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alissowack
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Anansi;6404861 said:alissowack;6404823 said:If the thread is meant to show that God is the "bad guy", then my hope is that people reconsider. The Devil is not immune to doing good things. It's even said in the Bible that he can disguise himself as an "angel of light". He can play nice and give good gifts. Morality is his best weapon nowadays for all he needs to do is get the world thinking that a person's actions are far more credible than the intentions...or the heart of the matter; that good morals make for a "sinless" person and he has accomplished a lot. "If I can be good all by myself, then I don't need God for anything else", is what the Devil wants us to believe.
We're just presenting texts and stories from the good book to determine who commits more murder, rape and pillage, devil or man under the command of god
Yeah...sounds like a line that even the Devil himself would use...just "look" at what God and His People have done compared to me!!! Pay no mind "the details". My hands are clean (or less bloodier)!!!!
According to the Bible, because of sin, mankind is fair gain. With the exception of Jesus, there is no such thing as a "good" person in eyes of God.
alissowack;6404823 said:If the thread is meant to show that God is the "bad guy", then my hope is that people reconsider. The Devil is not immune to doing good things. It's even said in the Bible that he can disguise himself as an "angel of light". He can play nice and give good gifts. Morality is his best weapon nowadays for all he needs to do is get the world thinking that a person's actions are far more credible than the intentions...or the heart of the matter; that good morals make for a "sinless" person and he has accomplished a lot. "If I can be good all by myself, then I don't need God for anything else", is what the Devil wants us to believe.
Based on your logic. Allah could be god because the Quran says he is.
Black Boy King
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Anansi;6404491 said:Ziryab;6404423 said:LOLLLL I READ THE FIRST FEW PARAGRAPHS AND JUS SMH.. IS IT WRONG TO LAUGH???
NO MERCY IN THE END ON ANY ENEMY OF GOD
SATAN IS TORMENTIN GODS SERVANTS AND HAS BEEN SINCE EVE ATE THE FRUIT
U THINK GOD AINT GON GET REVENGE AND LET HIS ANGELS AND FALLEN SOULJAS HAVE A FIELD DAY ON THE DEVILS??
YOU CRAZYYYYYY. YOU BETTER FIGURE OUT WHO SIDE YOU WANNA BE ON, YOU STILL GOT TIME AT THE TIME OF THIS POST
No, it's not wrong to laugh
Why did god allow satan to deceive eve?
I'm sure that field day won't be in our time
I'm on the side that reasons with my conscience
I understand bro
though again I quote the same Scripture for you
1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
If you insist on waiting for the ultimate mystery to be revealed, then you'll just have to witness and endure the Tribulation because that's when the Scripture says it will be revealed.
But I can't satisfy your earthly conscience with reason regarding the Entity that is far greater than our earthly capacity without speaking outside of Scripture. Astrology and all that stuff that the magis use(d) supposedly proved existence of the heavenly bodies (as Scripture says they used the stars to find baby Jesus, the coming Messiah) but that won't save you. Earthly knowledge can't save you, works/merit can't save you, the angels can't save you, chakras can't save you, ancient Egyptian mysteries and their derivatives can't save you, the brothers can't save you, the military can't save you, that trip to Mars with the rich can't save you (LOL, they're silly), only faith in Christ and faith alone.
alissowack;6404981 said:Anansi;6404861 said:alissowack;6404823 said:If the thread is meant to show that God is the "bad guy", then my hope is that people reconsider. The Devil is not immune to doing good things. It's even said in the Bible that he can disguise himself as an "angel of light". He can play nice and give good gifts. Morality is his best weapon nowadays for all he needs to do is get the world thinking that a person's actions are far more credible than the intentions...or the heart of the matter; that good morals make for a "sinless" person and he has accomplished a lot. "If I can be good all by myself, then I don't need God for anything else", is what the Devil wants us to believe.
We're just presenting texts and stories from the good book to determine who commits more murder, rape and pillage, devil or man under the command of god
Yeah...sounds like a line that even the Devil himself would use...just "look" at what God and His People have done compared to me!!! Pay no mind "the details". My hands are clean (or less bloodier)!!!!
According to the Bible, because of sin, mankind is fair gain. With the exception of Jesus, there is no such thing as a "good" person in eyes of God.
Lol my fellow brethren....even god himself realized his folly in the book and promised never to destroy his creations again or nah?
I Came Not To Send Peace"
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-37)
Comment
These words of Jesus confirm the unbelievable notion that Jesus did not come to establish peace, but rather to send the sword and to put man against his family.Is he really a "Prince of Peace"? So much for family values.
(See also Luke 12: 51-53, Luke 12:49 and Luke 14:26.)
I Come To Send Fire
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?" (Luke 12:49)
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke 12:51-53)
Comment
From his own words the son of Yahweh brought confusion and division among families.Is that the only way he can preach his good new? It seems Yahweh and his son are not creative enough to find a better way to get their message to the people. Confusion and division are qualities of the 'Devil, not of a true supreme being.
(See also Luke 14:26)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-37)
Comment
These words of Jesus confirm the unbelievable notion that Jesus did not come to establish peace, but rather to send the sword and to put man against his family.Is he really a "Prince of Peace"? So much for family values.
(See also Luke 12: 51-53, Luke 12:49 and Luke 14:26.)
I Come To Send Fire
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?" (Luke 12:49)
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke 12:51-53)
Comment
From his own words the son of Yahweh brought confusion and division among families.Is that the only way he can preach his good new? It seems Yahweh and his son are not creative enough to find a better way to get their message to the people. Confusion and division are qualities of the 'Devil, not of a true supreme being.
(See also Luke 14:26)
Anansi;6405264 said:I Came Not To Send Peace"
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-37)
Comment
These words of Jesus confirm the unbelievable notion that Jesus did not come to establish peace, but rather to send the sword and to put man against his family.Is he really a "Prince of Peace"? So much for family values.
(See also Luke 12: 51-53, Luke 12:49 and Luke 14:26.)
I Come To Send Fire
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?" (Luke 12:49)
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke 12:51-53)
Comment
From his own words the son of Yahweh brought confusion and division among families.Is that the only way he can preach his good new? It seems Yahweh and his son are not creative enough to find a better way to get their message to the people. Confusion and division are qualities of the 'Devil, not of a true supreme being.
(See also Luke 14:26)
You took those verses out of context completely
jesus came to bring the sword does not mean he came to cause death. It means he came to separate the believers from the non-believers because some will choose him and some will not. Also divison is not a bad thing ESPECIALLY when you are being pulled away from the darkness.
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zombie;6405359 said:Anansi;6405264 said:I Came Not To Send Peace"
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-37)
Comment
These words of Jesus confirm the unbelievable notion that Jesus did not come to establish peace, but rather to send the sword and to put man against his family.Is he really a "Prince of Peace"? So much for family values.
(See also Luke 12: 51-53, Luke 12:49 and Luke 14:26.)
I Come To Send Fire
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?" (Luke 12:49)
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke 12:51-53)
Comment
From his own words the son of Yahweh brought confusion and division among families.Is that the only way he can preach his good new? It seems Yahweh and his son are not creative enough to find a better way to get their message to the people. Confusion and division are qualities of the 'Devil, not of a true supreme being.
(See also Luke 14:26)
You took those verses out of context completely
jesus came to bring the sword does not mean he came to cause death. It means he came to separate the believers from the non-believers because some will choose him and some will not. Also divison is not a bad thing ESPECIALLY when you are being pulled away from the darkness.
That's not very Christ-like
Black Boy King
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2 Peter 3:14-18
New King James Version (NKJV)
Be Steadfast
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen
come back bro, we're going home soon
The True Flesh
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Anansi;6404575 said:The purpose of this thread as i clearly outline in the first page was to discern who caused more death, rape or pillagery in the bible? So because kids tease an old man, god commands a bear to rip them to shreds?
Why is god watching from a distance when his people perish brah? I need you to intellectually analyze my intent and not from faith...
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. Proverbs 26:11
You still talking this out of context bullsh*t even after I showed you the erroneous translation of that passage.
.......and yet you claim to be asking sincere questions and not have an antagonistic agenda.
BASED ON THIS I WON'T BE RETURNING TO THIS THREAD .......IT'S NOT WORTHY OF A RESPONSE
PEACE
Anansi;6404048 said:zombie;6403455 said:Anansi;6403418 said:@zombie the bible and according to god describes attempting to do sin as committing the sin itself so I disagree with that statement. So according to your logic, who committed the first sin then?
nah see i was talking about god bringing judgement in reference to the results of actually ACTIONS in the OT.
THE FIRST SIN ON EARTH I BLAME ADAM.
I see, many instances in the bible he threatened his people and yet being the "god" that he is, gave them a way out.
How do you blame Adam when Lucifer was the con artist? What is your whole view on the bible?
I BLAME adam for the first sin on earth, eve was tricked but adam was not he ate it willingly without being tempted by the devil. what are you asking me when you say "what is your whole view on the bible"
Anansi;6405373 said:zombie;6405359 said:Anansi;6405264 said:I Came Not To Send Peace"
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-37)
Comment
These words of Jesus confirm the unbelievable notion that Jesus did not come to establish peace, but rather to send the sword and to put man against his family.Is he really a "Prince of Peace"? So much for family values.
(See also Luke 12: 51-53, Luke 12:49 and Luke 14:26.)
I Come To Send Fire
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?" (Luke 12:49)
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke 12:51-53)
Comment
From his own words the son of Yahweh brought confusion and division among families.Is that the only way he can preach his good new? It seems Yahweh and his son are not creative enough to find a better way to get their message to the people. Confusion and division are qualities of the 'Devil, not of a true supreme being.
(See also Luke 14:26)
You took those verses out of context completely
jesus came to bring the sword does not mean he came to cause death. It means he came to separate the believers from the non-believers because some will choose him and some will not. Also divison is not a bad thing ESPECIALLY when you are being pulled away from the darkness.
That's not very Christ-like
you read the bible but you do not understand it
from the very start god has been pulling the good away from the wicked and setting certain people apart from others abraham is the perfect example god pulled him away from his family and country.
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The True Flesh;6405377 said:Anansi;6404575 said:The purpose of this thread as i clearly outline in the first page was to discern who caused more death, rape or pillagery in the bible? So because kids tease an old man, god commands a bear to rip them to shreds?
Why is god watching from a distance when his people perish brah? I need you to intellectually analyze my intent and not from faith...
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. Proverbs 26:11
You still talking this out of context bullsh*t even after I showed you the erroneous translation of that passage.
.......and yet you claim to be asking sincere questions and not have an antagonistic agenda.
BASED ON THIS I WON'T BE RETURNING TO THIS THREAD .......IT'S NOT WORTHY OF A RESPONSE
PEACE
Shalom! Here's the thing with Christians and the Bible, why do you always think someone has an agenda? And like written text, anyone can pick and choose which parts to use in an argument. You chose a particular sect of language in its translation to debunk what i presented. I do agree that with more translations, a word tends to lose it's definitive meaning so from Aramaic to english, definitely some components have been lost. Also i honestly believe some sections of the Bible has been left out...
zombie;6405383 said:Anansi;6404048 said:zombie;6403455 said:Anansi;6403418 said:@zombie the bible and according to god describes attempting to do sin as committing the sin itself so I disagree with that statement. So according to your logic, who committed the first sin then?
nah see i was talking about god bringing judgement in reference to the results of actually ACTIONS in the OT.
THE FIRST SIN ON EARTH I BLAME ADAM.
I see, many instances in the bible he threatened his people and yet being the "god" that he is, gave them a way out.
How do you blame Adam when Lucifer was the con artist? What is your whole view on the bible?
I BLAME adam for the first sin on earth, eve was tricked but adam was not he ate it willingly without being tempted by the devil. what are you asking me when you say "what is your whole view on the bible"
Pretty much trying to seek out if you believe the 66 books alone isn't the general makeup of the laws of Israel and the teachings of christ?
Anansi;6405413 said:zombie;6405383 said:Anansi;6404048 said:zombie;6403455 said:Anansi;6403418 said:@zombie the bible and according to god describes attempting to do sin as committing the sin itself so I disagree with that statement. So according to your logic, who committed the first sin then?
nah see i was talking about god bringing judgement in reference to the results of actually ACTIONS in the OT.
THE FIRST SIN ON EARTH I BLAME ADAM.
I see, many instances in the bible he threatened his people and yet being the "god" that he is, gave them a way out.
How do you blame Adam when Lucifer was the con artist? What is your whole view on the bible?
I BLAME adam for the first sin on earth, eve was tricked but adam was not he ate it willingly without being tempted by the devil. what are you asking me when you say "what is your whole view on the bible"
Pretty much trying to seek out if you believe the 66 books alone isn't the general makeup of the laws of Israel and the teachings of christ?
so you want to know if i believe in the so called apocrypha. the answer is yes but not all of them.
zombie;6405505 said:Anansi;6405413 said:zombie;6405383 said:Anansi;6404048 said:zombie;6403455 said:Anansi;6403418 said:@zombie the bible and according to god describes attempting to do sin as committing the sin itself so I disagree with that statement. So according to your logic, who committed the first sin then?
nah see i was talking about god bringing judgement in reference to the results of actually ACTIONS in the OT.
THE FIRST SIN ON EARTH I BLAME ADAM.
I see, many instances in the bible he threatened his people and yet being the "god" that he is, gave them a way out.
How do you blame Adam when Lucifer was the con artist? What is your whole view on the bible?
I BLAME adam for the first sin on earth, eve was tricked but adam was not he ate it willingly without being tempted by the devil. what are you asking me when you say "what is your whole view on the bible"
Pretty much trying to seek out if you believe the 66 books alone isn't the general makeup of the laws of Israel and the teachings of christ?
so you want to know if i believe in the so called apocrypha. the answer is yes but not all of them.
So then, like any book, reading from pages 1-30 and having pages 31-60 missing will leave readers dumbfounded right?
alissowack
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beenwize;6405174 said:alissowack;6404823 said:If the thread is meant to show that God is the "bad guy", then my hope is that people reconsider. The Devil is not immune to doing good things. It's even said in the Bible that he can disguise himself as an "angel of light". He can play nice and give good gifts. Morality is his best weapon nowadays for all he needs to do is get the world thinking that a person's actions are far more credible than the intentions...or the heart of the matter; that good morals make for a "sinless" person and he has accomplished a lot. "If I can be good all by myself, then I don't need God for anything else", is what the Devil wants us to believe.
Based on your logic. Allah could be god because the Quran says he is.
We all know that this thread is about what the Bible says...whether it be believed to be good or bad. I posted things in reference to what I believe the Bible to be saying...whether right or wrong. I don't see where I am suggesting that the Bible is the only book that uses a deity as a source to life. Sure, it can be said that Allah is God because the Quran says so but I'm not referencing that book.
alissowack
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Anansi;6405254 said:alissowack;6404981 said:Anansi;6404861 said:alissowack;6404823 said:If the thread is meant to show that God is the "bad guy", then my hope is that people reconsider. The Devil is not immune to doing good things. It's even said in the Bible that he can disguise himself as an "angel of light". He can play nice and give good gifts. Morality is his best weapon nowadays for all he needs to do is get the world thinking that a person's actions are far more credible than the intentions...or the heart of the matter; that good morals make for a "sinless" person and he has accomplished a lot. "If I can be good all by myself, then I don't need God for anything else", is what the Devil wants us to believe.
We're just presenting texts and stories from the good book to determine who commits more murder, rape and pillage, devil or man under the command of god
Yeah...sounds like a line that even the Devil himself would use...just "look" at what God and His People have done compared to me!!! Pay no mind "the details". My hands are clean (or less bloodier)!!!!
According to the Bible, because of sin, mankind is fair gain. With the exception of Jesus, there is no such thing as a "good" person in eyes of God.
Lol my fellow brethren....even god himself realized his folly in the book and promised never to destroy his creations again or nah?
To say that you know it be folly is to say you have the mind of God. I can't even say what God intends for everyday happenings of life so for you to call it so...you must God.
alissowack;6405609 said:Anansi;6405254 said:alissowack;6404981 said:Anansi;6404861 said:alissowack;6404823 said:If the thread is meant to show that God is the "bad guy", then my hope is that people reconsider. The Devil is not immune to doing good things. It's even said in the Bible that he can disguise himself as an "angel of light". He can play nice and give good gifts. Morality is his best weapon nowadays for all he needs to do is get the world thinking that a person's actions are far more credible than the intentions...or the heart of the matter; that good morals make for a "sinless" person and he has accomplished a lot. "If I can be good all by myself, then I don't need God for anything else", is what the Devil wants us to believe.
We're just presenting texts and stories from the good book to determine who commits more murder, rape and pillage, devil or man under the command of god
Yeah...sounds like a line that even the Devil himself would use...just "look" at what God and His People have done compared to me!!! Pay no mind "the details". My hands are clean (or less bloodier)!!!!
According to the Bible, because of sin, mankind is fair gain. With the exception of Jesus, there is no such thing as a "good" person in eyes of God.
Lol my fellow brethren....even god himself realized his folly in the book and promised never to destroy his creations again or nah?
To say that you know it be folly is to say you have the mind of God. I can't even say what God intends for everyday happenings of life so for you to call it so...you must God.
I'm not god but the soul that i am reasons that for him to say he'll not destroy his creations again with flood or any other source seems to me he regretted his actions or i worded it wrong?
alissowack
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Anansi;6405410 said:The True Flesh;6405377 said:Anansi;6404575 said:The purpose of this thread as i clearly outline in the first page was to discern who caused more death, rape or pillagery in the bible? So because kids tease an old man, god commands a bear to rip them to shreds?
Why is god watching from a distance when his people perish brah? I need you to intellectually analyze my intent and not from faith...
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. Proverbs 26:11
You still talking this out of context bullsh*t even after I showed you the erroneous translation of that passage.
.......and yet you claim to be asking sincere questions and not have an antagonistic agenda.
BASED ON THIS I WON'T BE RETURNING TO THIS THREAD .......IT'S NOT WORTHY OF A RESPONSE
PEACE
Shalom! Here's the thing with Christians and the Bible, why do you always think someone has an agenda? And like written text, anyone can pick and choose which parts to use in an argument. You chose a particular sect of language in its translation to debunk what i presented. I do agree that with more translations, a word tends to lose it's definitive meaning so from Aramaic to english, definitely some components have been lost. Also i honestly believe some sections of the Bible has been left out...
But, can't the same thing be said about non-believers...that they think Christians have an agenda? The classic form of "agenda" attached the Christianity is to brainwash people; control the masses (that probably goes for every other religion). So, when someone comes to defend the Bible, it is thought to be done to cover up something...and not to present the truth about Christianity.
