Tariq Nasheed: Slavery Wasn't That Bad For Black Women

[not_osirus_jenkins]

No black men shit on black women more, no black women shit on black men more. No black men ain't shit, no black women aint shit. No black black men love white women more and shit on black women, no black women love white men more and shit on black men. I mean do y'all hear y'all selves? Black men AND black women are under attack by white supremacy who cares who diss who more?

Fuck black feminist tho right? We are in agreement there am I correct?

 

[desertrain10]

Now i know that black women have been used in this same regard but were men we have to be better than that. Just because black women have habitually disgraced black men on national airwaves don't mean we should.

we have coons, but where did yall get the idea that blk women have publicly bashed/shamed blk men any more than blk men when it comes to shaming blk women

within the blk community no gender has a monopoly on coon behavior and it is counter productive to perpetuate this lie

Nigga u must been under a rock...black men been getting shitted on publicly by black women for the last 30yrs...now that black men have waken up to black womens behavior and speaking on it it's a problem.

my point was blk men are/have been just as guilty ....that is of publicly shitting on blk women....

Just as guilty means "equally" which is not true since black women have had a 30yr head start shitting on black men....

Black men have been voicing their opinions about black women pluclicy only for about he last few years...

It's been movies, books, atrticles etc shitting on black men coming from black women....

Cut that shit out and just be honest.

bruh

since we were freed there has never been a shortage of hoteps and black male intellectuals who have publicly maligned blk women

when prompted to theorize and explain the condition of the black community, their main focus is always on the shortcomings of blk women and/or feminism rather than inequality.....

aligning themselves with the very politicians and white supremacist who seek to oppress them and pigeonhole their sisters, mothers, daughters as little more than welfare queens and baby mommas

nothing the likes of tommy sotomayor or tariq nasheed say is new

 

[tittyman]

The funny thing is, he doesn't say anything about "slavery was better for black women" in that video. This was click bait, but no one here seemed to bother to actual watch the video. The title is fake and it's troll material click bait.

Literally within the first 3 minutes of the video he says there's never been a successful revolt in this country because black women would sell out black men because "master fed them clothed and fucked them every now and again which wasn't so bad" then says a few of them had it easy. He actually said black women didn't mind being raped by slave masters...I know this nigga is some of y'all Savior but your boy K Flexx aka Tariq is on some bullshit with this one

Thats a complete lie. Where in the video does he say that?

 

[tittyman]

The same niggas that want you to ignore Hillary's racism are the same ones shitting on a black man trying to give black people good information

Fuck outta here with the delfection

This entire thread is one big deflection. blackrain lied about something that Tariq never said. Why not address that?

Exactlyy..The OP basically lied about what was said in the video. And now that the lie was revealed, it's like "let's find something else to justify our hating on dude"..

 

[StillFaggyAF]

lol this dude is a pimp? Lmao the only pimp we acknowledge is @BOSSExcellence

 

[Peace_79]

Yeah. Stop simping these females.

@desertrain10

 

[LordZuko]

Now i know that black women have been used in this same regard but were men we have to be better than that. Just because black women have habitually disgraced black men on national airwaves don't mean we should.

we have coons, but where did yall get the idea that blk women have publicly bashed/shamed blk men any more than blk men when it comes to shaming blk women

within the blk community no gender has a monopoly on coon behavior and it is counter productive to perpetuate this lie

Nigga u must been under a rock...black men been getting shitted on publicly by black women for the last 30yrs...now that black men have waken up to black womens behavior and speaking on it it's a problem.

my point was blk men are/have been just as guilty ....that is of publicly shitting on blk women....

Just as guilty means "equally" which is not true since black women have had a 30yr head start shitting on black men....

Black men have been voicing their opinions about black women pluclicy only for about he last few years...

It's been movies, books, atrticles etc shitting on black men coming from black women....

Cut that shit out and just be honest.

bruh

since we were freed there has never been a shortage of hoteps and black male intellectuals who have publicly maligned blk women

when prompted to theorize and explain the condition of the black community, their main focus is always on the shortcomings of blk women and/or feminism rather than inequality.....

aligning themselves with the very politicians and white supremacist who seek to oppress them and pigeonhole their sisters, mothers, daughters as little more than welfare queens and baby mommas

nothing the likes of tommy sotomayor or tariq nasheed say is new

Black men did not have a platform to do any of that. It's not till YouTube and Twitter that black men werr able to voice their opinions. Black women have been doing that shit since the 80s

 

[desertrain10]

Yeah. Stop simping these females.

@desertrain10

never

 

[desertrain10]

Now i know that black women have been used in this same regard but were men we have to be better than that. Just because black women have habitually disgraced black men on national airwaves don't mean we should.

we have coons, but where did yall get the idea that blk women have publicly bashed/shamed blk men any more than blk men when it comes to shaming blk women

within the blk community no gender has a monopoly on coon behavior and it is counter productive to perpetuate this lie

Nigga u must been under a rock...black men been getting shitted on publicly by black women for the last 30yrs...now that black men have waken up to black womens behavior and speaking on it it's a problem.

my point was blk men are/have been just as guilty ....that is of publicly shitting on blk women....

Just as guilty means "equally" which is not true since black women have had a 30yr head start shitting on black men....

Black men have been voicing their opinions about black women pluclicy only for about he last few years...

It's been movies, books, atrticles etc shitting on black men coming from black women....

Cut that shit out and just be honest.

bruh

since we were freed there has never been a shortage of hoteps and black male intellectuals who have publicly maligned blk women

when prompted to theorize and explain the condition of the black community, their main focus is always on the shortcomings of blk women and/or feminism rather than inequality.....

aligning themselves with the very politicians and white supremacist who seek to oppress them and pigeonhole their sisters, mothers, daughters as little more than welfare queens and baby mommas

nothing the likes of tommy sotomayor or tariq nasheed say is new

Black men did not have a platform to do any of that. It's not till YouTube and Twitter that black men werr able to voice their opinions. Black women have been doing that shit since the 80s

lol

a podium or pulpit isn't a platform

books? editorials? opinion pieces?

 

[playmaker88]

Now i know that black women have been used in this same regard but were men we have to be better than that. Just because black women have habitually disgraced black men on national airwaves don't mean we should.

we have coons, but where did yall get the idea that blk women have publicly bashed/shamed blk men any more than blk men when it comes to shaming blk women

within the blk community no gender has a monopoly on coon behavior and it is counter productive to perpetuate this lie

Nigga u must been under a rock...black men been getting shitted on publicly by black women for the last 30yrs...now that black men have waken up to black womens behavior and speaking on it it's a problem.

my point was blk men are/have been just as guilty ....that is of publicly shitting on blk women....

Just as guilty means "equally" which is not true since black women have had a 30yr head start shitting on black men....

Black men have been voicing their opinions about black women pluclicy only for about he last few years...

It's been movies, books, atrticles etc shitting on black men coming from black women....

Cut that shit out and just be honest.

bruh

since we were freed there has never been a shortage of hoteps and black male intellectuals who have publicly maligned blk women

when prompted to theorize and explain the condition of the black community, their main focus is always on the shortcomings of blk women and/or feminism rather than inequality.....

aligning themselves with the very politicians and white supremacist who seek to oppress them and pigeonhole their sisters, mothers, daughters as little more than welfare queens and baby mommas

nothing the likes of tommy sotomayor or tariq nasheed say is new

Black men did not have a platform to do any of that. It's not till YouTube and Twitter that black men werr able to voice their opinions. Black women have been doing that shit since the 80s

WHAT??

 

[kzzl]

I'm indifferent to Tariq, but I'm curious as to why some of you dudes are so loyal to him. Being the typical "square ass pretentious intellect" (whatever the fuck that means) doesn't make someone the best resource on something. That's true. But not being that doesn't make you a good resource either. In what way has Tariq established himself to have a reputable amount of expertise on things he addresses? That's a serious question too. I'm not shitting on him. I honestly don't know and was curious.

I've no reason to doubt his intentions or commitment to black empowerment. Alot of the historic information he gives is the same shit I've heard prior to learning of him, along with the New stuff I find out. He fucks with all the black scholars my father put me on. Reciting and acknowledging them for others to go learn. He ain't been bout no bullshit, he speaks up for blacks, gives real contributions to black society, and I've yet to hear him steer somebody wrong. And since white supremacist hate him, that also let's me know he's on the right track.

All I see is a black forum full of coon behavior allowing the opinions of other people influence what they think of him and black empowerment in general. There's has been an innate hate for this guy prior to this bullshit thread, y'all didn't need this to start. All I can say is that if you want to give dude a chance, I highly recommend it.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

lol

the narrator of the video clearly suggests for "many blk women slavery was not too bad" because they were pampered benwenches...as if any slave had a choice in the matter ....but i digress

You'd have to purposely ignore the rest of what was actually said in conjunction with that statement in the video to arrive at this conclusion ....beyond that tho ...are you asserting that house slaves shared an experience identical to that of the field slave? And who insinuated any condition placed upon blacks during slavery were of their independent choice?

he then goes on to say for every harriet tubman there are thousand supa heads, carmen bryants

This is a controversial statement ...word?

ultimately his premise being blk progress has been sabotaged by blk women because our loyalty laregly lies with white men

so yea the video was ignorant and highly irresponsible.....little he says in this video is based in fact/reality.... first, he disregards the fact most slave women worked along their male counterparts in the fields ...secondly, there was no mention of the systemic breeding of female slaves ....while sally heming, who was only 14,15 years old at the start of her sexual relationship with jefferson, was not working in the field , she like the other female slaves in her position lived far from a protected existence....and lastly, he disregards the fact blk women were the backbone of the abolitionist and civil rights movement ....

You're interpretation is your interpretation I'm not going to joust with you on that as the task would be rather fruitless IMO ...I will say however at no time in the video is there a disregarding of the fact that all slaves were slaves ...house or otherwise which it seems like your alluding to him attempting to do ...the fact is presenting a nuanced discussion about the specific conditions of different slaves and how those dynamics have impacted modern society isn't inherently ignorant nor irresponsible... you stating that sally hemming was far from living a protected life doesn't =\= she lived under the same specific conditions of a field slave which again is his point and as I said before you've had many other individuals talk about this without a contrived firestorm surrounding that statement ...but now it's controversial lol

that said, the fact that he does preface his thesis, which is a sweeping geenralization, by admiting he is making a sweeping generalization makes his supporters look even more foolish

the very definition of a sweeping generalization is a statement which speaks in general terms without any reservation, so that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny

He preferences his point by saying he doesn't intend to claim all black women will snitch on black men because they are aligned with a white man and I think that was what he was trying to get across ultimately ...in fact he later once again reinforced that he understands that all relationships between white men and black women don't have this power structure ...but if you want to get into a semantical debate over the fact that he shouldn't have said anything about speaking in sweeping generalizations as that could be seen as contradictory to what he just uttered prior that's fine but I understood what he was trying to get across ...probably not executed as exquisitely as he could have done most certainly

not to mention he has a long history of vilifying and sterotyping blk women

Mehhhh not fact ...he's vilified individuals that he feels are counterproductive to the collective community as a lot of us do ..when people like yourself extrapolate out your own personal biased characterization from the actual reality of what he does its rather corny TBH ... it would be akin to me saying you have a long history of vilifying men because of your adherence to feminist ideology ....black women aren't monolithic correct? Isn't this what you sunscribe to ..so then how would it be genuine to insinuate he has a history of stereotyping all black women when he makes clear distinctions on exactly who he's talking about when being critical of their behavior

Other than that it's good to hear from you again chocolate drop ...mmm mmm mmm

 

[The Lonious Monk]

What a pathetic straw man

My nigga, don't do it to yourself because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. In your statement, you basically implied that we should just take everything presented as fact because he had PhDs commenting. My statement might have been snarky, but it wasn't a strawman as I addressed your claim directly. However, if you want to throw out fallacies, then your argument could be seen as an appeal to authority and I used the Umar Johnson quote as an example because his credentials have nothing to do with the subject matter he was discussing in that case. But you know, I just provided a counterexample to your statement and didn't get caught up in calling out fallacies so as not to come of as, what was your word...pretentious.

Secondly you've already established and admitted to not having a foundation to speak intelligently on the work from Tariq or the people associated with his work so to take the position that anyone is claiming what you're stating in the quote above is not only blatantly disingenuous it's also a sign that you're the type of time wasting negro detrimental to any kind of productive conversation .....goodspeed nigga

Your arguments make no sense. Nowhere did I say I didn't know anything about Tariq, Umar Johnson, Rashidi, or any of the other people in the documentary. I said I watched half of Hidden Colors and didn't care for the presentation of the information. You say I'm wasting time, but what kind of productive conversation could anyone have with you? You don't even take the time to actually read and understand what others are saying. And then you when you do respond, you're responses consist of bad arguments against claims that really weren't made to begin with.

Man some of the niggas on this site are amazingly bitchmade. It's amazing. I mean did that nigga mack you and take your virginity or what. All I said was I didn't really care for the lack of sourcing and backing of information in Hidden Colors. That's it. I didn't disparage that dude, his work, or any of the others involved. And niggas like you come in here taking offense, making all kinds of bad arguments, and generally speaking unreasonably in the way ya'll claim females do. I don't get it. If we men are supposed to be the ones that discuss and act on reason and logic, you niggas make us look bad on a daily basis on here.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Now i know that black women have been used in this same regard but were men we have to be better than that. Just because black women have habitually disgraced black men on national airwaves don't mean we should.

we have coons, but where did yall get the idea that blk women have publicly bashed/shamed blk men any more than blk men when it comes to shaming blk women

within the blk community no gender has a monopoly on coon behavior and it is counter productive to perpetuate this lie

I don't know which gender and shit on the other more. I do know that black women supported two separate ABC specials basically bashing black men. I'm not going to say that's trumped everything that black men have done, but it was pretty bad and I don't recall black men doing anything like that.

 

[jetlifebih]

@Trillfate we need your connects....

Get Tariq nasheed on the line to clarify his statement or sentiments regarding the condition of black women during slavery

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Rashidi is in Tariq's Hidden Colors series and I believe that he was strictly speaking to slave revolts in American history ....it would be interesting to hear him define what he considered a successful slave revolt however ...I can only assume that he meant success in the sense of liberating Black Americans in the regions were the revolts took place im honestly not 100 percent sure

yes he was and you remember him. like I said I hope Tariq leads you to find real historians like Rashidi. don't let hidden colors be the only time u watch a video with dude in it. he has a lot out there. you can start with Introduction To The Study Of African Classical Civilizations

introducing black intellectuals like rashidi to the masses was a primary reason the series was produced ....it says something that these individuals align themselves with Tariq but it's the Internet forum trolls that begrudge him ....yikes

Most historians are easily accessible to the public. They are professors on college campuses across the country. They don't have security outside their door. If you live in LA getting to Rashidi is nothing. don't think that because u see him working with someone that he co-signs them or agrees with them. as a historian its his job to do all he can to get info out there.

don't get mad at folks if they don't view Tariq as a scholar or educator. They have a right to question the information he is putting out there. if it is fact then it should be easily backed up. Tariq is not putting anything new out there. he is not doing any knew research or coming to any new conclusions. he just repeating stuff but he has an audience.

my guy stop ....

anyone with a modicum of integrity isn't going to align themselves with a person they fundemenatally are at odds with ....the lengths some of you niggas go to be anti is amusing ....it's ok to admit that Tariq did something positive and impactful by presenting this "old information" from these "already well know intellectuals" to the masses without the corny caveats or contrived dismissals

 

[semi-auto-mato]

Not one mention of Harriet Tubman. Slavery couldn't have been that great.

Think

Logically

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

My nigga, don't do it to yourself because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. In your statement, you basically implied that we should just take everything presented as fact because he had PhDs commenting. My statement might have been snarky, but it wasn't a strawman as I addressed your claim directly. However, if you want to throw out fallacies, then your argument could be seen as an appeal to authority and I used the Umar Johnson quote as an example because his credentials have nothing to do with the subject matter he was discussing in that case. But you know, I just provided a counterexample to your statement and didn't get caught up in calling out fallacies so as not to come of as, what was your word...pretentious.

Your arguments make no sense. Nowhere did I say I didn't know anything about Tariq, Umar Johnson, Rashidi, or any of the other people in the documentary. I said I watched half of Hidden Colors and didn't care for the presentation of the information. You say I'm wasting time, but what kind of productive conversation could anyone have with you? You don't even take the time to actually read and understand what others are saying. And then you when you do respond, you're responses consist of bad arguments against claims that really weren't made to begin with.

Man some of the niggas on this site are amazingly bitchmade. It's amazing. I mean did that nigga mack you and take your virginity or what. All I said was I didn't really care for the lack of sourcing and backing of information in Hidden Colors. That's it. I didn't disparage that dude, his work, or any of the others involved. And niggas like you come in here taking offense, making all kinds of bad arguments, and generally speaking unreasonably in the way ya'll claim females do. I don't get it. If we men are supposed to be the ones that discuss and act on reason and logic, you niggas make us look bad on a daily basis on here.

Save The Time Wasting For The Next One ....I've Already Adressed You

 

[Shizlansky]

black dudes shitting on black women inthis thread right now

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I'm indifferent to Tariq, but I'm curious as to why some of you dudes are so loyal to him. Being the typical "square ass pretentious intellect" (whatever the fuck that means) doesn't make someone the best resource on something. That's true. But not being that doesn't make you a good resource either. In what way has Tariq established himself to have a reputable amount of expertise on things he addresses? That's a serious question too. I'm not shitting on him. I honestly don't know and was curious.

I've no reason to doubt his intentions or commitment to black empowerment. Alot of the historic information he gives is the same shit I've heard prior to learning of him, along with the New stuff I find out. He fucks with all the black scholars my father put me on. Reciting and acknowledging them for others to go learn. He ain't been bout no bullshit, he speaks up for blacks, gives real contributions to black society, and I've yet to hear him steer somebody wrong. And since white supremacist hate him, that also let's me know he's on the right track.

All I see is a black forum full of coon behavior allowing the opinions of other people influence what they think of him and black empowerment in general. There's has been an innate hate for this guy prior to this bullshit thread, y'all didn't need this to start. All I can say is that if you want to give dude a chance, I highly recommend it.

I didn't know people hated him. That's news to me. I've listened to some of his stuff and I'd agree with what you say. It does seem he's sincere with his intentions and it does seem like he acts mostly as a mouthpiece for the words of others, which isn't in itself a bad thing considering he probably gives those people their due credit. So I'm not knocking and don't have problems with him. I just don't understand why some people on here are taking any criticism so personal. You can respect what someone is doing without thinking they are irrefutable or infallible.