The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[Punisher__]

Damn KingofNYC needs to step his Game Up Rapemastermind has a jaw lock on Biggies dick, Necrophylia at its worst... I wonder if youstans fight over who loves Biggie more amongst yourselves or is there enough of your Big Poppa for you weirdos to share...

ROFL.

Ethered them weirdos.

 

[rapmastermind]

"Biggie was average" - Soloman and Punisher

Well damn a lot rappers took lyrics from this average emcee. I guess that makes the rest of Hip Hop Average considering Biggie is a Top 3 sampled artist in Rap History. You guys are running out things to say. You said the same thing last year when I signed up yet here we are a year later and more rappers took Biggie lyrics. Jay Z still biting Biggie. NaS used Biggie's verse on his last album. Not to mention his movie came out and made a lot of money at the box office and DVD. Sorry, you can dislike Biggie and his music but saying he was avearge is like saying Jordan was average. Biggie was one of the BEST and history confirms this year after year. How Much of Biggie's rhymes going to come out Hip Hop's damn lips?

 

[Punisher__]

"Biggie was average" - Soloman and Punisher

Well damn a lot rappers took lyrics from this average emcee. I guess that makes the rest of Hip Hop Average considering Biggie is a Top 3 sampled artist in Rap History. You guys are running out things to say. You said the same thing last year when I signed up yet here we are a year later and more rappers took Biggie lyrics. Jay Z still biting Biggie. NaS used Biggie's verse on his last album. Not to mention his movie came out and made a lot of money at the box office and DVD. Sorry, you can dislike Biggie and his music but saying he was avearge is like saying Jordan was average. Biggie was one of the BEST and history confirms this year after year. How Much of Biggie's rhymes going to come out Hip Hop's damn lips?

Let's go ahead and proclaim Britney Spears the GOAT, since people have borrowed from her.

 

[Punisher__]

While we're at it, let's give Beyonce the GOAT title.

Or better yet, how about Lil' Kim?

Maybe even Foxy.

Vanilla Ice, perhaps?

What you guys think?

 

[rapmastermind]

Let's go ahead and proclaim Britney Spears the GOAT, since people have borrowed from her.

Honestly Puniser this is why I never commented on your thread. Yes I could of shut this anology down but you are making yourself foolish to compare Britney to Biggie. Britney has done nothing new, innovated or groundbreaking that Janet Jackson, Madonna, Whitney or Mariah didn't do before her. She has never been ranked the BEST of Pop music. Biggie on the other hand has so that comparsion is null and void. Yes Britney has had Impact but non of her work is considered "CLASSIC" material. Biggie like Jimi Hendrix, changed the game and is ranked with the best of his genre. So according to you Jimi Hendrix can't be the GOAT cause he only had 3 albums. LOL. Santana and Eric Clapton have way more albums than Jimi yet even both of them admit he's the GOAT. Jimi is the GOAT on everyone's list as far as gutair players which proves quality over quanity. We don't need anymore Jimi albums to know he was the best. Just like we don't need anymore Biggie albums to know he's one of if not the ILLest. Your issue is you like to focus on the amount of the material instead of what that Material did. LOL @ Brintney = Biggie. LOL. What influence had Britney really had? Again you can trace everything she's done to Janet and Madonna easily. Try again.

 

[Punisher__]

Honestly Puniser this is why I never commented on your thread. Yes I could of shut this anology down but you are making yourself foolish to compare Britney to Biggie. Britney has done nothing new, innovated or groundbreaking that Janet Jackson, Madonna, Whitney or Mariah didn't do before her. She has never been ranked the BEST of Pop music. Biggie on the other hand has so that comparsion is null and void. Yes Britney has had Impact but non of her work is considered "CLASSIC" material. Biggie like Jimi Hendrix, changed the game and is ranked with the best of his genre. So according to you Jimi Hendrix can't be the GOAT cause he only had 3 albums. LOL. Santana and Eric Clapton have way more albums than Jimi yet even both of them admit he's the GOAT. Jimi is the GOAT on everyone's list as far as gutair players which proves quality over quanity. We don't need anymore Jimi albums to know he was the best. Just like we don't need anymore Biggie albums to know he's one of if not the ILLest. Your issue is you like to focus on the amount of the material instead of what that Material did. LOL @ Brintney = Biggie. LOL. What influence had Britney really had? Again you can trace everything she's done to Janet and Madonna easlier. Try again.

Your logic is still just as flawed and delusional now, as it was before the IC went down.

First off, Britney hasn't done anything new. She borrowed from the likes of Madonna and Janet. Okay. Point taken. But apply that same logic to Biggie. What exactly did HE do that was so artistic/atypical/different at that time? NOTHING! Did Biggie not borrow from his predecessors? Did Biggie not take from the likes of BDK, Rakim, Kool G Rap, etc...to create the Biggie brand? Yes, he did. The same way that Biggie took from his idols, Britney took from hers. So please shut the fuck up with your hallucinations.

And lol @ Britney has never been ranked the best of pop music. Who do you think had/has the title "Princess of Pop", the heiress to Madonna? Sure wasn't Taylor Swift.

And I find it quite sickening that you're equating Biggie with rock pioneer, Jimi Hendrix.

Jimi Hendrix's legend stems far beyond the fact that he was a kickass guitar player. He started a movement. Biggie was only a product of one.

There is a difference.

 

[Punisher__]

Honestly, rapmastermind, you've become the most transparent poster on this site.

You've tried to parallel Biggie with Jimi Hendrix, James Dean, Janis Joplin, etc, etc, etc.

And each comparison has been shut down.

Just give it up.

 

[rapmastermind]

Honestly, rapmastermind, you've become the most transparent poster on this site.

You've tried to parallel Biggie with Jimi Hendrix, James Dean, Janis Joplin, etc, etc, etc.

And each comparison has been shut down.

Just give it up.

You= You can't be the BEST with Limited Material

Jimi Hendrix = Considered the Best with Limited Material

Only person shut down was you. Again you exact words were you can't be the best of a genre with limited Material yet Jimi is on everyone's GOAT list. Look you don't like Biggie. Fine, but you can't downplay his history or success, it's cemented. Comparing him to Brintney just hurts your agruement and you come off like you don't want to give Biggie any credit. Also Big's only been gone for about 15 years. Jimi has been gone for over 40. At the rate Biggie's being sampled, his legacy will be even Bigger by year 40. Sorry if you don't see it coming. Again I have nothing to really debate about. You guys are on the outside looking in. Biggie is universally co-signed, time to face facts.

 

[Punisher__]

You= You can't be the BEST with Limited Material

Jimi Hendrix = Considered the Best with Limited Material

Only person shut down was you. Again you exact words were you can't be the best of a genre with limited Material yet Jimi is on everyone's GOAT list. Look you don't like Biggie. Fine, but you can't downplay his history or success, it's cemented. Comparing him to Brintney just hurts your agruement and you come off like you don't want to give Biggie any credit.

You're speaking on Jimi as if he just so happened to be a great guitar player with a small repertoire, and that's it.

But his legend goes far beyond that.

Even with his limited material, he created a movement that still persists to this day. Same with James Dean. Same with Janis Joplin.

Biggie's material was only a product of a movement. He did not create one.

Look up any list of "Greatest artists of the Rock n Roll era", and tell me whose names are constantly mentioned within the top 3.

 

[rapmastermind]

You're speaking on Jimi as if he just so happened to be a great guitar player with a small repertoire, and that's it.

But his legend goes far beyond that.

Even with his limited material, he created a movement that still persists to this day. Same with James Dean. Same with Janis Joplin.

Biggie's material was only a product of a movement. He did not create one.

Look up any list of "Greatest artists of the Rock n Roll era", and tell me whose names are constantly mentioned within the top 3.

The reason I'm bringing up Jimi was cause 1st I was in his studio this morning "Electric Lady Studio" in downtown Manhatten where albums like "Like Water for Chocolate" and "Untitled/N!gger" were recorded and while I was there I thought about how Big Jimi's Legecy was dispite only releasing 3 albums during his lifetime. Also his Legacy was one that I studied, I also love his music. Shockingly after his death there were writers saying he wasn't the Best cause 'He didn't release enough albums". Yet here we are 40 years later and it's pretty much accepted he's probably the GOAT. This is what's happening with Biggie to me. At first people were unsure but now the chorus is getting louder and louder. I never once said Biggie "WAS" equal to or on the same level as Jimi. But you can't deny the obvious comparison of limited material that had Impact. Yes Jimi's movement was also political so I understand his Impact greatly. But understand Big's Impact was very great for the time he came out. You even claimed "Biggie didn't have a movement" How can anyone take you seriously with that statement? Were you asleep throughout the whole 90's? Biggie had one of the greatest movements in Hip Hop History. How can the amount of rappers that have taken Biggie's lyrics, beats and style and you not understanding his Impact and Influence? Jay Z and NaS both had grammy winning and nominated songs that sampled Biggie in 08 and 09 over a decade later.

What do you think is going to happen 20 years later or 30 years later? We just passed the 15th anniversary of "Ready To Die" and it's acclaim has only gotten Bigger. This month is the 13th annivesary of "Life After Death" and everyone knows that album's Impact and Influence is untouchable. Pac legacy is getting bigger and bigger also. This is not a mistake. Both Big and Pac will be considered GOATS for many years to come. Again, you don't think Big was all that. Cool. But screaming up and down isn't going to change his Legendary status and placement in hip hop history. You may not have him Top 10 and others may not have him Top 10 but he IS Top 10 on majority of all list. Majority isn't always right which history has shown but they do get it right and Biggie was no different. Lastly, the Greatest artist of our generation, Michael Jackson understood Biggie was special musically. That says something about his legecy cause we all know Michael was the GOAT. And the GOAT only put 1 rapper on more than one of his albums, that rapper was Biggie Smalls. Yes, "Heal the World" Michael had Biggie Smalls on his last 2 albums while he was alive. That connection alone will keep Big's legend strong for many years to come. It's best you just start to see what's already happen. Legends never die, they just get bigger.

 

[Punisher__]

What did Biggie do, musically/artistically, that wasn't done years before him? Did he popularize anything?

That's what I mean when I said he did not create a movement because he didn't. His material was the product of one.

Every artist that you've tried to compare with Biggie, as having limited material, pioneered something. James Dean started "method" acting. Janis Joplin broke down barriers for white female rock singers in the late 60's and from that point forward. Jimi Hendrix made the guitar famous.

What exactly did Biggie do...besides make music that was successful on the charts?

 

[Smo-King Locs]

Snoop is a Pussy ass nigga...i lost all kinds of respect 4 this nigga... here is a video of snoop & pac live on stage in 96'...Pac was talking his shyt about Biggie, and look who's egging him on ? Snoop Pussy Puss...
[video=youtube;YVoSuJyjUNs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVoSuJyjUNs[/video]
why he wasn't saying that shyt when PAc was alive?... honestly it could of went either way beetween Big & Pac...Pac wasn't no Nas,Jay,Or Rakim, but ya niggaz is acting like he a Gucci Mane type rapper...

-curious?/
spittin' lyrics, on tha verge of furious/
i'm addicted to currency, nigga that's why we're doin this/
I got shot up/ I surprised them niggas, the way I got up/
and then I hit the studio, It's time to blow the block up/
No hesitation/
this information/ got you contemplatin' /
heartbreakin'/ and eliminatin' with this conversation/
break him, and let him see the face of a mental patient/
it's a celebration/ of my criminal elevation/
with the participation/ of members across tha fifty states/
to keep the nation anticipatin'/ until we break /
will I be great, is it my fate ?/
to live the life of luxury
some niggas bought my tapes/ so much jealousy, it scares me/
so be prepared
cause only the strong survive, life is unfair/
probably never knew the way it feels to die/
so you figure, fuck with me, I give that ass a try/
Nigga, Holla at me -2Pac

 

[boom]

a nigga that RAN with Pac, Collabed with him, was on the same Label said BIG could've killed PAC and YET!

we have people on here makin a case for pac lol...



only on the IC

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

a nigga that RAN with Pac, Collabed with him, was on the same Label said BIG could've killed PAC and YET!

we have people on here makin a case for pac lol...


only on the IC

Only on the IC would Kats be gulible enough to Belive Snoop he should be renamed Scooby With his scared ass saying whatever he thinks will get him some attention and national love...

 

[redhandedbandit]

a nigga that RAN with Pac, Collabed with him, was on the same Label said BIG could've killed PAC and YET!

we have people on here makin a case for pac lol...


only on the IC

big would have destroyed pac...

 

[boom]

big would have destroyed pac...

i know ....

 

[boom]

Only on the IC would Kats be gulible enough to Belive Snoop he should be renamed Scooby With his scared ass saying whatever he thinks will get him some attention and national love...

rite .... again, ur rite...

 

[buttuh_b]

Big was cold but I don't think he had a lot of shit he could say about Pac. Who knows though. But honestly I think the Outlawz could smash Big back in those days. Hussein Fatal, Yak, and Noble.. them young Jersey boys was goin ham on him. Just because they weren't big name rappers doesn't mean them dudes couldn't flow they asses off.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

rite .... again, ur rite...

Snoop is a slick ass Nigga, Malice Flopped but he still stays talked about with shit like this. He has done his share of shitty disloyal shit to everyone over the years do not miss the Niggaz snake nature. Dre, Daz, Crooked, Kurupt, Goldie Loc, Etc. He eventually always gets back into business graces by playing the Politics of the game since 1st jumping to No Limit the 1st label to word for word try and imitate Pac in the shittiest of Ways. Him having a bit of jealousy and animosity shown every now and then is no surprise, considering the role he played in attempting to legitimze the various Mockeries of Pacs work over the years...

 

[Hip-Hop One]

Listening to Who Shot Ya? shows what B.I.G. could have done.