The Goat Album Tournament - Semi Finals: Reasonable Doubt VS Doggystyle

[achewon87]

Pac went @ a Jay b/c he rolled with Big and was supposed to be next to blow...

Nas wrote about this on Last Real Nigga Alive...

Snoop Dogg- G'z Up Hoes Down (unreleased)


Jay Z- Can I Live

The youtube title is actually wrong. "G'z Up Hoes Down" WAS released on the first pressings of Snoop's "Doggystyle". But in a rush to put out the record by deadline, they didn't get the proper sample clearance from Isaac Hayes' people and someone from his camp filed a lawsuit which led to an album recall.

A hastily re-issued album came out with a different sample but I still have a copy with the original version on it.

I read about that years ago but I just don't count it as an official album cut.

 

[Stew]

Cant believe I just read a Tomp post, I never do that shit.

 

[Louis Devinear]

@tompetrez3 I wouldn't say better. But a lot of younger artist in my age range had my attention. And rd is far from garbage. What works for some may not work for all.

 

[The Recipe]

Ill give someone 10 GOAT's if they can find the Aquemini Source review.

The closest I found but Ill keep an eye out for it.



LOL at Coolio getting 4 mics at the bottom though can anybody say payola

 

[tompetrez3]

And exactly what was so advanced about his drug raps because the fat lipped nigga said RD was inspired by Riding Dirty and UGK other albums. That advanced shit you hear is probably some game he stole from Pimp C because Pimp C been rapping about 88 since 88. So how can something groundbreaking have elements of something thats been done already? yall dumb ass jigga bitches lack of lapse judgement got "ahead of his time" confused with Jay Z being so behind the curve (old debut age, multiple mentors, emulated sound and topics) it just appears that he is running away with a style in his own lane. Everything that was talked about in RD was put under a bigger microscope in OB4CL a year prior.

 

[Stew]

Ill give someone 10 GOAT's if they can find the Aquemini Source review.

The closest I found but Ill keep an eye out for it.



LOL at Coolio getting 4 mics at the bottom though can anybody say payola

YEA NIGGA THAT AINT IT!! lol

 

[Peace_79]

I was 16 when rd dropped 13 when doggystyle came out. It was a different climate when these albums came out. The chronic came and fucked the game up. NY niggas was amazed at how well put together that album was. When everybody heard snoop on that album. Everyone knew he was gonna be a star. The anticipation for his solo was tremendous on both coasts. NYC was fucking with that death row movement hard.. Different sound, different perspective, different slang just all around impact. Snoop changed the game. If it wasn't for RTD and illmatic the west coast stranglehold would've been even stronger. That's how strong those two albums were.

RTD and illmatic saved us. We was always lyrics first beats second. As long as your head was nodding the lyrics did the rest. Yall are right when you say RD had no impact when it dropped. And the reason for that it was to many great artist in NY at the time for him to compete with. Ob4cl had NY on smash. Everywhere you went you heard either ice cream or criminology. That album was to strong for anybody to fuck with at the time. That shit had every rap nigga that thought they was on top reevaluate they own shit. And jay shit just didn't standout. But the thing about RD was like a few before albums before it. The shit was ahead of its time. The nigga was making grown man hustler music that was so coded that you really didn't appreciate it until he dumbed down on Vol.2 and that's when it hit niggas. I really didn't catch it till I was 20. Coming from OT listening to regrets. A 16 year old can't relate to some of the shit he was saying in that song or shit in d'evils. Not saying it was to advanced but you had to be knee deep in it to appreciate that type of angle he was coming from. Aside from ain't no nigga which I don't think is a bad song at all. There's not one bad track on that album.

So now in 2015 I listen to both of those albums. One gives me a nostalgic Feeling like damn I remember what I was doing when Gin and Juice came out etc etc. but when I listen to reasonable doubt, I see the picture he he was trying to paint. I was just young to see his vision in 96.

"Ghettos Errol Flynn hot like heroin young pimps is thorough when I pimp through your borough in. You young boys keep your chicks intact cause I walk like a pimp talk like a Mack trick.

So in other words Jay Z and RD was overshadowed by more talented artists that put out greater albums....exactly the reason why RD is garbage. There were better artists than Jay Z that put out better albums than Reasonable Doubt in 1996. This tournament is bullshit anyways. Threadstarter is a jigga warrior who creates these matchups at odd times so Jay Z can get an advantage in votes. Nothing will change. RD still will be garbage. RD still wont never be played at a high volume in a nigga car this summer. I never heard a nigga playing RD at a trap when I go get my weed. RD is an imaginary hustlers album. Cant believe yall grown man ass men that fall for the 92 bricks story.

LMAO, Well Damn

 

[TheGOAT]

Ill give someone 10 GOAT's if they can find the Aquemini Source review.

The closest I found but Ill keep an eye out for it.



LOL at Coolio getting 4 mics at the bottom though can anybody say payola

Dont diss Coolio da GAWD

 

[TheGOAT]

And exactly what was so advanced about his drug raps because the fat lipped nigga said RD was inspired by Riding Dirty and UGK other albums. That advanced shit you hear is probably some game he stole from Pimp C because Pimp C been rapping about 88 since 88. So how can something groundbreaking have elements of something thats been done already? yall dumb ass jigga bitches lack of lapse judgement got "ahead of his time" confused with Jay Z being so behind the curve (old debut age, multiple mentors, emulated sound and topics) it just appears that he is running away with a style in his own lane. Everything that was talked about in RD was put under a bigger microscope in OB4CL a year prior.

Pimp the GOAT

but respect to Reasonable Doubt

My top 5 albums

Illmatic

Ridin Dirty

Doggystyle

Reasonable Doubt

The Diary

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

Ill give someone 10 GOAT's if they can find the Aquemini Source review.

The closest I found but Ill keep an eye out for it.



LOL at Coolio getting 4 mics at the bottom though can anybody say payola

You are sleeping on that Coolio Album it was tight back in the day... County Line, Mama I am In Love, Fantastic Voyage, I remember, all were dope tracks...

Oh Yeah

...

 

[Louis Devinear]

On some G shit. The first time I ever heard of ugk was on big pimping. No ever said it was ground breaking. I said advanced as articulated the way he did. Everyone was straight forward he was more distinguished with it. Nobody hailing rd like it was the best thing since sliced bread. If you read my post you could differentiate that. You far from dumb. This I know. I'm not arguing with you. I know your style. I've lurked this board for years. But fact is fact. Niggas wasn't sophisticated with they shit until reasonable doubt dropped.

Look at how niggas is rhyming that's due to who. But Ima let niggas live caus it's beautiful.

Live niggas

 

[Stew]

Ill give someone 10 GOAT's if they can find the Aquemini Source review.

The closest I found but Ill keep an eye out for it.



LOL at Coolio getting 4 mics at the bottom though can anybody say payola

You are sleeping on that Coolio Album it was tight back in the day... County Line, Mama I am In Love, Fantastic Voyage, I remember, all were dope tracks...

Oh Yeah

...

1 GOAT on deck......but I cant read the shit b. Too small.

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

Ill give someone 10 GOAT's if they can find the Aquemini Source review.

The closest I found but Ill keep an eye out for it.



LOL at Coolio getting 4 mics at the bottom though can anybody say payola

You are sleeping on that Coolio Album it was tight back in the day... County Line, Mama I am In Love, Fantastic Voyage, I remember, all were dope tracks...

Oh Yeah

...

1 GOAT on deck......but I cant read the shit b. Too small.

Give me a sec working on that as we speak was bugging me also...

 

[J.J._Evans]

Reasonable Doubt should never have made it past Makaveli.

Me and the wife can have 50 people over to the house for a bbq tomorrow and play either Doggystyle or Makaveli without skipping a song. Every man and woman there would know every song and some would know every word. I got much respect for Reasonable Doubt, but the same thing wouldn't happen.

 

[Stew]

Ill give someone 10 GOAT's if they can find the Aquemini Source review.

The closest I found but Ill keep an eye out for it.



LOL at Coolio getting 4 mics at the bottom though can anybody say payola

You are sleeping on that Coolio Album it was tight back in the day... County Line, Mama I am In Love, Fantastic Voyage, I remember, all were dope tracks...

Oh Yeah

...

1 GOAT on deck......but I cant read the shit b. Too small.

Give me a sec working on that as we speak was bugging me also...

I found it(the article anyway, not the screenshot like u got), no worries but I appreciate you for looking.

 

[aka_OG]

im hoping atleast half y'all bigging up RD was around when it actually came out

i didnt take jay serious until vol 2 came out (caught my attention after watching streets is watching)

RD is good no doubt. wont agree its jay best tho. was hip hop blasphemy when it made it past Wu tang Forever

doggystyle earned its spot

 

[_Lefty]

I just noticed wu tang forever beat 2001. Fuck this tournament.

 

[TheGOAT]

I just noticed wu tang forever beat 2001. Fuck this tournament.

 

[DR. JEK]

im hoping atleast half y'all bigging up RD was around when it actually came out

i didnt take jay serious until vol 2 came out (caught my attention after watching streets is watching)

RD is good no doubt. wont agree its jay best tho. was hip hop blasphemy when it made it past Wu tang Forever

doggystyle earned its spot

Very well said. I agree with every word of this post

 

[GunTown]

Easily Doggystyle by a million miles

Reasonable Doubt isn't even a classic