Roland Martin vs. Dr. Umar Johnson

[2stepz_ahead]

Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I feel you, but if you claim to be a leader and you do things that break potential unity that makes you bad for the movement.

Now maybe in his movement he only wants black people that follow the same rules he does. Then he can't say he's for the upliftment of black people like he says. He has to restrict that to being for the upliftment of Pan Africans and other like minded individuals.

how does he break unity?

just curious

 

[2stepz_ahead]

i never saw him saying follow his rules.....he feels how he feels.

that dont mean....hes saying follow me or respect what i respect.

how you get that?

 

[Kwan Dai]

I'm just making notes of this dude on the show, and what jumps out:

First off - You mean to tell me that guys like Harry Bellafonte, Richard Pryor, Quincy Jones, and Sidney Poiter get no respect because they have non-black wives, even though they broke barriers in the entertainment industry while maintaining their black ancestry? FOH, Umar.

2nd - Him calling dude a coon was petty and childish as a muhfuck. "He called me a liar." Stop acting like a bitch, Umar.

Umar does have a point about white folks not doing much to anything at all about the systematic setup of white privilege.

This dude is hit or miss. He makes great points, but he goes full Hotep too many times for my taste.

why does it matter if hes hit or miss if hes in the game trying to win for us?

this is one of my biggest gripes.

US black people dont need singular leaders but we will attack those who take charge when so many others stand back or stand around.

since we are so diverse...we need people in all areas to be as great as they can be. then you take those people create a group that can speak to everyone.

just because 1 person will never be right 100% and we are not a unit...even tho alot of times on this site it is said but then contradicted. but thats another thing.

mlk was 100

malcolm wasnt 100

dick gregory aint 100 hhmph

no one is...can we stop pointing that out

as if coons and white people wont do that already.

an yes, i woulda called dude a coon too.....how you gonna call a grown man a liar when hes respecting you? chicks and bitch niggas do that shit. niggas might say you lying,,,but "liar" is for bitches.

the man already tense for having to answer for his degrees...thats fukked up.

hes tense to defend his point.

all can be understood and he handled himself good..even calling the guy a coon.

none of yall woulda took that shit in that situation all well and good. stop it

It matters when you claim to be an educator and knowledgable about the shit you're talking about. You can't just be spouting off any ol bullshit under the guise of "I'm doing it for us". Just giving a free pass to say anything under that logic is dumb. People need to be checked when they are wrong. That's what actually helps...not just letting everything slide

heres where me and alot of people differ.

i take what i need from anyone to build on and leave the rest if its no use to me.

why use energy to prove what you know is wrong?

do i give him a pass....dont really care either way....but we need to go after everyone with the same energy.

i will attack like i defend....here its not really needed.

do i agree with everything....nope

who does anything without thinking they getting something back?

Because a person in a position of power operating based on false information is a danger to themselves and others.

But I have not seen anyone cite Umar's false information. It's all hyperbole and opinion. Umar has been speaking for years now and for people to keep bringing up the same lame argument about credentials and ancestry is, nothing but a diversionary tactic to not deal with Umar's observations, analysis, solutions, and opinions.

So, for people to keep parroting the same things whenever Umar is mentioned says more about them then Umar.

Its not diversionary because those things are what he uses to seem himself as credible. If the foundation of what hes using is faulty you cant blame people for questioning it

You pulled that out of thin air. When has Umar said, that his credentials validate his ideas, and opinions. I think his message is validation enough. Which, neither you or anyone else has been able to successfully articulate how Umar's message harms Black Folks. But yall keep right on with the trivial diversions.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Ok fuck Umar right now...

I gotta stop this shit before more people try to jump on this.

You may not feel particularly close to any specific country in Africa but for whatever you don't know about Africa, take a good hard look at what you know about the United States of America. What have your people, right here in this country, dealt with since 1776? Slavery, share cropping, Jim crow, rape, murder, church bombings, lynchings, citywide riots, police brutality, intentional systemic oppression in every single industry, field of study, and economic opportunity EVER.

You may not feel all that familiar to Africa but you damn well better wake up and smell the coffee cause this USA shit ain't for you.

Africa is an extremely diverse continent, even more including the islands. What you, as a black person in America, have in common with them is I definitely greater than your differences.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Shit's been bad for blacks in America, so despite being here and conditioned by this culture and history for hundreds of years, we're much closer to cultures that are completely foreign to us? That doesn't make any sense.

And people really need to stop with this revisionist history that Africa was always all good for Africans. It wasn't. Yes, African Americans were slaves in America. Guess what? Africans were slaves in Africa too. That's how a great deal of black people got over here in the first place, African slave owners selling their property to European slave traders. And right now in Africa, you have genocides, religious wars, and tribal beef going on regularly. That's shit that we African Americans know nothing about, so this idea that America is fucked up and we'd all be better off in Africa is ridiculous. Tell that to all the Africans doing everything they can to get the fuck out of Africa every year.

Now don't get me wrong, Europe and America are, in large part, to blame for many of Africa's problems too. I'm just saying that African Americans are different than Africans. Our differences aren't as trivial as you're implying, and our shitty experiences in America are a large part of why we are so different from Africans. You can't just dismiss them because you don't like them.

Brothers and sisters who make or are attempting to make the connection with their ancestry in Africa are well aware of it's history. So, making Africa's low points the basis of your whack ass argument is, seeing the glass half full.

The idea with most if not all with connecting with their Ancestry is to highlight the success, and to carry on traditions that will strengthen them today. Which, for every blight you place on Africa there's 10x's more achievements for the greater good, and humanity as a whole.

Again, I have no problem with people connecting to their African roots and I think making that efforts would benefit all African Americans, so apparently you don't even understand my "whack ass argument." I didn't bring up the low points in Africa to shit on Africa. I brought up the low points to show that blacks face challenges everywhere, and it's invalid to claim that African Americans have some closeness to modern Africans solely because we've had it rough in America. Again, the challenges we've faced in America have shaped us into what we are now for better or worse and have separated us culturally from modern Africans who have had to deal with their own completely separate and different challenges.

Stop lying. You then took it a step further and typed. "That's shit that we African Americans know nothing about". Who's we? You? Stop trying to belittle people that seek out something other then your idea of Blacks integrating into as you put it. "The American Process"

There's things going down in some of these countries in Africa that black Americans have no clue about and would have their minds blown to actually delve into. Don't act like the average black American is up here reading up on child soldiers...massive rapes...wars and the poverty affecting different countries in Africa outside of a twittwr hashtag about bringing our girls back.

The Average Black American can't name two people from the Black Panther Party of the 60's and 70's. Umar is clearly updating those that know and informing those that want to know.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Ok fuck Umar right now...

I gotta stop this shit before more people try to jump on this.

You may not feel particularly close to any specific country in Africa but for whatever you don't know about Africa, take a good hard look at what you know about the United States of America. What have your people, right here in this country, dealt with since 1776? Slavery, share cropping, Jim crow, rape, murder, church bombings, lynchings, citywide riots, police brutality, intentional systemic oppression in every single industry, field of study, and economic opportunity EVER.

You may not feel all that familiar to Africa but you damn well better wake up and smell the coffee cause this USA shit ain't for you.

Africa is an extremely diverse continent, even more including the islands. What you, as a black person in America, have in common with them is I definitely greater than your differences.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Shit's been bad for blacks in America, so despite being here and conditioned by this culture and history for hundreds of years, we're much closer to cultures that are completely foreign to us? That doesn't make any sense.

And people really need to stop with this revisionist history that Africa was always all good for Africans. It wasn't. Yes, African Americans were slaves in America. Guess what? Africans were slaves in Africa too. That's how a great deal of black people got over here in the first place, African slave owners selling their property to European slave traders. And right now in Africa, you have genocides, religious wars, and tribal beef going on regularly. That's shit that we African Americans know nothing about, so this idea that America is fucked up and we'd all be better off in Africa is ridiculous. Tell that to all the Africans doing everything they can to get the fuck out of Africa every year.

Now don't get me wrong, Europe and America are, in large part, to blame for many of Africa's problems too. I'm just saying that African Americans are different than Africans. Our differences aren't as trivial as you're implying, and our shitty experiences in America are a large part of why we are so different from Africans. You can't just dismiss them because you don't like them.

Brothers and sisters who make or are attempting to make the connection with their ancestry in Africa are well aware of it's history. So, making Africa's low points the basis of your whack ass argument is, seeing the glass half full.

The idea with most if not all with connecting with their Ancestry is to highlight the success, and to carry on traditions that will strengthen them today. Which, for every blight you place on Africa there's 10x's more achievements for the greater good, and humanity as a whole.

Again, I have no problem with people connecting to their African roots and I think making that efforts would benefit all African Americans, so apparently you don't even understand my "whack ass argument." I didn't bring up the low points in Africa to shit on Africa. I brought up the low points to show that blacks face challenges everywhere, and it's invalid to claim that African Americans have some closeness to modern Africans solely because we've had it rough in America. Again, the challenges we've faced in America have shaped us into what we are now for better or worse and have separated us culturally from modern Africans who have had to deal with their own completely separate and different challenges.

Stop lying. You then took it a step further and typed. "That's shit that we African Americans know nothing about". Who's we? You? Stop trying to belittle people that seek out something other then your idea of Blacks integrating into as you put it. "The American Process"

There's things going down in some of these countries in Africa that black Americans have no clue about and would have their minds blown to actually delve into. Don't act like the average black American is up here reading up on child soldiers...massive rapes...wars and the poverty affecting different countries in Africa outside of a twittwr hashtag about bringing our girls back.

and here you are wrong...i actually do.

oftens times i say....niggas dont understand poor....because of such and such....its met with you aint black enough or forgot. but its never about...maybe you are less off then what america say you should have but you aint seens poor poor poverty poor. but then it goes into other shit.

and it happens right in our backyards. ask a haitian who still goes back to haiti...

i think i was one of the few who knew about the mass deaths of the africans coming across the Mediterranean to Europe. on more than a one occasion basis. but i guess im not the average american either.

not sure of the reason for your post

 

[5th Letter]

Same niggas that catch feelings when you bring up Hillary's shady past are in here talking about but but but Umar iz liein1!1 you cannot make this up.

 

[playmaker88]

yall shouldnt fan people.. leave the fandom to sports

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I feel you, but if you claim to be a leader and you do things that break potential unity that makes you bad for the movement.

Now maybe in his movement he only wants black people that follow the same rules he does. Then he can't say he's for the upliftment of black people like he says. He has to restrict that to being for the upliftment of Pan Africans and other like minded individuals.

how does he break unity?

just curious

He flat out says that people who make certain personal associations outside of the community (e.g. interracial marriages) are not respectable (at least in his eyes) and their efforts don't really amount to much. So that's a segment of the community that he probably won't work with and probably won't work with him. He says that he doesn't hold anything against the product of certain relationships, so he'll work with mixed people. But how many mixed people will work with him knowing his feelings toward their parents? It's unnecessary dissension.

 

[Olorun22]

Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I feel you, but if you claim to be a leader and you do things that break potential unity that makes you bad for the movement.

Now maybe in his movement he only wants black people that follow the same rules he does. Then he can't say he's for the upliftment of black people like he says. He has to restrict that to being for the upliftment of Pan Africans and other like minded individuals.

how does he break unity?

just curious

He flat out says that people who make certain personal associations outside of the community (e.g. interracial marriages) are not respectable (at least in his eyes) and their efforts don't really amount to much. So that's a segment of the community that he probably won't work with and probably won't work with him. He says that he doesn't hold anything against the product of certain relationships, so he'll work with mixed people. But how many mixed people will work with him knowing his feelings toward their parents? It's unnecessary dissension.

People who date outside the race do look funny to black folks. We don't need that type of imagery in the community to repair it. We already have colorism issues in the community and lightskin folks are a product of race mixing. You have been bring up this that is not need in the community and doesn't fix it at all.

To be quite frank we don't need mixed people at all for help and mixed people are rejected by white people because 1. they don't look like them 2. power is exclusive. So, what they feel about working with a group of black people who doesn't fuck with their parents isn't our problem.

 

[Olorun22]

yall shouldnt fan people.. leave the fandom to sports

True but what has umar said that need to be taken out?

 

[7figz]

Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I feel you, but if you claim to be a leader and you do things that break potential unity that makes you bad for the movement.

Now maybe in his movement he only wants black people that follow the same rules he does. Then he can't say he's for the upliftment of black people like he says. He has to restrict that to being for the upliftment of Pan Africans and other like minded individuals.

how does he break unity?

just curious

He flat out says that people who make certain personal associations outside of the community (e.g. interracial marriages) are not respectable (at least in his eyes) and their efforts don't really amount to much. So that's a segment of the community that he probably won't work with and probably won't work with him. He says that he doesn't hold anything against the product of certain relationships, so he'll work with mixed people. But how many mixed people will work with him knowing his feelings toward their parents? It's unnecessary dissension.

What he actually said was "they would have a difficult time getting respect from him" not that they are not respectable. At least quote him correctly.

And, even though I don't 100% share that point of view, I understand the logic. I don't see how his disagreement with interracial marriage should stop people with interracial parents from working with him. If so, then I'd say fuck it - don't work together then. That probably means that similar conflicts of interest would exist - in any situation where you put Black people first.

 

[5th Letter]

I get his point if you're about black empowerment then be about it 100%. Dating interracially in his eyes is a contradiction. I personally don't agree with him on that, but I UNDERSTAND where's he's coming from.

 

[Olorun22]

For those who oppose the idea that black people need to be with black people only I don't respect at all.

You don't see other groups of people saying that shit.

Do you see Chinese, Japanese, White, Mexican, Jews and Arabs arguing about you can be with another race and be include in the discussion? Nope

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I feel you, but if you claim to be a leader and you do things that break potential unity that makes you bad for the movement.

Now maybe in his movement he only wants black people that follow the same rules he does. Then he can't say he's for the upliftment of black people like he says. He has to restrict that to being for the upliftment of Pan Africans and other like minded individuals.

how does he break unity?

just curious

He flat out says that people who make certain personal associations outside of the community (e.g. interracial marriages) are not respectable (at least in his eyes) and their efforts don't really amount to much. So that's a segment of the community that he probably won't work with and probably won't work with him. He says that he doesn't hold anything against the product of certain relationships, so he'll work with mixed people. But how many mixed people will work with him knowing his feelings toward their parents? It's unnecessary dissension.

People who date outside the race do look funny to black folks. We don't need that type of imagery in the community to repair it. We already have colorism issues in the community and lightskin folks are a product of race mixing. You having be bring up this that is not need in the community and doesn't fix it at all.

To be quite frank we don't need mixed people at all for help and mixed people are rejected by white people because 1. they don't look like them 2. power is exclusive. So, what they feel about working with a group of black people who doesn't fuck with their parents isn't our problem.

That line of thinking makes no sense. This isn't the Dominican Republic other Caribbean countries where there is some stratification based on color type and mixed people are their own thing. Mixed people are considered black in America, period. They always have been. And African Americans damn sure claim the accomplishments of mixed people as if they were all black. Niggas wasn't up in DC crying when Obama got elected because we finally got our first mixed president. He's called the first black president. Kapernick didn't take his stance as a mixed person. He did that as a black man. So I don't really get this anti-mixed sentiment that's on this board sometimes, and frankly it seems to be inconsistent as fuck.

I'm also not really sure what you mean by dating outside the race looking funny to black folks. That shit is common as hell nowadays. I don't think that's a good thing by the way, but don't confuse Pan African rhetoric with the general feelings of the black community.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I feel you, but if you claim to be a leader and you do things that break potential unity that makes you bad for the movement.

Now maybe in his movement he only wants black people that follow the same rules he does. Then he can't say he's for the upliftment of black people like he says. He has to restrict that to being for the upliftment of Pan Africans and other like minded individuals.

how does he break unity?

just curious

He flat out says that people who make certain personal associations outside of the community (e.g. interracial marriages) are not respectable (at least in his eyes) and their efforts don't really amount to much. So that's a segment of the community that he probably won't work with and probably won't work with him. He says that he doesn't hold anything against the product of certain relationships, so he'll work with mixed people. But how many mixed people will work with him knowing his feelings toward their parents? It's unnecessary dissension.

ya know....

if black people were easy to build with....we would have already done it.

he is a part of a bigger problem like i said earlier.

brown eyes people look at green eyes a certain way

dark nigga look at light niggas a certain way

africans look at african americans a certain way

african americans look at everyone a certain way.

hood niggas look at suburban niggas a certain way.

but he the one being divisive?

we dont have enough fingers to point at everyone......so this one will be ok for now until the next nigga comes along

 

[2stepz_ahead]

....

 

[7figz]

For those who oppose the idea that black people need to be with black people only I don't respect at all.

You don't see other groups of people saying that shit.

Do you see Chinese, Japanese, White, Mexican, Jews and Arabs arguing about you can be with another race and be include in the discussion? Nope

Honestly I don't know what the fuck those folks think. I don't read their social media or speak their language. It's one of the reasons I find that type of logic unconvincing.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I feel you, but if you claim to be a leader and you do things that break potential unity that makes you bad for the movement.

Now maybe in his movement he only wants black people that follow the same rules he does. Then he can't say he's for the upliftment of black people like he says. He has to restrict that to being for the upliftment of Pan Africans and other like minded individuals.

how does he break unity?

just curious

He flat out says that people who make certain personal associations outside of the community (e.g. interracial marriages) are not respectable (at least in his eyes) and their efforts don't really amount to much. So that's a segment of the community that he probably won't work with and probably won't work with him. He says that he doesn't hold anything against the product of certain relationships, so he'll work with mixed people. But how many mixed people will work with him knowing his feelings toward their parents? It's unnecessary dissension.

No my man. I need that quote not your interpretation. Furthermore, who cares what mixed people want to work with him? Who cares what non-mixed people want to work with Umar? If, Umar's stance on mixed marriage changed today it wouldn't benefit him not one iota. As long as Umar's message benefits Black folks he will receive the same amount of criticism.

You and others should come clean either you are either the product of an interracial relationship, are in one or are looking to creating one. Yall are grinding to hard on this trivial and minute point.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I feel you, but if you claim to be a leader and you do things that break potential unity that makes you bad for the movement.

Now maybe in his movement he only wants black people that follow the same rules he does. Then he can't say he's for the upliftment of black people like he says. He has to restrict that to being for the upliftment of Pan Africans and other like minded individuals.

how does he break unity?

just curious

He flat out says that people who make certain personal associations outside of the community (e.g. interracial marriages) are not respectable (at least in his eyes) and their efforts don't really amount to much. So that's a segment of the community that he probably won't work with and probably won't work with him. He says that he doesn't hold anything against the product of certain relationships, so he'll work with mixed people. But how many mixed people will work with him knowing his feelings toward their parents? It's unnecessary dissension.

People who date outside the race do look funny to black folks. We don't need that type of imagery in the community to repair it. We already have colorism issues in the community and lightskin folks are a product of race mixing. You having be bring up this that is not need in the community and doesn't fix it at all.

To be quite frank we don't need mixed people at all for help and mixed people are rejected by white people because 1. they don't look like them 2. power is exclusive. So, what they feel about working with a group of black people who doesn't fuck with their parents isn't our problem.

That line of thinking makes no sense. This isn't the Dominican Republic other Caribbean countries where there is some stratification based on color type and mixed people are their own thing. Mixed people are considered black in America, period. They always have been. And African Americans damn sure claim the accomplishments of mixed people as if they were all black. Niggas wasn't up in DC crying when Obama got elected because we finally got our first mixed president. He's called the first black president. Kapernick didn't take his stance as a mixed person. He did that as a black man. So I don't really get this anti-mixed sentiment that's on this board sometimes, and frankly it seems to be inconsistent as fuck.

I'm also not really sure what you mean by dating outside the race looking funny to black folks. That shit is common as hell nowadays. I don't think that's a good thing by the way, but don't confuse Pan African rhetoric with the general feelings of the black community.

on this site.....i was fighting about how black Obama was while others was saying he dont really understand the black struggle cause hes not all black and resources and yadda yadda.

i have met lots of mixed people here in europe who are confused as hell about who they are.

not white enough or not black enough.

not hood enough or too urban.

it is very inconsistent here....and i always point it out and people forget real easy cause its not what they want to hear.

nigga like to pick and choose when they have outrage...even if all the same thing.

 

[blackrain]

Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I'm all for allowing people to make mistakes. That's how you learn. What you seem to be against though is calling people out and correcting them for making mistakes. That leads to nowhere but repeating the same mistakes. The message doesn't get lost because someone is imperfect. The message gets lost when that person can't acknowledge or is constantly given a pass for their mistakes and never learning from them. That's what you constantly seem to miss. And no every little thing shouldn't be called out but when someone who not only bills themselves as an educator but also wants to start a school has some funny shit on their own educational resume what sense would it make to just brush over that like its a small thing?