Tariq Nasheed: Slavery Wasn't That Bad For Black Women

[blacktux]

We are truly lost and hopeless if we are going after brothers and sisters that are TRYING to teach. Even if its not 100% true if it even provokes you to look into it, its done its job.

There is too many more black people to criticize or condemn, yall doing the oppressor job for them.

Just like you negroes that have bad things to say about Castro, yall sick.

Just take care of and promote you and yours. This whole "black community/black empowerment shit is DEAD!!" Black love is forever.

But what if it's leading people down a faulty road? I'll give an example telling black people not to vote. That could be considered doing the work of the "oppressor". They want to neutralize that vote so they can forward their agenda. They say black people dont vote because these people do nothing for you while they obstruct everything they attempt to do and that statement isnt completely accurate any way when you really think about it. Then they sure vote themselves and laugh how easy that was.

Thats where discernment comes in. If someone says something questionable it should be considered as such. If they say something objectionable or untrue then likewise it should be considered as such Instead of "they are doing something" what are they doing and who does it really benefit?

Peace brother.

If one is to ignore context, then the call to "not vote" might seen detrimental. The brother wasnt the only so called "conscious" person making that call, many respected members of the community stood firm in it.

If anything those that didnt know, know now that the popular vote is not the determining factor.

I follow the brother, and though i dont agree with everything; i cant put my hand on something considered "leading down a faulty road"

 

[desertrain10]

@JDSTAYWITIT

Hey bew

Ok really what he doing is pushing the tired narrative that Blk women are/were more likely to allign themselves with white men/white supremacy than Blk men. Mainly because Blk women have not had it as bad as Blk men

Everyone is free to have an opinion, cool. I just question how he arrived at that conclusion since most historical record does not support his thesis.

Yes, the experiences of a house slave were different than those of a field slave...same as the experiences/plight of Blk men and women differ...but to suggest Blk women haven't had it "too bad" is different...and again historically inaccurate

You're basing your critique on a bit of a straw man .... it appears YOUR personal non impartial summation of what he is saying is that all black women will align with white men because of xyz...

Lol

I'm not denying the existence of coons. Or even denying that the legacy of slavery or jim crow cannot be seen today. And yes, there were slaves who sabotaged uprisings. That would be disingenuous to make the claim there were not

That said, dude is clearly trying to push the old, tired narrative Blk women are more likely than Blk men to allign themselves with agents of white supremacy considering "many" of them never had it "too, too bad". Insinuating many of us (Blk women) suffer from sort of Stockholm syndrome, are more interested in self perservation

When he makes the point to say "some" Blk men were out snitching to master, while condeming "many" Blk women of the same charge makes it even more obvious

Especially when he invokes slavery and the likes of Sally heming

And just because he noted that he was not referring to all blk women doesnt make it better. Obviously he believes or wants the audience to believe these women make up a very large segment of Blk women.... and continue to be a big problem within the Blk community....otherwise why dedicate his time and energy maligning this segment of Blk women...or why cite the 1 to 1000 ratio of Harriet Tubman to Carmen Bryants of the world

Like I was saying it's irresponsible, especially since his thesis is largely based on stereotypes and ancedotal evidence

Maybe the actions of Bryant or Supa is some result of internalized racism or past trauma. But I really don't see the connection. To me they are opportunist looking to make a dollar. Products of American consumerism more than anything. Think when he was no longer any use to her, Supa head was quick to air out Bill Mahrs dirty laundry

The reference Anita Hill was I felt was out of bounds as well. Was she suppose to have swallowed her tongue simply because he was a Blk man ???? Or if he is convinced she lied, why??? Not to mention there is a case to be made Thomas's time on the SC have done more to set Blk ppl back than the actions of Bryant And Steffan combined

He is free to have his opinion, but I'd like to think I've provided proper evidence to assert that its garbage ...and i'd also add divisive

Yes he has gone on record maligning Blk men but the majority of content I've seen from dude is focusing on the shortcomings of different "segments" of Blk women

Feel free to prove me wrong... post videos or whatever

Oh and the absence of men from a large number of black households does not mean there is an absence of patriarchal thinking, but I digress

Lastly, to clarify a comment I made, I believe maybe 95 ish percent the criticisms thrown at dude in this thread have been well deserved. My bad

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

We are truly lost and hopeless if we are going after brothers and sisters that are TRYING to teach. Even if its not 100% true if it even provokes you to look into it, its done its job.

There is too many more black people to criticize or condemn, yall doing the oppressor job for them.

Just like you negroes that have bad things to say about Castro, yall sick.

Just take care of and promote you and yours. This whole "black community/black empowerment shit is DEAD!!" Black love is forever.

But what if it's leading people down a faulty road? I'll give an example telling black people not to vote. That could be considered doing the work of the "oppressor". They want to neutralize that vote so they can forward their agenda. They say black people dont vote because these people do nothing for you while they obstruct everything they attempt to do and that statement isnt completely accurate any way when you really think about it. Then they sure vote themselves and laugh how easy that was.

Thats where discernment comes in. If someone says something questionable it should be considered as such. If they say something objectionable or untrue then likewise it should be considered as such Instead of "they are doing something" what are they doing and who does it really benefit?

Peace brother.

If one is to ignore context, then the call to "not vote" might seen detrimental. The brother wasnt the only so called "conscious" person making that call, many respected members of the community stood firm in it.

If anything those that didnt know, know now that the popular vote is not the determining factor.

I follow the brother, and though i dont agree with everything; i cant put my hand on something considered "leading down a faulty road"

Just for clarity

A. Disagreeing on a tactic doesn't =/= being lead down a faulty road ...lol ..wtf ...this is clearly some hyperbolic shit... and its not like voting has brought resolution to the overarching struggles in our community to begin with..so....

B. Additionally ...to say he's simply telling people not to vote is kind of a half truth ... that is more of a catch phrase ... or the preface ... the full statement whenever he talks about it always is "Don't vote............. unless you have a collective agenda and money to present to a national candidate" because unfortunately that's what moves the wheels of our political system ..and i see the logic in some of that ...especially when looking at how other minority groups strategically leveraged President Obama to advocate particular initiatives for their causes ... i dont see a problem with utilizing your vote and electoral power as an asset that the collective needs to be compensated for just as exchanging any other valuable item would... i dont think its wise to blindly put your faith in a politician hoping that they will come to the aid of the black community ...again these ideals are sound strategically .. where i break from him is in the fact that i believe there is some real value in voting locally ...for your city council members your school board members your police chiefs etc etc ...and to me he doesn't make it clear enough about the distinction between the two

 

[blacktux]

Respect^^

 

[Peace_79]

I will never Understand how someone can say:

"Voting LOCALLY matters, and the policies of local politicians affect me."

And in the next breath say:

"Voting NATIONALLY does NOT matter and the generational policies of the President and the federal government DO NOT affect me."

"But federal politicians are corrupt!!!"

So now local politicians aren't corrupt???

SMH. Niggas out here defeating their own arguments

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

I will never Understand how someone can say:

"Voting LOCALLY matters, and the policies of local politicians affect me."

And in the next breath say:

"Voting NATIONALLY does NOT matter and the generational policies of the President and the federal government DO NOT affect me."

"But federal politicians are corrupt!!!"

So now local politicians aren't corrupt???

SMH. Niggas out here defeating their own arguments

You should start with learning with a proposition is....then proceed from there

Godspeed to you bruhtha

 

[5th Letter]

We are truly lost and hopeless if we are going after brothers and sisters that are TRYING to teach. Even if its not 100% true if it even provokes you to look into it, its done its job.

There is too many more black people to criticize or condemn, yall doing the oppressor job for them.

Just like you negroes that have bad things to say about Castro, yall sick.

Just take care of and promote you and yours. This whole "black community/black empowerment shit is DEAD!!" Black love is forever.

But what if it's leading people down a faulty road? I'll give an example telling black people not to vote. That could be considered doing the work of the "oppressor". They want to neutralize that vote so they can forward their agenda. They say black people dont vote because these people do nothing for you while they obstruct everything they attempt to do and that statement isnt completely accurate any way when you really think about it. Then they sure vote themselves and laugh how easy that was.

Thats where discernment comes in. If someone says something questionable it should be considered as such. If they say something objectionable or untrue then likewise it should be considered as such Instead of "they are doing something" what are they doing and who does it really benefit?

Peace brother.

If one is to ignore context, then the call to "not vote" might seen detrimental. The brother wasnt the only so called "conscious" person making that call, many respected members of the community stood firm in it.

If anything those that didnt know, know now that the popular vote is not the determining factor.

I follow the brother, and though i dont agree with everything; i cant put my hand on something considered "leading down a faulty road"

Just for clarity

A. Disagreeing on a tactic doesn't =/= being lead down a faulty road ...lol ..wtf ...this is clearly some hyperbolic shit... and its not like voting has brought resolution to the overarching struggles in our community to begin with..so....

B. Additionally ...to say he's simply telling people not to vote is kind of a half truth ... that is more of a catch phrase ... or the preface ... the full statement whenever he talks about it always is "Don't vote............. unless you have a collective agenda and money to present to a national candidate" because unfortunately that's what moves the wheels of our political system ..and i see the logic in some of that ...especially when looking at how other minority groups strategically leveraged President Obama to advocate particular initiatives for their causes ... i dont see a problem with utilizing your vote and electoral power as an asset that the collective needs to be compensated for just as exchanging any other valuable item would... i dont think its wise to blindly put your faith in a politician hoping that they will come to the aid of the black community ...again these ideals are sound strategically .. where i break from him is in the fact that i believe there is some real value in voting locally ...for your city council members your school board members your police chiefs etc etc ...and to me he doesn't make it clear enough about the distinction between the two

He does advocate voting locally

 

[Peace_79]

I will never Understand how someone can say:

"Voting LOCALLY matters, and the policies of local politicians affect me."

And in the next breath say:

"Voting NATIONALLY does NOT matter and the generational policies of the President and the federal government DO NOT affect me."

"But federal politicians are corrupt!!!"

So now local politicians aren't corrupt???

SMH. Niggas out here defeating their own arguments

You should start with learning with a proposition is....then proceed from there

Godspeed to you bruhtha

"I should start with learning with a preposition is."

Thank God I am able to learn under such a master of English grammar and syntax.

Godspeed to you as well ... brutha

 

[blackrain]

I hate this gender war shit. Everyone got it bad. I'm tired of women acting like they got it worse. I'm tired of men down playing the suffering of women. I'm tired of women complaining about the movement's focus of men's suffering when these issues disproportionately affect men historically. I'm tired of men not assisting women in the formation of their own organizations. I'm tired of women thinking that the needs of men can always wait. I'm tired of men think the same of women.

The battle of who has it worse happens between every group you identify as. When you break it down to each group you identify as it's alot of back and forth about bullshit. If it's not race it's gender. If it's not gender it's class. The crazy thing is the battle some people engage in to argue who has it worse. Like some people take a weird pride in that

 

[blackrain]

I have too many family members and friends who i am actually able to converse with now outside of "hows work" and "how is 'x' doing".

What provoked them into digging deeper was the hidden colors series.

Just off that alone im not going to have negative things to say about the brother.

Some of yall just cant stand to see a brother getting praise. Yall sick.

It's good he did something to spark the minds and interest of people to dig further into a subject. That doesn't mean he's forever beyond any criticism.

 

[Inglewood_B]

Willie Lynch game is strong AF

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

I will never Understand how someone can say:

"Voting LOCALLY matters, and the policies of local politicians affect me."

And in the next breath say:

"Voting NATIONALLY does NOT matter and the generational policies of the President and the federal government DO NOT affect me."

"But federal politicians are corrupt!!!"

So now local politicians aren't corrupt???

SMH. Niggas out here defeating their own arguments

You should start with learning with a proposition is....then proceed from there

Godspeed to you bruhtha

"I should start with learning with a preposition is."

Thank God I am able to learn under such a master of English grammar and syntax.

Godspeed to you as well ... brutha

At least you're good at something

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

We are truly lost and hopeless if we are going after brothers and sisters that are TRYING to teach. Even if its not 100% true if it even provokes you to look into it, its done its job.

There is too many more black people to criticize or condemn, yall doing the oppressor job for them.

Just like you negroes that have bad things to say about Castro, yall sick.

Just take care of and promote you and yours. This whole "black community/black empowerment shit is DEAD!!" Black love is forever.

But what if it's leading people down a faulty road? I'll give an example telling black people not to vote. That could be considered doing the work of the "oppressor". They want to neutralize that vote so they can forward their agenda. They say black people dont vote because these people do nothing for you while they obstruct everything they attempt to do and that statement isnt completely accurate any way when you really think about it. Then they sure vote themselves and laugh how easy that was.

Thats where discernment comes in. If someone says something questionable it should be considered as such. If they say something objectionable or untrue then likewise it should be considered as such Instead of "they are doing something" what are they doing and who does it really benefit?

Peace brother.

If one is to ignore context, then the call to "not vote" might seen detrimental. The brother wasnt the only so called "conscious" person making that call, many respected members of the community stood firm in it.

If anything those that didnt know, know now that the popular vote is not the determining factor.

I follow the brother, and though i dont agree with everything; i cant put my hand on something considered "leading down a faulty road"

Just for clarity

A. Disagreeing on a tactic doesn't =/= being lead down a faulty road ...lol ..wtf ...this is clearly some hyperbolic shit... and its not like voting has brought resolution to the overarching struggles in our community to begin with..so....

B. Additionally ...to say he's simply telling people not to vote is kind of a half truth ... that is more of a catch phrase ... or the preface ... the full statement whenever he talks about it always is "Don't vote............. unless you have a collective agenda and money to present to a national candidate" because unfortunately that's what moves the wheels of our political system ..and i see the logic in some of that ...especially when looking at how other minority groups strategically leveraged President Obama to advocate particular initiatives for their causes ... i dont see a problem with utilizing your vote and electoral power as an asset that the collective needs to be compensated for just as exchanging any other valuable item would... i dont think its wise to blindly put your faith in a politician hoping that they will come to the aid of the black community ...again these ideals are sound strategically .. where i break from him is in the fact that i believe there is some real value in voting locally ...for your city council members your school board members your police chiefs etc etc ...and to me he doesn't make it clear enough about the distinction between the two

He does advocate voting locally

I know bro .... it's nuanced ...I just can see how people could potentially miss the substance for the headline you feel me

 

[blackrain]

Willie Lynch game is strong AF

Niggas still think Willie Lynch was real?

 

[Maximus Rex]

Niggas @"Maximus Rex" and niggas like you are bitch ass niggas and no black Women should want be with your coon asses

He's one of those types that downplays black womens' struggles, eh? Not surprising...

What struggles are those? The ability to lie about getting raped with impunity? In addition to not only taking a man's freedom, but ruining a man's reputation on a mere allegation. How about being able to get a muthafuckas shit simply for being married to him? Or the struggle of being awarded custody of children 80% of the time. Of course there's the ardous task of unilaterally deciding upon whether or not to end a pregnancy. The only thing a bitch has to struggle with is her gag relax.

This chunky Fred from Scooby Doo looking ass mf really hates women huh? Your pudgy ass Ascot wearing, fruity in the booty, gay swishing ass really got a chip on your shoulder huh?

Some of you he man woman haters club ass niggas sound like y'all wish you were women with the hate and envy you spew. I'm sorry your mother was a despicable cunt that taught you how attract only despicable cunts to you, don't put that on all women

Oh another reason women might be playing you is cuz you look gayer and softer than a bunch of rainbow toilet paper, so the only hoes fucking with you are the opportunistic type. You are the essence of making pussies dry and shrivel up

The nerve of you ugly ass mfs to hold such opinions like women are beating your door down to be with you, nigga please

I was going to go H.A.M. on this simpin' ass muthafucka and this idiotic simpleton bitch whose only contributions to the world is a pretty face and big titties, but why waste my precious time logically and methodically breaking down an intellectual retard and emotionally driven nut stained cunt when she proved on her on that women don't use sense that God gave them. Besides, Socrates say it best when he said this during his trial for for impiety and corrupting the youth of Athens when he was sentenced to death. My plainess of speech is why they hate me, but what is their hatred but proof that I am telling the truth.

 

[Peace_79]

I will never Understand how someone can say:

"Voting LOCALLY matters, and the policies of local politicians affect me."

And in the next breath say:

"Voting NATIONALLY does NOT matter and the generational policies of the President and the federal government DO NOT affect me."

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

This nigga is serious too

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Lol

I'm not denying the existence of coons. Or even denying that the legacy of slavery or jim crow cannot be seen today. And yes, there were slaves who sabotaged uprisings. That would be disingenuous to make the claim there were not

stop stop stop stop stop .... so you are now in agreeance with his actual fundamental point ..but you're going to give me a post full of caveats and reinterpretations of his point that allow you to more aptly draw ire from his statements ....

im just wanting you to know that this is what it appears that you are doing before i even respond to the rest..

That said, dude is clearly trying to push the old, tired narrative Blk women are more likely than Blk men to allign themselves with agents of white supremacy considering "many" of them never had it "too, too bad". Insinuating many of us (Blk women) suffer from sort of Stockholm syndrome, are more interested in self perservation

When he makes the point to say "some" Blk men were out snitching to master, while condemning "many" Blk women of the same charge makes it even more obvious

In this particular episode of his show he says some black men vs many black women true .. however the show was centered around discussing particular black women and i honestly think he only included the part on black men in an attempt to acknowledge the historical fact that both genders have at times unfortunately contributed negatively to the collective ... i think its highly manipulative to take his attempt at balance and represent it as proof that he is being overly critical of black women based on your parsing of the words "some" vs "many" i think that's nitpicking and contrived ... i think you are trying to force your narrative into a space where the reality is not the same...

to further expand on this point i'd refer you to the multiple shows he has done on black men historically doing things that are counterproductive and flat out dangerous to the community ... shows such as

"New Age Buck Dancing" - centered strictly on black men appeasing white authority for personal gain..

"Dusty Niggas" - centered strictly on the categories of black men degrading the community by perpetuating stereotypical behavior ad nauseam

"Gay Coons" - centered strictly on gay black males that allow themselves to be publicly exploited by the dominant society particularly in media as over the top and buffoonish for personal gain

"Black captains saving white women" - talking about the addiction that some negros have in disregarding all integrity to come to the aide of white women in times of crisis a conversation sparked by gwyneth paltrow was using "niggas in paris" on twitter and black males falling over to cape for her

"Comfortable Niggas" - centered around black men being content with their overall state of being in this country

"Pet Niggas" - talking about black men becoming docile puppets to the dominant society

all old shit from his radio show series found onhttp://macklessonsradio.com/

He's BEEN going in on black men ... from all angles ... so when i read a disingenuously woven critique from black feminist such as your lovely self based solely on anecdotal evidence and often times heavy conjecture its just difficult to even recognize any legitimacy to the claims bottom line... when i know the contextual reality of of his message based on the countless amount of actual content he drops it makes it silly to read one of these critiques that are probably based on second hand disingenuous information such as the click bait title TS ran with or the edited video in the OP ... to me this is where you are getting your information on him from and its a sullied source

And just because he noted that he was not referring to all blk women doesnt make it better. Obviously he believes or wants the audience to believe these women make up a very large segment of Blk women.... and continue to be a big problem within the Blk community....otherwise why dedicate his time and energy maligning this segment of Blk women...or why cite the 1 to 1000 ratio of Harriet Tubman to Carmen Bryants of the world

babe ... the man has over 500+ episodes of his show ... you THINK that he spends an inordinate amount of time raking black women over the coals because when you are on lipstick ally slander pieces like this are the only bits of his platform that is presented to you ... but the REALITY is the overwhelming majority of his content has nothing to do with that in any regard so no i cant say it was irresponsible for him to have made this statements at all given the full context of his work

Maybe the actions of Bryant or Supa is some result of internalized racism or past trauma. But I really don't see the connection. To me they are opportunist looking to make a dollar. Products of American consumerism more than anything. Think when he was no longer any use to her, Supa head was quick to air out Bill Mahrs dirty laundry

saying that they were opportunist doesn't contradict Tariq's point however.. you say american consumerism but in this instance they are not the consumer they are the capitalist ..aligning themselves with the white power structure ... so again you're not really disagreeing with what he's saying ...you seem to be forcing yourself to take umbrage with his point for an apparent contrived reason

notice how supahead aint write a book disparaging her white man ex tho......

The reference Anita Hill was I felt was out of bounds as well. Was she suppose to have swallowed her tongue simply because he was a Blk man ???? Or if he is convinced she lied, why??? Not to mention there is a case to be made Thomas's time on the SC have done more to set Blk ppl back than the actions of Bryant And Steffan combined

listen im not about to disagree with you fully here ... in no damn way am i about to defend that coon ass nigga CT ...however i believe his point was that she was simply being used to in effect bring down a black in public by people who really didn't give a damn about her well being ..

i will concede however that this piece of commentary without a full fleshing out can certainly be interpreted negatively and problematic ... he could have took an extra 30 seconds to articulate fully what he intended to mean by the statement

He is free to have his opinion, but I'd like to think I've provided proper evidence to assert that its garbage ...and i'd also add divisive

you have provide some anecdotal points ..certainly nothing conclusive tho .... a lot of the stuff you are talking about has to be weaved together in straw man fashion to actual substantiate your overarching critique

Lastly, to clarify a comment I made, I believe maybe 95 ish percent the criticisms thrown at dude in this thread have been well deserved. My bad

nah you just a hater when it comes to dude ...

but i always appreciate chopping it up with you nonetheless lol