The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[MR.CJ]

answer this question.

why didn't big visit pac when he was locked up?

if big was cool with pac, he would have visited him.

am i right?

 

[RaHaLLdaY]

You forgot the links Puffy has with Jimmy Hench and BMF who were involved when he got shot in 95.....

Puffy did not like Pac and BIGs friendship. Firstly Pac declined to sign with Bad Boy, secondly he refused to work for free for Jimmy Hench artists, thus he was shot for not being a follower.

Having someone like Pac around BIG, helping him understand the game was undermining Puff, he did not want Pac around him in 95...Puff was cool with Pac when BIG was coming up, but once he felt he had used Pac's name to promote BIG, he put an axe between theyre friendship

Why do you think BIG never visted Pac in jail? why do you think BIG warned Pac about Hench, Pac asked him what do you mean he said "i will tell you later" and 2 days later pac got shot. Then BIG did not want to talk no more.

SO does that mean Puffy had Pac shot!? Puff was a small fish in the game back then. He didn't have no muscle. I don't care to speculate; its baseless.

I couldn't tellyou why BIG didn't go see PAC. I always thought maybe BIG should have made a more concerted effort to get face to face with Pac. Puff PROBABLY had something to do with BIG's separation from Pac at the time but I would be speculating. Not to say Puffy meant harm; I think he wanted to keep his "CASH COW" out of the fray. I believe til this day BIG made two bad choices. Not really confronted the issue no matter what with Pac and going to LA.

 

[thesynthesis]

if big was cool with pac, he would have visited him.

am i right?

because he knew pac would get the truth out of him or he was to scared to look pac in the eye and reveal who was part of the shooting

also puff would never allow him to visit, as he was one of jimmy hench and bmf bitches...BIG rather follow the crowd rather than end up like Pac.. disloyal bitch move? yes, but he lived to sell a few records an buy his momma a house

 

[DatNiggaB1]

if big was cool with pac, he would have visited him.

am i right?

At that time 2pac was accusing them man of having him shot, perhaps he felt it would be better to stay away.

 

[MR.CJ]

At that time 2pac was accusing them man of having him shot, perhaps he felt it would be better to stay away.

thats why big should have visited him.

 

[thesynthesis]

SO does that mean Puffy had Pac shot!? Puff was a small fish in the game back then. He didn't have no muscle. I don't care to speculate; its baseless.

I couldn't tellyou why BIG didn't go see PAC. I always thought maybe BIG should have made a more concerted effort to get face to face with Pac. Puff PROBABLY had something to do with BIG's separation from Pac at the time but I would be speculating. Not to say Puffy meant harm; I think he wanted to keep his "CASH COW" out of the fray. I believe til this day BIG made two bad choices. Not really confronted the issue no matter what with Pac and going to LA.

no Puff did not have Pac shot, but was on good terms with the dudes who had pac shot....

how you think puff felt when Pac turned down his offer to sign to Badboy? Puff asked Jimmy to talk to Pac about coming over to Badboy, they showered him with gifts and all that bullshit,

Big use to talk behind Puffs back, so that put Pac off from fuckn with Puff.

Also Puff is the one who took him over to LA, Puff made all the decisions, everyone in LA, all the radio hosts, record execs knew what was goin to happen, they could not understand why Puff had brought BIG over there so soon after pacs death,

Biggys only mistake was not goin to visit Pac in jail.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Tim Dog Started it , Puffy Pushed it Further and Pac and Suge just went at those that had pissed them off. The west retaliated we did not start shit...

 

[gee757]

I did not mean it in that manner Sir. As we all know, Pac sold everywhere in 1995-1996, including worldwide but he was still unable to use his East Coast contacts against Bad Boy-Henchman-Black Mafia on the ground or in the offices. He was far too important of a chess piece for Suge to pass at the time that he did.

pac said it best he did mo fa da eastcoast than da eastcoast did smh...

[video=youtube;JQexa5GFlw4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQexa5GFlw4[/video]

 

[thesynthesis]

At that time 2pac was accusing them man of having him shot, perhaps he felt it would be better to stay away.

Pac never accused him, he remained silent in jail, as time passed by he figured what was what, also niggas in jail were tellin him ur homeboy big was in on it...

pac never said BIG had him shot, never, all he said is BIG did not warn him like a brother suppose to.

 

[DatNiggaB1]

Tim Dog Started it , Puffy Pushed it Further and Pac and Suge just went at those that had pissed them off. The west retaliated we did not start shit...

Your biased, which is not your fault but this is true.

 

[5th Letter]

i dont recall flex saying pac was soley responsible for the east/west beef

 

[DatNiggaB1]

Pac never accused him, he remained silent in jail, as time passed by he figured what was what, also niggas in jail were tellin him ur homeboy big was in on it...

pac never said BIG had him shot, never, all he said is BIG did not warn him like a brother suppose to.

I'm sure I remember blatantly Pac saying it was Big and them that set him up.

Not that the movie Notorious is a good source but it c/s that as well

 

[DatNiggaB1]

i dont recall flex saying pac was soley responsible for the east/west beef

He didn't say that......sometimes you have to read between the lines. He was def insinuating that.

 

[Surveyor]

Again, as I see it Pac's beef with Biggie and the rest of Bad Boy had very little to do with Suge. I think Suge is crooked and as shady as label owners can get but I'm sure the most he did was instigate here and there. Let's not forget Pac is the one who called Suge up and said he wanted to join DeathRow.

 

[thesynthesis]

funny thing is during this so called eastcoast westcoast shit, Pac was collabin with Methodman and Redman, Big Daddy Kane, trying help sign Run Dmc to DR, Bootcamp Click, and a whole bunch of other eastcoast artists, even squashed a beef with Nas

he was just not fuckin with BADBOY and anyone who dissed him.

maybe another reason why Flex hates Methodman and hated on Nas...

 

[thesynthesis]

He didn't say that......sometimes you have to read between the lines. He was def insinuating that.

mos def by mentioning all those eastcoast artists

he forgets to mention how pac and nas squashed the beef

how pac was making songs with other eastcoast artists

the one nation project

DR east etc...

he purposely picked on the negative shit of the fiasco and missed out the finer details

 

[5th Letter]

He didn't say that......sometimes you have to read between the lines. He was def insinuating that.

nah thats what you want to believe

 

[RaHaLLdaY]

so Puff never used BIG as a pawn?

if you think Puff is some innocent dude then you been watching to many VH1 documentaries

Bad Boy was funded by BMF. That Nigga Puff hands are dirty as Suges. If you don't think Puff had nothing to do with Pac gettin shot in 95, then you are a moron.

Puff was not scared of Suge Knight, he played the victim role perfectly and even forced BIGGY not to reply back to Hit'em Up....dissing Pac all out would have been possible career suicide for Biggy, given Pac was the biggest rapper on the planet. Instead they got at Pac through subliminal shots, you only have to listen to Long Kiss Goodnight to understand how Puff works.

Puff dissing Pac on them low key mixtapes reveal the REAL PUFF DADDY, he was as ruthless as Suge.

SO...let me get this straight, Puffy had Pac shot in NY? Because Puffy was funded by BMF? Is Puffy innocent? C'mon man. THERE WAS VERY FEW PEOPLE INNOCENT IN THAT WHOLE SITUATION. You the moron; anybody that has half a brain knows that in business, you will get your hands dirty one way or another. I don't know what the hell that has to do with the price of rice in China but....whatever. The one thing about me is I don't like to go off of hearsay. Hearsay is the same as bullshit to me. You continue to feed it, and feed it and feed it, it magically becomes truth somehow.

I don't know where you were, but Puff was taking a beating! Big Too! in the street because they didn't INITIALLY have a credible response. That lil line BIG had on Reason Doubt was minuscule compared to the HEAT Pac was bring. Pac was in there ass every chance he got; shittin on them. I remember when they made the video for "California Love" prior and Pac was saying basically he was just getting started.

At the end of the day, we lost two greats. As far as HipHop is concerned. The death of them both goes much deeper than HipHop.

 

[Surveyor]

pac said it best he did mo fa da eastcoast than da eastcoast did smh...

[video=youtube;JQexa5GFlw4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQexa5GFlw4[/video]

This nigga was about to go off lol!

 

[DatNiggaB1]

nah thats what you want to believe

I'll break it down for you why I think thats what he was saying. Jus got to pop out for 5 mins. But if he wasn't saying that why say fuck 2pac in the first place?