The Goat Album Tournament - Semi Finals: Reasonable Doubt VS Doggystyle

[_Goldie_]

Reasonable Doubt isn't even Jay Z's best album...

How it beat Wu-Tang in this tournament, I'll never know.

Cats weren't even checkin' like that for Jay Z until after the 'Hard Knock Life' Tour... fact.

Snoop's album got bootlegged and recalled for uncleared samples and still almost did a million copies in the first week out. The streets were going crazy!

Eventhough Jay was so much of a non factor Pac felt it was necessary to diss Jay in the intro of his album?

Doggystyle was the bigger album, doesnt mean it was the best.

Listen... I'm not saying Jay was a "non factor". Of course he was huge in New York.

But people are doing some revisionist history and trying to make "Reasonable Doubt" Jay Z's "Illmatic". There was a ton of albums bigger and better than RD that year out of New York alone.

Jay Z was still living in the shadows of cats like Jaz-O, Big Daddy Kane, Big L (everyone knows Big L ate Jay Z on their freestyle together), and Biggie during this era. He went from that fast Fu-Schnickens/ Chip Fu/ Kane type flow and then switched it up to a more NY story teller type flow.

The real reason Pac dissed Jay was because Jay was Big's man and yelling out "Brooklyn"... Pac dissed Chino XL too so that is a wack point...LOL.

Pac didnt open his album up dissing Chino XL, youre trying to rewrite history as if nobody was checking for Jay. When at the end of the day it doesnt even matter. Theres madddd albums that were bigger than illmatic, who df cares lol. In 2015 RD is the better album imo

 

[TheGOAT]

Reasonable Doubt isn't even Jay Z's best album...

Yes it is

 

[DR. JEK]

No it's not, Blueprint is

 

[SecondChanceBro]

Reasonable Dobut is the most overrated classic of all time.

 

[Lab Baby]

Dear, God, i wonder could you save me, I cant die......

"Illuminati want my mind, soul and my body"

 

[Stew]

East Coast in full effect!

Im from the East Coast but...........

 

[Stew]

Oh and OBFCL lost to Doggystyle in the last round and OBFCL is better than Reasonable Doubt imo

 

[blatalian]

It didn't take Biggie dying for me to be a Jay fan...RD is a classic album and his best...he has other classic albums but none touching RD...facts....RD was 25 yrs in tha making so it had more substance than tha other albums that were 1 yr at a time...

 

[supergangster]

 

[DR. JEK]

Jays best shit is Brookyns finest (and that's cuz Big was murdering him on it) and D EVILS. Scoops shiznit, G`s & Hustlers, pump pump, Murder was the case as well as snoop overall production being better....I mean it's an easy choice to me

Even they hit singles

Gin & juice>>>>>Ain't no nigga (simp anthem)

 

[Stew]

@_Goldie_ u should know better not to make this kinda thread on a Saturday night b smh I know u was itchin to make it but you couldve held out to Monday lol

 

[The Recipe]

 

[_Goldie_]

@_Goldie_ u should know better not to make this kinda thread on a Saturday night b smh I know u was itchin to make it but you couldve held out to Monday lol

Yea i was gonna wait till tomorrow, but I said fuck it lol. Its getting more traffic than I thought it would for a Saturday tho.

 

[TheGOAT]

Both albums in my top 5

But Doggystyle paid respect to my favorite rapper Slick Rick, instilled in me a lifelong love of gin & juice, & bangs start to finish....

Aint No Nigga makes me SMH everytime it comes on

 

[_Goldie_]

Pretty harsh reviews for both albums lol

 

[supergangster]

Dear, God, i wonder could you save me, I cant die......

"Illuminati want my mind, soul and my body"

Nigga gtfo dont act like Jay wrote that shit

 

[5th Letter]

Snoop Dogg- G'z Up Hoes Down (unreleased)


Jay Z- Can I Live

 

[Louis Devinear]

I was 16 when rd dropped 13 when doggystyle came out. It was a different climate when these albums came out. The chronic came and fucked the game up. NY niggas was amazed at how well put together that album was. When everybody heard snoop on that album. Everyone knew he was gonna be a star. The anticipation for his solo was tremendous on both coasts. NYC was fucking with that death row movement hard.. Different sound, different perspective, different slang just all around impact. Snoop changed the game. If it wasn't for RTD and illmatic the west coast stranglehold would've been even stronger. That's how strong those two albums were.

RTD and illmatic saved us. We was always lyrics first beats second. As long as your head was nodding the lyrics did the rest. Yall are right when you say RD had no impact when it dropped. And the reason for that it was to many great artist in NY at the time for him to compete with. Ob4cl had NY on smash. Everywhere you went you heard either ice cream or criminology. That album was to strong for anybody to fuck with at the time. That shit had every rap nigga that thought they was on top reevaluate they own shit. And jay shit just didn't standout. But the thing about RD was like a few before albums before it. The shit was ahead of its time. The nigga was making grown man hustler music that was so coded that you really didn't appreciate it until he dumbed down on Vol.2 and that's when it hit niggas. I really didn't catch it till I was 20. Coming from OT listening to regrets. A 16 year old can't relate to some of the shit he was saying in that song or shit in d'evils. Not saying it was to advanced but you had to be knee deep in it to appreciate that type of angle he was coming from. Aside from ain't no nigga which I don't think is a bad song at all. There's not one bad track on that album.

So now in 2015 I listen to both of those albums. One gives me a nostalgic Feeling like damn I remember what I was doing when Gin and Juice came out etc etc. but when I listen to reasonable doubt, I see the picture he he was trying to paint. I was just young to see his vision in 96.

"Ghettos Errol Flynn hot like heroin young pimps is thorough when I pimp through your borough in. You young boys keep your chicks intact cause I walk like a pimp talk like a Mack trick.

 

[TheGOAT]

^ GOAT

Nice breakdown... even tho u reek of the East Coast Bias

 

[Louis Devinear]

Had to put my bias to the side. But you gotta give credit where it's due. To deny doggystyle is pure fuckery. But imo RD is way more advanced and still resonates with a lot of people in that way.