The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[young_reezy]

SPIN!! HA ha dog thats all logic and fact right there.....

the fact is biggie didn't respond, he threw rocks and hid his hands, pac spit right in the nigga face.

 

[_Menace_]

should of could of would of. biggie had a whole summer to reply to hit em up instead he chose a high rise motel in florida to hide in. the fire that Pac had inside of him wouldnt have been put out by no so called lyrical rapper. yall know im the biggest prodigy stan in the globe but even drop a gem on em wasnt shit compared to hit em up.

you think Jay can see Pac?

 

[ghost!]

the fact is biggie didn't respond, he threw rocks and hid his hands, pac spit right in the nigga face.

You have a young mind...a smart person doesnt go off just to go off, they get the facts str8 first then go at it..that's why dumb ppl get caught up and shot!

and u feeding into the b.s. that got both rappers shot..look at you "he just threw rocks and hid his hands "

yeah that's why niggas get caught up in b.s.

thats real talk.

 

[young_reezy]

You have a young mind...a smart person doesnt go off just to go off, they get the facts str8 first then go at it..that's why dumb ppl get caught up and shot!

and u feeding into the b.s. that got both rappers shot..look at you "he just threw rocks and hid his hands "

yeah that's why niggas get caught up in b.s.

thats real talk.

i was talkin about after all the dust settled, all we were left with was the music... in those terms biggie responded/didn't respond in his own way...

so all we have to go by is the music.. i didn't root for either of them to die, i knew with everything that was said tho it was a chance that someone would die..

i wanted them both to squash the shit and make good music together...

so you judging my mentality behind this topic we disagree on is great.... good job.

 

[waterproof]

[video=youtube;s0MdNFSLlvs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0MdNFSLlvs[/video]

even when they both had time to lay down a verse, Biggie still outshined Pac

Nigga u a lie Yaki Fula had the illest verse

 

[ghost!]

i was talkin about after all the dust settled, all we were left with was the music... in those terms biggie responded/didn't respond in his own way...

so all we have to go by is the music.. i didn't root for either of them to die, i knew with everything that was said tho it was a chance that someone would die..

i wanted them both to squash the shit and make good music together...

so you judging my mentality behind this topic we disagree on is great.... good job.

and again i ask...how does that mean he shut him up? Because you wanted him to react back or put pac's name in the song like pac did to big...AND I ASK for what? at the end of th eday we lost two ppl off of b.s. and not doing nothing DOESNT MEAN somone shut u up..WHICH WAS WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING...NO PROOF..JUST UR OPINION..

 

[young_reezy]

and again i ask...how does that mean he shut him up? Because you wanted him to react back or put pac's name in the song like pac did to big...AND I ASK for what? at the end of th eday we lost two ppl off of b.s. and not doing nothing DOESNT MEAN somone shut u up..WHICH WAS WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING...NO PROOF..JUST UR OPINION..

you know what.... you r exactly right....

biggie responded in his own way and it is what it is...

some people feel like biggie handled his biz... some feel like he got smashed... either way we lost two great artists i just happen to like the way pac put it down musically across the board.... i still appreciate big's talent so it's all good.

 

[young_reezy]

you sir sound like a rational person

i try man... thanx tho 2.

 

[ghost!]

you know what.... you r exactly right....

biggie responded in his own way and it is what it is...

some people feel like biggie handled his biz... some feel like he got smashed... either way we lost two great artists i just happen to like the way pac put it down musically across the board.... i still appreciate big's talent so it's all good.

Its all good homie..i respect everything you just post

and i'm with you on your last sentence..no diss to Pac, i think he was the better artist hands down, i just musically like listening to rappers who spit fire more...but i still rock and respect everything pac was and did.

 

[DanknDrank]

first off did Big talk ill of the died? IF he didnt, then what's the issue? Pac had misdirected angrier..a smart person lets a fool be a fool. Again i ask you what would of been the point of big acting the same way as pac did on wax?? It's already documented that Big was confused by pac's actions because he had nothing to do with pac's shooting? And faith never f'd pac...soo at the end of the day all of it was just words? What you want big to do..act just like pac for what...that whole beef thing achieved what it did..even without big mentioning his name...so again what was the point?

and 2nd....you got that luda thing from wiki which it proves me more right then you, because you claimed he said the song was about him..in which on wiki he states the song was a SUMBLINIAL shot at the rappers who were talking shots at him..which was going off my orig. premise that LUDA/rappers have done sumbinial joints and you can tell who they are talking about...yeah i did mention t.i., but i never said luda said it....

if you know he was talking about pac in the subliminals then why would you even ask that question
pac had misdirected anger yet he hanging with same person who got him shot and knew about it before hand but did nothing to help him after all the shit he did for him(we won't even go into detail on that) so thats misdirected anger?!....if he can throw shots in interviews & magazines why not take it on wax, see now you backtracking, this is hiphop, that battling shit has been apart of it since the beginning...he wasn't confuse he just didn't care, how do know pac didn't fuck faith, do you have any proof of such, better yet how do know faith is telling the truth, what business she had at his hotel room at midnight?, or sneaking him into her limo? or in the studio sitting on his lap?....why would it be hard to believe that a fat lonely faith evans would cheat on a obese biggie smalls after she found him cheating, you say it was all words but those same words hurt biggie inside to the point where he wanted to throttle the mother of his childern(or 2pac's let him tell it)

no i got that luda thing from bet.com, he also said the same thing on rap city when questioned about it....note that at the time the song came out and at the pre mtv awards t.i. was a special guest in his performance, proof he wasn't talking bout him right there, like i said before his word is worth more than yours, if he lied its bitch shit which surrounds my whole point....subliminals aren't respected or paid anymind in hiphop

 

[young_reezy]

Its all good homie..i respect everything you just post

and i'm with you on your last sentence..no diss to Pac, i think he was the better artist hands down, i just musically like listening to rappers who spit fire more...but i still rock and respect everything pac was and did.

good to see we can disagree on here without going to the dick riding faggot route you usually see on here.

 

[ghost!]

ooh boy..let me take this b.s. piece by piece...

if you know he was talking about pac in the subliminals then why would you even ask that question

pac had misdirected anger yet he hanging with same person who got him shot and knew about it before hand but did nothing to help him after all the shit he did for him(we won't even go into detail on that) so thats misdirected anger?!....if he can throw shots in interviews & magazines why not take it on wax,

FIrst off and i'm about to think your gimmick too...Big at no time after he found out Pac died had ever said anything bad of him...plz provide a link that big started talking wreckles after pac died, and last i checked "who shot ya" and "life after death" were both writing and recorded before pac died...so there you go...Big had not talked wreckless about the dead...now on to the misdirected angrier..it was misdirected because BIG had nothing to do with pac getting shot and there is no fact that he knew who shot PAC..there's no sold proof just allegations....so u can not say Big knew pac got shot....and u can use that guilty by association b.s. if u want, but just cuz puff could be shady doesnt mean big was shady too....i dont remember the dude in jail ever saying big knew what was going down...but maybe i need to read that again...

and again NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SPELLED OUT...if you know who he was talking about on wax then there you go, everyone else knew, nobody cares if you think it was a bitch move because out side of this forum..ur opinon doesnt mean anything..big status still remains....thankx..

see now you backtracking, this is hiphop, that battling shit has been apart of it since the beginning...he wasn't confuse he just didn't care, how do know pac didn't fuck faith, do you have any proof of such, better yet how do know faith is telling the truth, what business she had at his hotel room at midnight?, or sneaking him into her limo? or in the studio sitting on his lap?....why would it be hard to believe that a fat lonely faith evans would cheat on a obese biggie smalls after she found him cheating, you say it was all words but those same words hurt biggie inside to the point where he wanted to throttle the mother of his childern(or 2pac's let him tell it)

DO U KNOW if tupac f faith, do you have any proof? No you dont, so dont pose a question to me in which you have no prove of it either..i think it was you that said u believe what another man saids..so u can go on and be the gulliable one, u have no solid proof, but because there's pics of her sitting on his lap..then it has to be true right? cuz nothing could be taken out of context...(sarcasm) ha ha wow!!

and i can't really takeu serious calling big names...ok...yeah we know where u sided wit....(yawn at this dude)

no i got that luda thing from bet.com, he also said the same thing on rap city when questioned about it....note that at the time the song came out and at the pre mtv awards t.i. was a special guest in his performance, proof he wasn't talking bout him right there, like i said before his word is worth more than yours, if he lied its bitch shit which surrounds my whole point....subliminals aren't respected or paid anymind in hiphop

which is basically the same ish on wiki, which ONCE AGAIN YOU SAID HE MADE THE SONG ABOUT HISSELF, which luda said it wasnt about hisself it was directed at the rappers taken shots at him...MAKING YOU WRONG.

and u do realize theres's a time lapse to when a rapper records a song and when we the public gets to hear it???? i hope you do realize that..and during that time they had a on wax beef, but it was deaded shortly after...and again..nobody cares if u dont like subliminals..

cuz they are all over th eplace..and war of the gods was a subliminals..i can bring in the wiki and the quote in which luda said so...so i guess u cant respect luda or the song cuz it was a sublimial

FOH...i'm done with you now

 

[Logic Last]

If Who Shot Ya is a preview of Pac diss then Biggie woulda got up in Pac's ass . . .but Hit Em Up is like Takeover, you can comeback, but the odds are against you.

I would have loved a three round lyrical war with these two greats.

 

[DanknDrank]

ooh boy..let me take this b.s. piece by piece...

FIrst off and i'm about to think your gimmick too...Big at no time after he found out Pac died had ever said anything bad of him...plz provide a link that big started talking wreckles after pac died, and last i checked "who shot ya" and "life after death" were both writing and recorded before pac died...so there you go...Big had not talked wreckless about the dead...now on to the misdirected angrier..it was misdirected because BIG had nothing to do with pac getting shot and there is no fact that he knew who shot PAC..there's no sold proof just allegations....so u can not say Big knew pac got shot....and u can use that guilty by association b.s. if u want, but just cuz puff could be shady doesnt mean big was shady too....i dont remember the dude in jail ever saying big knew what was going down...but maybe i need to read that again...

and again NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SPELLED OUT...if you know who he was talking about on wax then there you go, everyone else knew, nobody cares if you think it was a bitch move because out side of this forum..ur opinon doesnt mean anything..big status still remains....thankx..

DO U KNOW if tupac f faith, do you have any proof? No you dont, so dont pose a question to me in which you have no prove of it either..i think it was you that said u believe what another man saids..so u can go on and be the gulliable one, u have no solid proof, but because there's pics of her sitting on his lap..then it has to be true right? cuz nothing could be taken out of context...(sarcasm) ha ha wow!!

and i can't really takeu serious calling big names...ok...yeah we know where u sided wit....(yawn at this dude)

which is basically the same ish on wiki, which ONCE AGAIN YOU SAID HE MADE THE SONG ABOUT HISSELF, which luda said it wasnt about hisself it was directed at the rappers taken shots at him...MAKING YOU WRONG.

and u do realize theres's a time lapse to when a rapper records a song and when we the public gets to hear it???? i hope you do realize that..and during that time they had a on wax beef, but it was deaded shortly after...and again..nobody cares if u dont like subliminals..

cuz they are all over th eplace..and war of the gods was a subliminals..i can bring in the wiki and the quote in which luda said so...so i guess u cant respect luda or the song cuz it was a sublimial

FOH...i'm done with you now

once again if the you say the subliminals are about him then how can you say he wasn't speaking bad about after he died, he left the subliminals in the album a week before the album came out and a week before he died so what does that tell you? only reason you found out it was about him is because cease said so, if he didn't know who shot him how could he know to warn him about hanging with them, how could he know that pac knew who shot him if he didn't know himself? idc about his status in hiphop, thats not what this is about, if my opinion doesn't matter then what makes your be any better? the same dude you talking bout is also big's friend, it aint hard to connect the dots in that incident unless you refuse to

not applying that i know if he did, but you also have no proof he didn't so we can kill that right there neither one of us will ever know

my point was it wouldn't be a surprise if he smashed cause of all the things i said in my post above

so that man is not obese??!! lmmfao it is what it is

dog i think you better read it again.....

"It's about me. That's what the record is about. The record is about me,” Luda told MTV.com.

not only did he say that on mtv but he said it on rap city a week later

of course i realize that, and i hope you realize that the pre mtv awrads was also pre recorded, do the math

so im gulible cause i'll believe the source before a unknown poster? whatever you say my dude

who so angry, why all the insults, ever heard of anger management?? smh

 

[Supreme_Mind999]

On a strictly lyrical battle rhyme tip?..Yes BIG would Eat Pac easily...Long kiss goodnight was brutal and he didn't even have to mention his name..thats how ill it was

 

[spit_fiya]

Fuck all the bullshit...Tupac > ........ now on to other news...peep some of these Tupac tracks

[video=youtube;PKNOtfqasis]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKNOtfqasis[/video]

[video=youtube;lqgUH8uVtcY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqgUH8uVtcY[/video]

[video=youtube;61qKf8MJon8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61qKf8MJon8[/video]

Maybe i'm trippin but i have yet to find a Big Freestyle...keyword...Freestyle...not reciting unreleased songs

 

[thesynthesis]

[video=youtube;PKNOtfqasis]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKNOtfqasis[/video]

crazy flow, never heard this song lol, lyrics are dope.....if pac flipped on a nigga like this on a song..whoa

BIG could never flow like this

 

[nkflier23]

lmfao I swear 2pactma Ghandhi fans are delusional

 

[ghost!]

once again if the you say the subliminals are about him then how can you say he wasn't speaking bad about after he died, he left the subliminals in the album a week before the album came out and a week before he died so what does that tell you? only reason you found out it was about him is because cease said so, if he didn't know who shot him how could he know to warn him about hanging with them, how could he know that pac knew who shot him if he didn't know himself? idc about his status in hiphop, thats not what this is about, if my opinion doesn't matter then what makes your be any better? the same dude you talking bout is also big's friend, it aint hard to connect the dots in that incident unless you refuse to

dog are you serious!!!???? Do you know anything about the music business? Ok biggie is suppose to tell the label who is shelling out the dough for his album that he is gonna pull back pre-record songs because the person he wrote them about is dead?? Dawg that makes no sense what so ever, and is no way speaking bad about the dead cuz it's called pre-recorded and YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR ISH OUT ON A CERTAIN DATE per your label and record contract....so again Big was not speaking Ill of the dead...and sorry i dont speak to cease for any reason. so nothing Cease says has me writing anything on this board.

and aagain u make no sense according to you "if he told him dont hang with haitian jack, how come he cant tell em who shot him" ???? ahh he told Pac not to chill with dude cuz he (haitian jack) is shady, and the result of that is Pac getting shot. See how that works, Pac didnt want to listen, so why should big (for instance) need to further look out for dude, pac was a grown man, and didnt need nobody to hold his hand and why couldnt biggie not know? Again he stop hanging with dude so it's not like dude who gonna tell big what he was gonna do now..does that make sense?

again u have no proof big having anything to do with Pacs shooting..and what was just link a week ago about puff, and haitian jack. Dude never said big was involved..i'll let you figure the rest out..

dog i think you better read it again.....

"It's about me. That's what the record is about. The record is about me,” Luda told MTV.com.

not only did he say that on mtv but he said it on rap city a week later

of course i realize that, and i hope you realize that the pre mtv awrads was also pre recorded, do the math

so im gulible cause i'll believe the source before a unknown poster? whatever you say my dude

who so angry, why all the insults, ever heard of anger management?? smh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_with_God

Later, in SOHH.com's Pre VMA Interview, Ludacris responded to an interview question, "Man we heard, 'War With God' and when we heard it, [they said that you said] it was about you". Ludacris replied, "Man, somebody misquoted me talking about...they misquoted me saying it was about me. What I was telling them was that I devote a lot of information about myself, and I think they're taking that in. I'm not battling myself on the record, that's ridiculous. What happens is you got a lot of people taking subliminal shots, but nobody ever says my name. I'm not for sure, so that record is like my way of taking subliminal shots right back. Don't get it misquoted, don't get it messed up. That's basically what it is man. It's like, you know, like I said I do devote a lot of information about myself on there. I started to wreck it up by saying I'm the best, and there's nothing you could do about it. [They say] I've never done this I've never done that, so you know when you look into it, it's a lot more records where it comes from on the album, September 26, Release Therapy, where it's the most personal album I've done. It's nothing but honesty so you can criticize it all you want to but at the end of the day you got to respect it cause I'm coming straight from the heart. [I'm] just telling the truth, [and] that's all you gotta know.

..................................

and i never said you need to believe me over ludacris, i stated he did a subliminal diss that was directed towards T.I.P, (most ppl seen it that way) and if you listen and understand the situation at that time you would get he was dissing T.I., luda did say he was directing it towards anyone...so t.i. could be in that statement as well...so i'm not wrong in a sense.

you were wrong because u said luda said the song was about hisself, when in reality the album was about him, the diss song was directed towards other rappers..thankx

and there's nothing i'm getting mad at.....katz just be posting on here talking out their ass about sh*t A LOT!!

 

[YamoleySensei]

Pras could've bodied Pac so imagine the verbal assault Big would've laid on him.....
anyone thinking Pac wouldn't have receive a severe tongue lashing from Big is clearly fooling themselves and don't know one iota about hip hop..