The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[buttuh_b]

LOL, the album was called "Makaveli" not "Makaveli and the Outlaws". LOL @ giving the Outlaws credit for Pac's sales, trust me, people wasn't buying Pac's albums dying to hear the Outlaws. So Lil Kim should get credit for being on "Life After Death" I guess too?. Again Big's Crew sold more units than Pac's crew. Lil Kim alone outsold Outlaws career. But this debate is neither here or there, the bottom line you or someone said Big didn't want it with the Outlaws. So again one of the greatest emcees EVER didnt' want it with the Outlaws?, I'm still LOL at that.

I said it and he didn't. If he wanted it he would have said their names instead of all that corny subliminal shit. Man up. And Kim was on 1 track on LAD while The Outlawz were on 75% of the tracks on the 7 Day Theory. And Biggie was on both the Junior Mafia singles you were naming so the singles the Outlawz were on of Pac's should be counted too. Bottom line the Outlawz made way more money than Lil Cease broke ass.. Lil Kim sucked hella dick and walked around award shows with her titties out to sell some records... and Biggie lost the battle. The end.

 

[rapmastermind]

I said it and he didn't. If he wanted it he would have said their names instead of all that corny subliminal shit. Man up. And Kim was on 1 track on LAD while The Outlawz were on 75% of the tracks on the 7 Day Theory. And Biggie was on both the Junior Mafia singles you were naming so the singles the Outlawz were on of Pac's should be counted too. Bottom line the Outlawz made way more money than Lil Cease broke ass.. Lil Kim sucked hella dick and walked around award shows with her titties out to sell some records... and Biggie lost the battle. The end.

Wrong, Big WON, here we are 13 years later and he's a Legend. How great is a diss when the artist being dissed becomes a Legend?. LOL. Everyone knows "Hit em up" is a classic diss and song but Pac spent all that time and energy dissing Biggie for what? Just like Snoop said, it was pointless and it was. Biggie Legendary status is unquestioned. Also Pac and Biggie were not in a "Rap Battle" because Biggie never officially reponded due to Pac's untimely Death. It was one rapper who couldn't keep the other rapper's name out his mouth, that's all it was, far from a rap battle. Look I'm not saying Cease was a great rapper, and of course Big wrote most of their stuff but Lil Kim and Jay Z has had more impact on Hip Hop than any member of the Outlaws so Big's disciples have had more impact on the game than Pac's. FACT!.

 

[buttuh_b]

Wrong, Big WON, here we are 13 years later and he's a Legend. How great is a diss when the artist being dissed becomes a Legend?. LOL. Pac spent all that time and energy dissing Biggie for what? Just like Snoop said, it was pointless and it was. Biggie Legendary status is unquestioned. Also Pac and Biggie were not in a "Rap Battle" because Biggie never officially reponded due to Pac's untimely Death. It was one rapper who couldn't keep the other rapper's name out his mouth, that's all it was, far from a rap battle. Look I'm not saying Cease was a great rapper, and of course Big wrote most of their stuff but Lil Kim and Jay Z has had more impact on Hip Hop than any member of the Outlaws so Big's disciples have had more impact on the game than Pac's. FACT!.

Fuck outta here with that Jay-Z shit. Sure Jigga couldn't keep Big's dick out of his mouth after he died but I'm not going for Jay being a Big disciple. First of all he was older than him.. lol.. he had all his own shit.. Reasonable Doubt dropped in 96 before Big died and they were FRIENDS and COLLEAGUES who appeared on each other's album. And it may have been pointless for Snoop... but he can't speak for Pac.. MAYBE it was all for publicity. Maybe Big really did have something to do with the NY shooting of Pac. Either way Pac mashed on him. Pac's legend status is shitting on Big's. His music touched way more people. He sold more records when they were both alive. Both of their deaths really increased their popularity and legacy but Pac is a world wide icon while Big is more just American. And either way... it doesn't mean Big didn't lose! Jay has 400 million dollars but he still lost the battle with Nas. Big made the choice not to retaliate to Pac because he was scared. All I'm saying is The Outlawz could have handled Big themselves honestly if it came down to it. Does that mean they would destroy his career?? No... But they would beat him in a battle on wax.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

STFU Big was never a super lyricist. Thats Nas and Pun and GZA and them... Big was never on their level. He just had more commercial appeal and dope word play. And I'm not saying he's not dope. Big is in my top 20 easily.. but quit over exaggerating his shit. Obviously you don't know what you're talking about or you're a Big stan. If he could have done it.. why didn't he??? Cuz he was SHOOK. And I doubt you even paid attention to them Outlawz.. them boys was and still are cold as fuck. You know damn well they went off on him on Hit Em Up.. have you even heard the Makaveli album? Hail Mary, Made Niggaz, all that shit.. The Still I Rise album? Come on dun... they were too gutter and hungry for weak ass Junior Mafia. The Lawz were like 16, 17, 18 fresh out the hood in New Jersey spazzin on tracks... So they were seeing him with or with out Pac. Big didn't want it.

And like you've seen in hella videos Snoop been contradicting himself for the last 14 years... who knows what type of animosity or jealousy he had toward Pac..

Your right homie is a Biggie Stan you going to sit and argue circles of truth around him and no ground will be made the delusion is completely set in. But your in the Town Huh what Part of the County are you in I am up over by Shoreline currently.

 

[buttuh_b]

Your right homie is a Biggie Stan you going to sit and argue circles of truth around him and no ground will be made the delusion is completely set in. But your in the Town Huh what Part of the County are you in I am up over by Shoreline currently.

I go to school out here at UW so I'm in the U District... but I used to stay in Tacoma. My patna goes to Shoreline College.

 

[tompetrez3]

damn...pac dissed big, his wife, his mistress, his crew, his boss, his state all in one verse. smh

 

[kingblaze84]

I love Biggie and Pac, both are in my top 3.....but here is the cold hard truth.....

Biggie was SCARED of 2pac when he was beefing with him.....why didn't he ever respond to Hit Em Up???? 2pac went crazy hard on that track and all Biggie could do is drop subliminals??? Come on man, 2pac was talking about fucking Faith and Biggie didn't want to respond directly to that? Biggie is a legend, no doubt, and will ALWAYS be known as one of the greatest of all time, but he didnt want it with Pac. Pac came to NY all the time and talked shit about Biggie IN NY. Biggie knew the kind of talent 2pac had, and that's why he was VERY careful about what he said about him. Biggie had many chances to diss Pac, but he waited until he died to diss him.....COWARD SHIT. And I love Biggie....but the simple fact that Biggie never responded to 2pac is very telling to me.

If Biggie wouldve battled Pac directly, I'm sure it would be a close battle, obviously. But NO ONE IN RAP HISTORY COULD BEEF LIKE PAC!!!! In the end, I think 2pac would have crushed Biggie in a battle. Biggie never responded to Hit Em Up.....Bigge was scared, and he cried hearing that track, Lil Kim said it herself. As I said before, I love Biggie.....no hate from me at all. But 2pac is the GOAT for a reason.

 

[kingblaze84]

damn...pac dissed big, his wife, his mistress, his crew, his boss, his state all in one verse. smh

And Biggie never responded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2pac would have MURDERED Biggie AGAIN on a track.....Hit Em Up Part 2 would have been a nuclear explosion which Biggie could have recovered from, but even Biggie knew he couldn't take on Pac.....Biggie waited for 2pac to die to finally make a diss song.....SMMFH.....I love Biggie though.

 

[king of nyc]

I love Biggie and Pac, both are in my top 3.....but here is the cold hard truth.....

Biggie was SCARED of 2pac when he was beefing with him.....why didn't he ever respond to Hit Em Up???? 2pac went crazy hard on that track and all Biggie could do is drop subliminals??? Come on man, 2pac was talking about fucking Faith and Biggie didn't want to respond directly to that? Biggie is a legend, no doubt, and will ALWAYS be known as one of the greatest of all time, but he didnt want it with Pac. Pac came to NY all the time and talked shit about Biggie IN NY. Biggie knew the kind of talent 2pac had, and that's why he was VERY careful about what he said about him. Biggie had many chances to diss Pac, but he waited until he died to diss him.....COWARD SHIT. And I love Biggie....but the simple fact that Biggie never responded to 2pac is very telling to me.

If Biggie wouldve battled Pac directly, I'm sure it would be a close battle, obviously. But NO ONE IN RAP HISTORY COULD BEEF LIKE PAC!!!! In the end, I think 2pac would have crushed Biggie in a battle. Biggie never responded to Hit Em Up.....Bigge was scared, and he cried hearing that track, Lil Kim said it herself. As I said before, I love Biggie.....no hate from me at all. But 2pac is the GOAT for a reason.

lol r u retarded lol

seriously

 

[kingblaze84]

lol r u retarded lol

seriously

Prove me wrong on anything I said.....you must be retarded if you can't comprehend what I said.

 

[SoulRattler of Venom]

I hate to admit it, and I'm probably going to go to hell for it, but I agree with Punisher. Snoop can have his opinion till the cows come home, but to say Biggie would've RIPPED Pac is an overstatement. And Junior Mafia was wack as shit compared to Outlawz.

 

[buttuh_b]

I hate to admit it, and I'm probably going to go to hell for it, but I agree with Punisher. Snoop can have his opinion till the cows come home, but to say Biggie would've RIPPED Pac is an overstatement. And Junior Mafia was wack as shit compared to Outlawz.

^^^this^^^^^^^

 

[Punisher__]

I hate to admit it, and I'm probably going to go to hell for it, but I agree with Punisher. Snoop can have his opinion till the cows come home, but to say Biggie would've RIPPED Pac is an overstatement. And Junior Mafia was wack as shit compared to Outlawz.

LoL......................

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

I go to school out here at UW so I'm in the U District... but I used to stay in Tacoma. My patna goes to Shoreline College.

Great to see another Puget Sound Representative, I hope you indulge in the Local HipHop also a lot of Raw Folks out here...

I just wanted to add for the record that threadstarter should be renamed rapmasturbator when it comes to biggie...

 

[rapmastermind]

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Biggie, Tupac, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Warren G and Dogg Pound Live On Stage (3:48, Pac and Big side by side)

 

[king of nyc]

Prove me wrong on anything I said.....you must be retarded if you can't comprehend what I said.

u young niggaz dont understand what reallly happen in dat era. yall niggaz just go by personal preferences NOT FACTS

FOR DA MILLIONTH TIME........ *da same niggaz like urself say biggie was scared to battle pac in 1 breathe then in da other say biggie set pac up in quad studio*

*im not saying biggie set pac up** BUT WHY WOULD A NIGGA BE SCARED TO BATTLE A MEDICORE RAPPER WHEN HE JUST GOT SOME OF HIS GOONS TO SHOOT HIM UP/TAKE HIS CASH/AND 40k GOLD CHAIN

but to yall, he scared of a mc battle -it just shows how delusional pac fans are

 

[gee757]

u young niggaz dont understand what reallly happen in dat era. yall niggaz just go by personal preferences NOT FACTS

FOR DA MILLIONTH TIME........ *da same niggaz like urself say biggie was scared to battle pac in 1 breathe then in da other say biggie set pac up in quad studio*

*im not saying biggie set pac up** BUT WHY WOULD A NIGGA BE SCARED TO BATTLE A MEDICORE RAPPER WHEN HE JUST GOT SOME OF HIS GOONS TO SHOOT HIM UP/TAKE HIS CASH/AND 40k GOLD CHAIN

but to yall, he scared of a mc battle -it just shows how delusional pac fans are

^^^ u r da 1 that dont understand da time of that era cuz 2pac was doin trakz wit katz like BIG DADDY KANE dissin biggie big did not have westcoasst vetz on his side ready 2 ride on 2pac like pac had NY VETZ on his side like greg nyce , bcc , melle mel & da 1nation list goes on,,...& u must forgot that biggie was sleeepin on TUPACZ COUCH biggie was a good rapper but he was no MEGA STAR like 2pac so u need 2 stop it....therr was not 1 westcoast born kat on HIT EM UP every 1 that was droppin bombz on biggie on hit em up was from da EASTCOAST thatz y they was rockin TIMBZ n da video...snoop is a lyin snitch cuz if he really believez big couldve got @ pac lyrically y aint he say that shit back when 2pac was alive?? lol

 

[youngnick]

at breathing hard on tracks.

 

[meekins]

smh.... after reading avarians thread.. thats disrespectful and jay should be delt with accordingly

 

[Focal Point]

Pac shits on Jay when it comes to passion and subject matter, however technical skill wise Jay is light years ahead of Pac... as far as compared to Big... I think Jay was a bit more diverse in his subject matter, and you can go either way in regards to who had better technical skill although I think Jay takes that overall