The Goat Album Tournament - Semi Finals: Reasonable Doubt VS Doggystyle

[whoseworldisthis]

Snoop Dogg- G'z Up Hoes Down (unreleased)


Jay Z- Can I Live

The youtube title is actually wrong. "G'z Up Hoes Down" WAS released on the first pressings of Snoop's "Doggystyle". But in a rush to put out the record by deadline, they didn't get the proper sample clearance from Isaac Hayes' people and someone from his camp filed a lawsuit which led to an album recall.

A hastily re-issued album came out with a different sample but I still have a copy with the original version on it.

 

[Stew]

I was 16 when rd dropped 13 when doggystyle came out. It was a different climate when these albums came out. The chronic came and fucked the game up. NY niggas was amazed at how well put together that album was. When everybody heard snoop on that album. Everyone knew he was gonna be a star. The anticipation for his solo was tremendous on both coasts. NYC was fucking with that death row movement hard.. Different sound, different perspective, different slang just all around impact. Snoop changed the game. If it wasn't for RTD and illmatic the west coast stranglehold would've been even stronger. That's how strong those two albums were.

RTD and illmatic saved us. We was always lyrics first beats second. As long as your head was nodding the lyrics did the rest. Yall are right when you say RD had no impact when it dropped. And the reason for that it was to many great artist in NY at the time for him to compete with. Ob4cl had NY on smash. Everywhere you went you heard either ice cream or criminology. That album was to strong for anybody to fuck with at the time. That shit had every rap nigga that thought they was on top reevaluate they own shit. And jay shit just didn't standout. But the thing about RD was like a few before albums before it. The shit was ahead of its time. The nigga was making grown man hustler music that was so coded that you really didn't appreciate it until he dumbed down on Vol.2 and that's when it hit niggas. I really didn't catch it till I was 20. Coming from OT listening to regrets. A 16 year old can't relate to some of the shit he was saying in that song or shit in d'evils. Not saying it was to advanced but you had to be knee deep in it to appreciate that type of angle he was coming from. Aside from ain't no nigga which I don't think is a bad song at all. There's not one bad track on that album.

So now in 2015 I listen to both of those albums. One gives me a nostalgic Feeling like damn I remember what I was doing when Gin and Juice came out etc etc. but when I listen to reasonable doubt, I see the picture he he was trying to paint. I was just young to see his vision in 96.

"Ghettos Errol Flynn hot like heroin young pimps is thorough when I pimp through your borough in. You young boys keep your chicks intact cause I walk like a pimp talk like a Mack trick.

Thats because he was 27 when he put that album out bruh. He was a rookie(mainstream wise) at 27! Most of our fav rappers minus Jay/Em were teenagers when they dropped, thats why it sounded like that. Had RD not worked, he'd be still pushin weight or workin a regular ass job.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Doggystyle vs Me Against The World

 

[StoneColdMikey]

so its gonna be a west coast rapper vs illmatic an east coast rapper

 

[_Goldie_]

Doggystyle vs Me Against The World

Still got Me Against The World VS Its Dark and Hell is Hot in the semi finals

 

[5th Letter]

Snoop Dogg- G'z Up Hoes Down (unreleased)


Jay Z- Can I Live

The youtube title is actually wrong. "G'z Up Hoes Down" WAS released on the first pressings of Snoop's "Doggystyle". But in a rush to put out the record by deadline, they didn't get the proper sample clearance from Isaac Hayes' people and someone from his camp filed a lawsuit which led to an album recall.

A hastily re-issued album came out with a different sample but I still have a copy with the original version on it.

I read about that years ago but I just don't count it as an official album cut.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Doggystyle vs Me Against The World

Still got Me Against The World VS Its Dark and Hell is Hot in the semi finals

im predicting pac to win

 

[supergangster]

I was 16 when rd dropped 13 when doggystyle came out. It was a different climate when these albums came out. The chronic came and fucked the game up. NY niggas was amazed at how well put together that album was. When everybody heard snoop on that album. Everyone knew he was gonna be a star. The anticipation for his solo was tremendous on both coasts. NYC was fucking with that death row movement hard.. Different sound, different perspective, different slang just all around impact. Snoop changed the game. If it wasn't for RTD and illmatic the west coast stranglehold would've been even stronger. That's how strong those two albums were.

RTD and illmatic saved us. We was always lyrics first beats second. As long as your head was nodding the lyrics did the rest. Yall are right when you say RD had no impact when it dropped. And the reason for that it was to many great artist in NY at the time for him to compete with. Ob4cl had NY on smash. Everywhere you went you heard either ice cream or criminology. That album was to strong for anybody to fuck with at the time. That shit had every rap nigga that thought they was on top reevaluate they own shit. And jay shit just didn't standout. But the thing about RD was like a few before albums before it. The shit was ahead of its time. The nigga was making grown man hustler music that was so coded that you really didn't appreciate it until he dumbed down on Vol.2 and that's when it hit niggas. I really didn't catch it till I was 20. Coming from OT listening to regrets. A 16 year old can't relate to some of the shit he was saying in that song or shit in d'evils. Not saying it was to advanced but you had to be knee deep in it to appreciate that type of angle he was coming from. Aside from ain't no nigga which I don't think is a bad song at all. There's not one bad track on that album.

So now in 2015 I listen to both of those albums. One gives me a nostalgic Feeling like damn I remember what I was doing when Gin and Juice came out etc etc. but when I listen to reasonable doubt, I see the picture he he was trying to paint. I was just young to see his vision in 96.

"Ghettos Errol Flynn hot like heroin young pimps is thorough when I pimp through your borough in. You young boys keep your chicks intact cause I walk like a pimp talk like a Mack trick.

Reasonable Doubt is a basic album and Jay Z in general is the most overrated rapper of all time

 

[5th Letter]

I was 16 when rd dropped 13 when doggystyle came out. It was a different climate when these albums came out. The chronic came and fucked the game up. NY niggas was amazed at how well put together that album was. When everybody heard snoop on that album. Everyone knew he was gonna be a star. The anticipation for his solo was tremendous on both coasts. NYC was fucking with that death row movement hard.. Different sound, different perspective, different slang just all around impact. Snoop changed the game. If it wasn't for RTD and illmatic the west coast stranglehold would've been even stronger. That's how strong those two albums were.

RTD and illmatic saved us. We was always lyrics first beats second. As long as your head was nodding the lyrics did the rest. Yall are right when you say RD had no impact when it dropped. And the reason for that it was to many great artist in NY at the time for him to compete with. Ob4cl had NY on smash. Everywhere you went you heard either ice cream or criminology. That album was to strong for anybody to fuck with at the time. That shit had every rap nigga that thought they was on top reevaluate they own shit. And jay shit just didn't standout. But the thing about RD was like a few before albums before it. The shit was ahead of its time. The nigga was making grown man hustler music that was so coded that you really didn't appreciate it until he dumbed down on Vol.2 and that's when it hit niggas. I really didn't catch it till I was 20. Coming from OT listening to regrets. A 16 year old can't relate to some of the shit he was saying in that song or shit in d'evils. Not saying it was to advanced but you had to be knee deep in it to appreciate that type of angle he was coming from. Aside from ain't no nigga which I don't think is a bad song at all. There's not one bad track on that album.

So now in 2015 I listen to both of those albums. One gives me a nostalgic Feeling like damn I remember what I was doing when Gin and Juice came out etc etc. but when I listen to reasonable doubt, I see the picture he he was trying to paint. I was just young to see his vision in 96.

"Ghettos Errol Flynn hot like heroin young pimps is thorough when I pimp through your borough in. You young boys keep your chicks intact cause I walk like a pimp talk like a Mack trick.

As a young fan that 93-96 era of hip hop was incredible.

 

[Louis Devinear]

@stew that's the beauty of it though. Chuck D started when he was 27 same as 50 cent. Both of there music reached different age demographics. The adults fucked with PE. The kids fucked with 50. When RD dropped jay had both demographics and the bitches. Just tougher competition. Win/lose situation. He may have lost to some then. But he eventually started winning soon after. Gift and the Curse.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

seriously when you guys gonna ban zorrow. dude is a fucking white pretending to be black. and now his trolling is fucking worse and one of the main reasons why the reason been shit.

 

[Stew]

@stew that's the beauty of it though. Chuck D started when he was 27 same as 50 cent. Both of there music reached different age demographics. The adults fucked with PE. The kids fucked with 50. When RD dropped jay had both demographics and the bitches. Just tougher competition. Win/lose situation. He may have lost to some then. But he eventually started winning soon after. Gift and the Curse.

Yea yea Im wit u, just sayin thats why it was so "advanced", nigga was 7-10 yrs older than Nas, Snoop, Mobb Deep, Outkast etc.... and probably why it never caught on mainstream like that cause they didnt wanna push an older nigga....Until a couple yrs later at least lol

 

[Louis Devinear]

@"5th Letter" to me that was the golden era. You had at least 25 classic albums drop in that 3 year span.

 

[5 Grand]

I remember going to 125th st in Harlem on my birthday. It was September 1993. I went to cop some mix tapes. I managed to get a Kid Capri Old School tape and DJ S&S Back For That Ass part 2 . The S&S tape had What's My Name by Snoop 2 months before it was officially released.

Mind you, Snoop had a huge buzz from the Chronic and everybody was wondering when his album was going to come out. So I came back to Boston and I was the only one to have the new Snoop. I loaned the tape out (this was before the internet) and it spread like wildfire. The person I loaned it to must have taken it to a place that mass produces tapes.

Anyway, Snoop had a huge hype and I was the first person in Boston to have that tape. Unfortunately I no longer have it.

Its called Back For That Ass part 2 by DJ S&S. If anybody can find it online I'll give you a GOAT.

 

[Stew]

seriously when you guys gonna ban zorrow. dude is a fucking white pretending to be black. and now his trolling is fucking worse and one of the main reasons why the reason been shit.

Its not like hes not been banned before, im sure itll happen again.

 

[whoseworldisthis]

I gotta agree with some of the comments.

Jay Z was around for a long time before he really caught steam with a wider audience.

I didn't really pay attention to him when he was with Jaz O (although "Hawaiian Sophie" was a bit of a cross-over hit on mainstream rap radio) but I do remember Big Daddy Kane (one of my idols) bringing him out all the time and biggin' him up the same way Jay Z would later do for Memphis Bleak.

My ears perked up a bit when I first heard this:

 

[Peace_79]

Reasonable Doubt isn't even Jay Z's best album...

How it beat Wu-Tang in this tournament, I'll never know.

Cats weren't even checkin' like that for Jay Z until after the 'Hard Knock Life' Tour... fact.

Snoop's album got bootlegged and recalled for uncleared samples and still almost did a million copies in the first week out. The streets were going crazy!

Eventhough Jay was so much of a non factor Pac felt it was necessary to diss Jay in the intro of his album?

Doggystyle was the bigger album, doesnt mean it was the best.

Listen... I'm not saying Jay was a "non factor". Of course he was huge in New York.

But people are doing some revisionist history and trying to make "Reasonable Doubt" Jay Z's "Illmatic". There was a ton of albums bigger and better than RD that year out of New York alone.

Jay Z was still living in the shadows of cats like Jaz-O, Big Daddy Kane, Big L (everyone knows Big L ate Jay Z on their freestyle together), and Biggie during this era. He went from that fast Fu-Schnickens/ Chip Fu/ Kane type flow and then switched it up to a more NY story teller type flow.

The real reason Pac dissed Jay was because Jay was Big's man and yelling out "Brooklyn"... Pac dissed Chino XL too so that is a wack point...LOL.

The only thing I took from this quote was reminiscing on how etherous Big L was the short time he was murkin shit.

Im tryin to imagine how he would be looked at today if he was able to enjoy the longevity that many of his contemporaries benefited from.

 

[Stew]

Ill give someone 10 GOAT's if they can find the Aquemini Source review.

 

[TheGOAT]

seriously when you guys gonna ban zorrow. dude is a fucking white pretending to be black. and now his trolling is fucking worse and one of the main reasons why the reason been shit.

 

[tompetrez3]

I was 16 when rd dropped 13 when doggystyle came out. It was a different climate when these albums came out. The chronic came and fucked the game up. NY niggas was amazed at how well put together that album was. When everybody heard snoop on that album. Everyone knew he was gonna be a star. The anticipation for his solo was tremendous on both coasts. NYC was fucking with that death row movement hard.. Different sound, different perspective, different slang just all around impact. Snoop changed the game. If it wasn't for RTD and illmatic the west coast stranglehold would've been even stronger. That's how strong those two albums were.

RTD and illmatic saved us. We was always lyrics first beats second. As long as your head was nodding the lyrics did the rest. Yall are right when you say RD had no impact when it dropped. And the reason for that it was to many great artist in NY at the time for him to compete with. Ob4cl had NY on smash. Everywhere you went you heard either ice cream or criminology. That album was to strong for anybody to fuck with at the time. That shit had every rap nigga that thought they was on top reevaluate they own shit. And jay shit just didn't standout. But the thing about RD was like a few before albums before it. The shit was ahead of its time. The nigga was making grown man hustler music that was so coded that you really didn't appreciate it until he dumbed down on Vol.2 and that's when it hit niggas. I really didn't catch it till I was 20. Coming from OT listening to regrets. A 16 year old can't relate to some of the shit he was saying in that song or shit in d'evils. Not saying it was to advanced but you had to be knee deep in it to appreciate that type of angle he was coming from. Aside from ain't no nigga which I don't think is a bad song at all. There's not one bad track on that album.

So now in 2015 I listen to both of those albums. One gives me a nostalgic Feeling like damn I remember what I was doing when Gin and Juice came out etc etc. but when I listen to reasonable doubt, I see the picture he he was trying to paint. I was just young to see his vision in 96.

"Ghettos Errol Flynn hot like heroin young pimps is thorough when I pimp through your borough in. You young boys keep your chicks intact cause I walk like a pimp talk like a Mack trick.

So in other words Jay Z and RD was overshadowed by more talented artists that put out greater albums....exactly the reason why RD is garbage. There were better artists than Jay Z that put out better albums than Reasonable Doubt in 1996. This tournament is bullshit anyways. Threadstarter is a jigga warrior who creates these matchups at odd times so Jay Z can get an advantage in votes. Nothing will change. RD still will be garbage. RD still wont never be played at a high volume in a nigga car this summer. I never heard a nigga playing RD at a trap when I go get my weed. RD is an imaginary hustlers album. Cant believe yall grown man ass men that fall for the 92 bricks story.