The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[rusty shackleford]

That's the best you got faggot? If you act like a bitch don't cry when niggas call your sissy ass out on it. U Mad?

U Mad??? did you just come up with that on your own? wow... witty..

your math doesn't add up here... you say i'm the faggot but you're clearly the cock jocky swan diving into my lap with your mouth watering.. what's that make you? riiiight. [smh @ this crackfaced geto rat thinkin' being able to spell is gay.. drink bleach, pussy..]

now.. fuck outta here.. go choke on chitlins before i call animal control on yo bitchass & collect that reward for reporting a cock smuggling porch monkey..

 

[boom]

Snoop is a slick ass Nigga, Malice Flopped but he still stays talked about with shit like this. He has done his share of shitty disloyal shit to everyone over the years do not miss the Niggaz snake nature. Dre, Daz, Crooked, Kurupt, Goldie Loc, Etc. He eventually always gets back into business graces by playing the Politics of the game since 1st jumping to No Limit the 1st label to word for word try and imitate Pac in the shittiest of Ways. Him having a bit of jealousy and animosity shown every now and then is no surprise, considering the role he played in attempting to legitimze the various Mockeries of Pacs work over the years...

this post is full of "what i believe" and nothing factual .... if you have something personal against Snoop.. sorry

 

[rapmastermind]

Big was cold but I don't think he had a lot of shit he could say about Pac. Who knows though. But honestly I think the Outlawz could smash Big back in those days. Hussein Fatal, Yak, and Noble.. them young Jersey boys was goin ham on him. Just because they weren't big name rappers doesn't mean them dudes couldn't flow they asses off.

LOL, The Outlaws were average at best. They brought down a lot of Pac tracks with their average flow and lyricism. They were not seeing Big which is the biggest joke of "Hit Em Up" was Pac saying "I'm going to let my homies get you instead". LOL. Big would of killed them dudes with 1 verse. Again Big CHOOSE not to diss Pac and the Outlaws. It wasn't a matter that he wasn't capable of destorying them. Look, Snoop was there, Snoop was Pac's homeboy. Snoop was on Death Row the label that was against Biggie. Yet here he is saying what many hip hop fans already know. Pac died 3 months after he dropped "Hit Em Up", Biggie never officially responded. But if Biggie wanted to, he could of got at Pac on some super lyrical ish. Bottom line, Outlaws damn sure was not seeing Big in any shape or form.

 

[rapmastermind]

Snoop is a slick ass Nigga, Malice Flopped but he still stays talked about with shit like this. He has done his share of shitty disloyal shit to everyone over the years do not miss the Niggaz snake nature. Dre, Daz, Crooked, Kurupt, Goldie Loc, Etc. He eventually always gets back into business graces by playing the Politics of the game since 1st jumping to No Limit the 1st label to word for word try and imitate Pac in the shittiest of Ways. Him having a bit of jealousy and animosity shown every now and then is no surprise, considering the role he played in attempting to legitimze the various Mockeries of Pacs work over the years...

"Malice in wonderland" flopped? That album went Gold, it was Snoop's 10th LP. How is going Gold on your 10th LP a Flop? Every Snoop album has gone Gold or Platinum. Yes it was his lowest selling but again it's his 10th LP, he's so deep into his Legendary career, talking about his sales at this point is pointless. Again you are just salty Snoop praised Biggie and you can't understand why anyone would praise Biggie. LOL, stay on the outside looking in cause you just don't get it.

 

[redhandedbandit]

pac had more emotion then big but lets just say who shot ya was a battle track that already is way hotter than hit em up . all pac had over big was that he fucked faith supposedly...and even if pac fucked faith biggie has two seeds to carry on his bloodline pacs bloodline stopped in 96

 

[ItzGravitation]

Lyrics.....

Biggie

Beef......

Pac

 

[Smo-King Locs]

"malice in wonderland" flopped? That album went gold, it was snoop's 10th lp. How is going gold on your 10th lp a flop? Every snoop album has gone gold or platinum. Yes it was his lowest selling but again it's his 10th lp, he's so deep into his legendary career, talking about his sales at this point is pointless. Again you are just salty snoop praised biggie and you can't understand why anyone would praise biggie. Lol, stay on the outside looking in cause you just don't get it.

220,000 is not gold

450,000-949,ooo= gold

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

this post is full of "what i believe" and nothing factual .... if you have something personal against Snoop.. sorry

How is it full of what I believe? Nigga everyone mentioned at one point went on record with Issues against Snoop with the exception of Dre, shit most of them in interviews on this website. I know you are young but seriously that is no excuse for stupidity. But if your not into HipHop enough to the point where you pay attention then I guess the shit is understandable as your part of that generation fucking up the game. Again the Master P/No Limit's butchering of Pac songs is Public Knowledge nothing I just believe but pure facts. I have yet to meet one person who enjoyed what they Did with Pacs shit they jacked and tried to pass as their own that was not a No-Limit Soldier and most of them cannot even agree with that shit. So I am curious as to how pointing out Facts is having something Personal against Snoop. You Kittens need to open your eyes, pay attention and soak up Game. Living Life in the bliss of ignorance will only lead to destruction...

 

[redhandedbandit]

How is full of what I believe? Nigga everyone mentioned at one point went on record with Issues against Snoop with exception of Dre shit most of them in interviews on this website. I know you are young but seriously that is no excuse for stupidity. But if your not into HipHop enough to the point where you pay attention then I guess the shit is understandable as your part of that generaation fucking up the game. Again the Master P/No Limit's butchering of Pac songs is Public Knowledge nothing I just believe but pure facts. I have yet to meet one person who enjoyed what they Did with Pacs shit they jacked and tried to pass as their own that was not a No-Limit Soldier and most of them cannot even agree with that shit. So I am curious as to how pointing out Facts is having something Personal against Snoop. You Kittens need to open your eyes, pay attention and soak up Game. Living Life in the bliss of ignorance will only lead to destruction...

so you think pac would beat biggie in a battle gtfoh in all Aspects beside social commentary biggie>pac

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

so you think pac would beat biggie in a battle gtfoh in all Aspects beside social commentary biggie>pac

I do not Think Pac Would have won I know he did win. You Kats are being intellectuallly dishonest Biggie took small shots at Pac Subliminally and Pac Verbally annihilated that Nigga at every opportunityto the point where squares that do not even really listen to hiphop Know that and Songs Like hit em Up. You kats with your would have/could have shit are still living in that fantasy world ignoring what actually happened. Biggie got sonned to the point of fearing to going at him full force not knowing what Pac would say next. To say anything but Pac won the battle between him and Biggie is just blatant revisionist lies chanted to make the delusional feel better that Biggie Lost...

 

[redhandedbandit]

I do not Think Pac Would have won I know he did win. You Kats are being intellectuallly dishonest Biggie took small shots at Pac Subliminally and Pac Verbally annihilated that Nigga at every opportunityto the point where squares that do not even really listen to hiphop Know that and Songs Like hit em Up. You kats with your would have/could have shit are still living in that fantasy world ignoring what actually happened. Biggie got sonned to the point of fearing to going at him full force not knowing what Pac would say next. To say anything but Pac won the battle between him and Biggie is just blatant revisionist lies chanted to make the delusional feel better that Biggie Lost...

so hit em up is better then who shot ya yea iight... only thing pac could say is i fucked your wife your fat wow u think biggie cared that pac fucked faith faith was already mad at big about c.baltimore and finding him smashing kim so it wasn't hard for anyone to get in them draws at that time if you know anything about women...not knowing what pac would say next dude u funny im well versed in hip hop biggie was a far better lyricist

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

so hit em up is better then who shot ya yea iight... only thing pac could say is i fucked your wife your fat wow u think biggie cared that pac fucked faith faith was already mad at big about c.baltimore and finding him smashing kim so it wasn't hard for anyone to get in them draws at that time if you know anything about women...not knowing what pac would say next dude u funny im well versed in hip hop biggie was a far better lyricist

Better Lyricist maybe but not a better battler and Hit Em up is more well known then Whot Shot ya or Long Kiss. I am from the 80's era of the Battle child Pac got Biggie, now be mad about it still will not change history...

 

[redhandedbandit]

and where did big exactly take shots at pac? tell me exact songs and verses no hearsay

 

[buttuh_b]

LOL, The Outlaws were average at best. They brought down a lot of Pac tracks with their average flow and lyricism. They were not seeing Big which is the biggest joke of "Hit Em Up" was Pac saying "I'm going to let my homies get you instead". LOL. Big would of killed them dudes with 1 verse. Again Big CHOOSE not to diss Pac and the Outlaws. It wasn't a matter that he wasn't capable of destorying them. Look, Snoop was there, Snoop was Pac's homeboy. Snoop was on Death Row the label that was against Biggie. Yet here he is saying what many hip hop fans already know. Pac died 3 months after he dropped "Hit Em Up", Biggie never officially responded. But if Biggie wanted to, he could of got at Pac on some super lyrical ish. Bottom line, Outlaws damn sure was not seeing Big in any shape or form.

STFU Big was never a super lyricist. Thats Nas and Pun and GZA and them... Big was never on their level. He just had more commercial appeal and dope word play. And I'm not saying he's not dope. Big is in my top 20 easily.. but quit over exaggerating his shit. Obviously you don't know what you're talking about or you're a Big stan. If he could have done it.. why didn't he??? Cuz he was SHOOK. And I doubt you even paid attention to them Outlawz.. them boys was and still are cold as fuck. You know damn well they went off on him on Hit Em Up.. have you even heard the Makaveli album? Hail Mary, Made Niggaz, all that shit.. The Still I Rise album? Come on dun... they were too gutter and hungry for weak ass Junior Mafia. The Lawz were like 16, 17, 18 fresh out the hood in New Jersey spazzin on tracks... So they were seeing him with or with out Pac. Big didn't want it.

And like you've seen in hella videos Snoop been contradicting himself for the last 14 years... who knows what type of animosity or jealousy he had toward Pac..

 

[rapmastermind]

STFU Big was never a super lyricist. Thats Nas and Pun and GZA and them... Big was never on their level. He just had more commercial appeal and dope word play. And I'm not saying he's not dope. Big is in my top 20 easily.. but quit over exaggerating his shit. Obviously you don't know what you're talking about or you're a Big stan. If he could have done it.. why didn't he??? Cuz he was SHOOK. And I doubt you even paid attention to them Outlawz.. them boys was and still are cold as fuck. You know damn well they went off on him on Hit Em Up.. have you even heard the Makaveli album? Hail Mary, Made Niggaz, all that shit.. The Still I Rise album? Come on dun... they were too gutter and hungry for weak ass Junior Mafia. The Lawz were like 16, 17, 18 fresh out the hood in New Jersey spazzin on tracks... So they were seeing him with or with out Pac. Big didn't want it.

And like you've seen in hella videos Snoop been contradicting himself for the last 14 years... who knows what type of animosity or jealousy he had toward Pac..

NaS couldn't even outshine Biggie while he was alive, and everyone knows Big won the subliminal lyrical battle with "Kick in the Door & Victory". Biggie is Pun's favorite rapper and his Biggest influence. And Gza is not better than Big. So try again. Speaking of "Stans", Only a Stan would say the Outlaws were seeing Biggie as an Emcee. LOL @ "Biggie wasn't super lyrical" yet the guy you mentioned as Better than Big sampled Biggie on a song called "Super Lyrical", LOL. Not to be mention he's been bitten by basically the entire rap community in the last decade. Just stop. Now the Outlaws were seeing Big cause Pac put them on "Hit em up"?, LOL. The reaching on the reason lacks reason of epic proportions. Oh and Junior Mafia/Lil Kim and Lil Cease sold more records than the Outlaws. LOL @ "Biggie didn't want it with the Outlaws". Yea one of the Greatest Emcees EVER didn't want it with Pac's sidekicks, Ok.

 

[tompetrez3]

STFU Big was never a super lyricist. Thats Nas and Pun and GZA and them... Big was never on their level. He just had more commercial appeal and dope word play. And I'm not saying he's not dope. Big is in my top 20 easily.. but quit over exaggerating his shit. Obviously you don't know what you're talking about or you're a Big stan. If he could have done it.. why didn't he??? Cuz he was SHOOK. And I doubt you even paid attention to them Outlawz.. them boys was and still are cold as fuck. You know damn well they went off on him on Hit Em Up.. have you even heard the Makaveli album? Hail Mary, Made Niggaz, all that shit.. The Still I Rise album? Come on dun... they were too gutter and hungry for weak ass Junior Mafia. The Lawz were like 16, 17, 18 fresh out the hood in New Jersey spazzin on tracks... So they were seeing him with or with out Pac. Big didn't want it.

And like you've seen in hella videos Snoop been contradicting himself for the last 14 years... who knows what type of animosity or jealousy he had toward Pac..

whooooooooo. co sign!! /thread closed. damn. finally someone is seeing between the lines in this beef

"i take money mash through brooklyn with my click shootin". how many jersey niggas have the heart to say that on wax nowadays? them jersey niggas basically said fuck new york. outlaws killed them niggas on hit em up. there is no debate about that. they called out names and sonned them fags. junior mafia didnt say a fucking thing back.

u biggie stans are still in heavy denial about how lethal hit em up was. that was our 90s version of ether. damn i wish someone could upload that vh1 driven episode where kim says big cried when he heard hit em up.

junior mafia went gold. still i rise sold 1.3 mil that was a outlaws album.

fuck snoop. snoop suffers from PTSD when it comes to talking about death row because he still wakes up in a cold sweat thinking about the suge beatings and piss drinking. this nigga changed the story like 3-4 damn times about this altercation. snoop is salty because he is on hit em up pt2.

 

[buttuh_b]

NaS couldn't even outshine Biggie while he was alive. Biggie is Pun's favorite rapper and his Biggest influence. And Gza is not better than Big. So try again. Only a Stan would say the Outlaws were seeing Biggie as an Emcee. LOL @ "Biggie wasn't super lyrical". yet he's been bitten by the entire rap community. Just stop. Now the Outlaws were seeing Big cause Pac put them on "Hit em up"?, LOL. The reaching on the IC is of epic proportions. Oh and Junior Mafia/Lil Kim and Lil Cease sold more records than the Outlaws. LOL @ "Biggie didn't want it with the Outlaws". Yea one of the Greatest Emcees EVER didn't want it with Pac's sidekicks, Ok.

Little Cease is like the corniest rapper of all time. I admit Big was dope and Kim was nice in the 90's... Hard Core is damn near a classic album.. but other than that JM was trash. The Outlawz had heart. Yaki Kadafi, Napolean, EDI, Kastro, Hussein Fatal, Young Noble... Who am I a stan of? I'll give you my top 5 right now. Nas, Kool G Rap, Rakim, Outkast, & Scarface... So who am I stanning?? Biggie was definitely a more complete artist than any of the Outlawz besides Pac.. theres no denying that. But on the battle beef tip.. Big didn't want it!!!! Thats cool that Big was an influence for Pun but as an emcee you know in your heart that Pun is better. GZA, I know you seriously aren't implying Big is seeing him lyrically. Big may have shined more than NaS on the commercial level but in the hood NaS was the shit back in the 90s... and like someone said earlier Biggie said it himself Esco deserved that 95 lyricist of the year at the Source Awards.. Ready to Die is a classic and LAD was good but that shit aint touching Illmatic and NaS is the true pure mc's mc. Big isn't close to him. And theres others that are better than Big like Black Thought, Redman, Common, Lupe, etc..

And how do you figure they sold more than The Outlawz?? The Lawz have been featured on over 60 million records sold.

 

[rapmastermind]

Junior Mafia album sold 2 Million worldwide and went Platinum U.S.. "Get Money" went Platinum as a single and "Playa's Anthem" went Gold as a single. Not to mention Lil Kim as a solo artist has sold close to 10 Million Worldwide. Lil Cease Debut went Gold there for if you combine all the Junior Mafia affilated projects we are talking over 15 Million with singles included. "Still I Raise", 1.3 Million ain't seeing that. Therefor as I said, JM sold more than Outlaws. I didn't say Outlaws were wack, I said they were averge emcees and they were. None of them were seeing Big period and nobody in their right mind would even compare the two.

 

[buttuh_b]

Junior Mafia album sold 2 Million worldwide and went Platinum U.S.. "Get Money" went Platinum as a single and "Playa's Anthem" went Gold as a single. Not to mention Lil Kim as a solo artist has sold close to 10 Million Worldwide. Lil Cease Debut went Gold there for if you combine all the Junior Mafia affilated projects we are talking over 15 Million with singles included. "Still I Raise", 1.3 Million ain't seeing that. Therefor as I said, JM sold more than Outlaws. I didn't say Outlaws were wack, I said they were averge emcees and they were. None of them were seeing Big period and nobody in their right mind would even compare the two.

You're hella goofy right now for trying to add all these singles sales into it and shit but what about the Makaveli album that sold like 5 mill, which the Outlawz were on like every track? The Hail Mary single.. To Live and Die in LA, All About U, etc... plus the Lawz had like 3 or 4 albums after Still I rise that did decent numbers in like 2000, 2001... and again featured all over releases like Better Dayz, Until The End of Time, Loyal to the Game, hella soundtracks... even on the Me Against World single... come on dude. Fuck outta here.

 

[rapmastermind]

You're hella goofy right now for trying to add all these singles sales into it and shit but what about the Makaveli album that sold like 5 mill, which the Outlawz were on like every track? The Hail Mary single.. To Live and Die in LA, All About U, etc... plus the Lawz had like 3 or 4 albums after Still I rise that did decent numbers in like 2000, 2001... and again featured all over releases like Better Dayz, Until The End of Time, Loyal to the Game, hella soundtracks... even on the Me Against World single... come on dude. Fuck outta here.

LOL, the album was called "Makaveli" not "Makaveli and the Outlaws". LOL @ giving the Outlaws credit for Pac's sales, trust me, people wasn't buying Pac's albums dying to hear the Outlaws. So Lil Kim should get credit for being on "Life After Death" I guess too?. Again Big's Crew sold more units than Pac's crew. Lil Kim alone outsold Outlaws career. But this debate is neither here or there, the bottom line you or someone said Big didn't want it with the Outlaws. So again one of the greatest emcees EVER didnt' want it with the Outlaws?, I'm still LOL at that.