SSG

?? The fuck bruh...someone elaborate

 

[The Lonious Monk]

That shit wowed me as a kid.

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You are reaching hard right now

lol How am I reaching? Yeah it worked on you as a kid because you can't do any of that shit. Again, Cabba just managed to learn how to go SSJ in the span of like 10 mins. Given that fact, which one would have more effect, Vegeta using a form that looks largely the same with some minor differences or Vegeta using a form that looks and feels different for those who see it?

 

[OmegaConflict]

Wait what

SS3>>>SSG

?? The fuck bruh...someone elaborate

Dont waste your time on it bruh the power levels are trash Transformations were only used to promote merchandise. Toryami lost complete control over that shit decades ago.

 

[iron man1]

You gotta remember what trunks said in the android saga. Powering up in SSJ form strains the body and uses up ki. Each level up from there adds more muscles, making them slower. Uses a lot of ki, an strains there body. That's why when whis was training them in god form he told them to hide they aura cause its a waste or ki. Not to mention god form is smaller compared to a SS3.

You skipped over a big part, the forms Vegeta and Trunks used increased their mass, which would obviously hinder their movement, stamina and body.

Super Saiyan 2 is the best of both worlds, speed and Muscle mass without the bloated mass that Vegeta and Trunks had.

Kakarot and Gohan mastered the first form by reducing the ki and stress used on their bodies. SSJ3 is the only consumption heavy form. Vegeta hasn't mastered any of his forms and will never master the God Form either.

And Cabba really wouldn't be able to sense the raise in Vegeta's ki if he went SSJ2? Really? Y'all are drinking what Toriyama is selling.

Vegeta is the one that figured out how to utilize ki in that hyperbolic place where they couldn't move of course he could master the form along with Vegeta. They both mastered ss2 as well which is why Vegeta could keep up with Goku despite the ss3 advantage.

 

[OmegaConflict]

I haven't seen any of the blogs talk about this but what did VADOS do to champa that stopped him from killing Hit and Goku before the Ominigod showed up

 

[CashmoneyDux]

You gotta remember what trunks said in the android saga. Powering up in SSJ form strains the body and uses up ki. Each level up from there adds more muscles, making them slower. Uses a lot of ki, an strains there body. That's why when whis was training them in god form he told them to hide they aura cause its a waste or ki. Not to mention god form is smaller compared to a SS3.

You skipped over a big part, the forms Vegeta and Trunks used increased their mass, which would obviously hinder their movement, stamina and body.

Super Saiyan 2 is the best of both worlds, speed and Muscle mass without the bloated mass that Vegeta and Trunks had.

Kakarot and Gohan mastered the first form by reducing the ki and stress used on their bodies. SSJ3 is the only consumption heavy form. Vegeta hasn't mastered any of his forms and will never master the God Form either.

And Cabba really wouldn't be able to sense the raise in Vegeta's ki if he went SSJ2? Really? Y'all are drinking what Toriyama is selling.

Vegeta is the one that figured out how to utilize ki in that hyperbolic place where they couldn't move of course he could master the form along with Vegeta. They both mastered ss2 as well which is why Vegeta could keep up with Goku despite the ss3 advantage.

Vegeta fought goku as ssj3? When was this

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I haven't seen any of the blogs talk about this but what did VADOS do to champa that stopped him from killing Hit and Goku before the Ominiking showed up

Nothing. Omnigod's arrival was what stopped Champa. All Vados did was direct Champa's attention to his presence.

 

[OmegaConflict]

I haven't seen any of the blogs talk about this but what did VADOS do to champa that stopped him from killing Hit and Goku before the Ominiking showed up

Nothing. Omnigod's arrival was what stopped Champa. All Vados did was direct Champa's attention to his presence.

Rewatch that episode

 

[Mister B.]

I think all the SSJ levels need to be throughly explained from the top again...folks are highly confused:

Base - duh.

Oozaru/Great Ape - Transformation done by tailed Saiyans when looking upon a full moon or the artificial moon technique. 10x increase. Used by Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta in the canon. Given to Nappa, Radditz, King Vegeta, Bardock, and Selipa/Fasha in secondary sources.

Super Saiyan - The iconic original form first obtained by Goku in his fight with Freeza. Spiky gold hair, Green eyes, massive power boost. Stated in secondary sources as a 50x increase over base. Used by Goku, Gohan, Goten, Vegeta, Both Trunks, Gotenks, and Vegetto in the canon. Bardock, Brolly, Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. obtained it in secondary sources. Has 3 sub-forms that are basically, reallocation of the SSJ power and not new forms.

-Ultra Super Saiyan/Ascended Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan Grade 2 - First used by Vegeta to fight Semi-Perfect Cell. Increases the muscles size and makes the hair spikier. No speed loss was ever attributed to this form which is a common misconception. Used by Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks in the canon.

-Ultra Super Saiyan 2/Super Saiyan Grade 3 - First used by Future Trunks to fight Perfect Cell. Super Spiky hair and a massive muscle increase to the point of slowing down the users movements. Similar to the technique used by Master Roshi and Perfect Cell. Used by Goku and Trunks in the canon.

-Full Power Super Saiyan - First used by Goku to fight Perfect Cell at the Cell Games. The form is about removing the strain from maintaining the base SSJ form making it the users base so they don't have to waste energy transforming, powering up, or maintaining the form allowing more energy to be used for fighting. When in a relaxed state the users have light gold, almost blond hair. Used by Goku and Gohan in the canon

(No multipler has been given to the sub-forms in any secondary sources)

Super Saiyan 2 - First used by Gohan to fight Perfect Cell. Described by Goku as a Super Saiyan that's gone beyond a Super Saiyan. Much spikier hair and lightning around the user. Massive power gain. Secondary sources list it as a 2x increase from SSJ. Used by Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta in the canon. Gotenks, Future Trunks, Future Gohan obtain it in secondary sources.

Super Saiyan 3 - First used by Goku to fight Fat Buu. Described by Goku as a Super Saiyan that's gone beyond a Super Saiyan that's gone beyond a Super Saiyan. Hair grows down to ass level, eyebrows go away, and lightning surrounds the user. The greatest power increase among the canon Super Saiyan forms but excessively drains energy. Secondary sources list it as a 4x increase from SSJ2. Used by Goku and Gotenks in the canon. Vegeta, Brolly, Trunks, Future Gohan, and Gogeta obtain it in secondary sources.

***Since the Golden Ape & Super Saiyan 4 forms were deemed non-canon, they shall be omitted***

Super Saiyan God - The ritual needed to achieve the Super Saiyan God transformation. It requires five righteous Saiyans to perform and a sixth Saiyan to channel the ritual and ki into. When in this form, the Saiyan's general appearance remains unchanged with the exception of a few slight differences: the skin tone becomes darker; the hair loses any stray hair, lifts up slightly and gains the user's Super Saiyan form bangs, as well as adopts a red coloring; the Saiyan's eyes grow, becoming sharper and the irises become red; the overall body structure appears to become younger, thinner, and slightly taller; the aura becomes more explosive and flame-like in appearance. First achieved by Goku in the Battle of the Gods film, then later by Vegeta.

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan Blue - This form is nearly identical to the first Super Saiyan form, the only differences being that the hair is light blue in color while the overall body structure is thinner and slightly taller. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan boasts a vibrant, fiery, electric blue aura, as opposed to the red-orange aura from Super Saiyan God. t is also said by both Goku and Vegeta that this form requires ki control and focus, so that means that this form has better ki control, unlike the Super Saiyan form. Because of its better ki control this form can be combined with the Kaio-ken. First achieved by Goku, and then by Vegeta.

 

[iron man1]

You gotta remember what trunks said in the android saga. Powering up in SSJ form strains the body and uses up ki. Each level up from there adds more muscles, making them slower. Uses a lot of ki, an strains there body. That's why when whis was training them in god form he told them to hide they aura cause its a waste or ki. Not to mention god form is smaller compared to a SS3.

You skipped over a big part, the forms Vegeta and Trunks used increased their mass, which would obviously hinder their movement, stamina and body.

Super Saiyan 2 is the best of both worlds, speed and Muscle mass without the bloated mass that Vegeta and Trunks had.

Kakarot and Gohan mastered the first form by reducing the ki and stress used on their bodies. SSJ3 is the only consumption heavy form. Vegeta hasn't mastered any of his forms and will never master the God Form either.

And Cabba really wouldn't be able to sense the raise in Vegeta's ki if he went SSJ2? Really? Y'all are drinking what Toriyama is selling.

Vegeta is the one that figured out how to utilize ki in that hyperbolic place where they couldn't move of course he could master the form along with Vegeta. They both mastered ss2 as well which is why Vegeta could keep up with Goku despite the ss3 advantage.

Vegeta fought goku as ssj3? When was this

I'm saying Goku amd Vegeta were even at SS2 and Goku would've needed SS3 to tip the scale.

 

[rebel_rell43]

Vegeta was never an will never be equal to Goku. SNS

 

[coop9889]

The argument of why vegega used ssb against cabba is silly. Of course he would use his highest level. Gives something for cabba to aspire to.

 

[KamPushMe]

You forgot ss4 lol

 

[CashmoneyDux]

The argument of why vegega used ssb against cabba is silly. Of course he would use his highest level. Gives something for cabba to aspire to.

Lmao wtf he can't aspire to, I don't know, go anything beyond ss1, like ALL of the forms they came up with In Dbz?

 

[CashmoneyDux]

That shit wowed me as a kid.

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You are reaching hard right now

lol How am I reaching? Yeah it worked on you as a kid because you can't do any of that shit. Again, Cabba just managed to learn how to go SSJ in the span of like 10 mins. Given that fact, which one would have more effect, Vegeta using a form that looks largely the same with some minor differences or Vegeta using a form that looks and feels different for those who see it?

Bro what? You keep saying it doesn't look different when I just posted pictures that clearly show a distinct difference. And lolol they can all sense ki. That's like a main thing in this entire series. They can tell when you get stronger just like it was a big deal in the cell saga when Gohan went ssj2 and it wowed everyone because they also couldn't do it. You don't think a nigga that just learned how to be a super saiyan wouldnt be wowed by the next level? You reaching

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Goku endlessly keeps getting stronger, with Super Saiyan 3 in the manga and Super Saiyan 4 in the anime; does Super Saiyan keep getting limitlessly stronger too? Might we eventually see things such as a Super Saiyan 5…?! Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.

These are toriyama exact words about ss2 and ss3

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Goku endlessly keeps getting stronger, with Super Saiyan 3 in the manga and Super Saiyan 4 in the anime; does Super Saiyan keep getting limitlessly stronger too? Might we eventually see things such as a Super Saiyan 5…?! Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.

These are toriyama exact words about ss2 and ss3

And this is shitty writing. How you gon change the whole definition of Ss2 and 3? It was obvious, even said by characters that it wasnt just a variation of super saiyan it was a step up. Go watch the buu fight. But yall keep letting toriyama change the story on you. He made ssj2 and 3 a footnote and even further diminished the whole point of them learning the intricacies of the ssj1 form during the Cell saga. Idk how yall are arguing that Toriyama isnt revising the history of the show.

 

[iron man1]

Vegeta was never an will never be equal to Goku. SNS

Chill...he was stronger in the sayain saga UNTIL Goku trained in 100x gravity and he was a bit stronger when he first became SS. Then they went back n forth with the hyperbolic training until ss3 gave him the full advantage. In DBS they are currently even training under Whis.