Roland Martin vs. Dr. Umar Johnson

[D. Morgan]

Serious question for the Umar supporters. Do you really think there is a problem with people being skeptical about his plans for the school that haven't come to fruition yet? Granted I get you might have reasons for continued support, but do you really think it's wrong for people to want to grill him on this point?

Just for clarity. I am a supporter of Black Men and Women who take up the mantle of speaking on topics that affect Blacks while offering ideas and solutions on how to repair or strengthen Black communities.

Yes, there is a problem. 1. Most if not none of yall gave a dime. 2. You weren't going to send your child there any damn ways. 3. Yall just popping yall gums because you can.

Yes, for the reasons given above. In addition if, you aint got nothing good to say STFU. Especially as it pertains to Black men and Women that aren't doing harm to the Black community.

So basically you don't believe in accountability? You believe a black man should be able to collect a bunch of money from other blacks for a cause and no one should be able to ask him about it or hold him accountable. How can you say he's not doing harm to the Black community if you're not willing to hold him accountable. People are accusing him of pimping the community by taking money from it with no intentions of following through. I'm not saying he's doing that and I don't know. I personally hope he's successful with this endeavor, but even as a supporter of him in this matter, it doesn't make sense to me to be mad at people who are asking questions relating to his legitimacy. That should be done for all people that are taking money from others, not just Umar.

I dont disagree with this mans message yesterday, today and likely wont tomorrow.

That enough for me to fuck wifh em.

People criticize Polight the same way to this day. I fuck with him too.

I will always love and respect someone that teaches me. I learned a lot watching this brother and the things i didnt learn he at least stirred up my curiosity to go teach myself.

You still fuck with Polight now that he's changed his mindset somewhat?

Any of those people who asking questions but didn't donate need to shut the fuck up. Plain and simple.

You talk like the initial funding is all he'll ever need. Even if he's successful getting the school up, he's going to need outside funding. All schools do. So what's wrong with people holding back on contributing and waiting to see what becomes of it before going all in. What world do you live in where people hear an idea and throw money at it without any evaluation? That's unwise.

Now if you're talking about people who just don't care about the school at all and are bashing for the sake of bashing, then get you. I'm just trying to understand why anyone would have a problem with people trying to assess the validity of claims. To me that seems like a common sense effort that anyone interested in something would do.

I ain't talking like shit. I was very direct with what I said. If you ain't donate then shut the fuck up cause you haven't lost one fucking penny so you should have nothing to say about what that man did or didn't do with SOMEONE else money.

Who ever said anything was wrong with holding back contributions? Post that cause I haven't said it and I haven't seen anybody else in here say that.

Trying to asses something and asking questions in an accusatory tone and manner about what was done with some donation money that you never even donated to makes that person a sucka and a hater.

Most of the people asking questions about that money that has been donated so far are asking in a manner and tone that says they feel Umar has stolen that money. If I was him I wouldn't answer anybody who is questioning me in that manner or hasn't donated.

Fuck I look answering the questions of someone who is accusing me of stealing or someone asking what I've done with some other peoples money. What that man has done with someone else's money ain't your fucking business.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Serious question for the Umar supporters. Do you really think there is a problem with people being skeptical about his plans for the school that haven't come to fruition yet? Granted I get you might have reasons for continued support, but do you really think it's wrong for people to want to grill him on this point?

Just for clarity. I am a supporter of Black Men and Women who take up the mantle of speaking on topics that affect Blacks while offering ideas and solutions on how to repair or strengthen Black communities.

Yes, there is a problem. 1. Most if not none of yall gave a dime. 2. You weren't going to send your child there any damn ways. 3. Yall just popping yall gums because you can.

Yes, for the reasons given above. In addition if, you aint got nothing good to say STFU. Especially as it pertains to Black men and Women that aren't doing harm to the Black community.

So basically you don't believe in accountability? You believe a black man should be able to collect a bunch of money from other blacks for a cause and no one should be able to ask him about it or hold him accountable. How can you say he's not doing harm to the Black community if you're not willing to hold him accountable. People are accusing him of pimping the community by taking money from it with no intentions of following through. I'm not saying he's doing that and I don't know. I personally hope he's successful with this endeavor, but even as a supporter of him in this matter, it doesn't make sense to me to be mad at people who are asking questions relating to his legitimacy. That should be done for all people that are taking money from others, not just Umar.

I dont disagree with this mans message yesterday, today and likely wont tomorrow.

That enough for me to fuck wifh em.

People criticize Polight the same way to this day. I fuck with him too.

I will always love and respect someone that teaches me. I learned a lot watching this brother and the things i didnt learn he at least stirred up my curiosity to go teach myself.

You still fuck with Polight now that he's changed his mindset somewhat?

Any of those people who asking questions but didn't donate need to shut the fuck up. Plain and simple.

You talk like the initial funding is all he'll ever need. Even if he's successful getting the school up, he's going to need outside funding. All schools do. So what's wrong with people holding back on contributing and waiting to see what becomes of it before going all in. What world do you live in where people hear an idea and throw money at it without any evaluation? That's unwise.

Now if you're talking about people who just don't care about the school at all and are bashing for the sake of bashing, then get you. I'm just trying to understand why anyone would have a problem with people trying to assess the validity of claims. To me that seems like a common sense effort that anyone interested in something would do.

I ain't talking like shit. I was very direct with what I said. If you ain't donate then shut the fuck up cause you haven't lost one fucking penny so you should have nothing to say about what that man did or didn't do with SOMEONE else money.

Who ever said anything was wrong with holding back contributions? Post that cause I haven't said it and I haven't seen anybody else in here say that.

Trying to asses something and asking questions in an accusatory tone and manner about what was done with some donation money that you never even donated to makes that person a sucka and a hater.

Most of the people asking questions about that money that has been donated so far are asking in a manner and tone that says they feel Umar has stolen that money. If I was him I wouldn't answer anybody who is questioning me in that manner or hasn't donated.

Fuck I look answering the questions of someone who is accusing me of stealing or someone asking what I've done with some other peoples money. What that man has done with someone else's money ain't your fucking business.

Y'all niggas are hostile as he'll for no reason, but I feel you. I don't agree with because there are valid reasons for you to be a watchdog even if you don't have a personal stake. Still, if niggas are just attacking him and not coming from a productive standpoint then their opinions are invalid.

 

[playmaker88]

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[blacktux]

Serious question for the Umar supporters. Do you really think there is a problem with people being skeptical about his plans for the school that haven't come to fruition yet? Granted I get you might have reasons for continued support, but do you really think it's wrong for people to want to grill him on this point?

Just for clarity. I am a supporter of Black Men and Women who take up the mantle of speaking on topics that affect Blacks while offering ideas and solutions on how to repair or strengthen Black communities.

Yes, there is a problem. 1. Most if not none of yall gave a dime. 2. You weren't going to send your child there any damn ways. 3. Yall just popping yall gums because you can.

Yes, for the reasons given above. In addition if, you aint got nothing good to say STFU. Especially as it pertains to Black men and Women that aren't doing harm to the Black community.

So basically you don't believe in accountability? You believe a black man should be able to collect a bunch of money from other blacks for a cause and no one should be able to ask him about it or hold him accountable. How can you say he's not doing harm to the Black community if you're not willing to hold him accountable. People are accusing him of pimping the community by taking money from it with no intentions of following through. I'm not saying he's doing that and I don't know. I personally hope he's successful with this endeavor, but even as a supporter of him in this matter, it doesn't make sense to me to be mad at people who are asking questions relating to his legitimacy. That should be done for all people that are taking money from others, not just Umar.

Edit: I already know by how I phrased those first questions, you'll have a problem with it, so let me restate. Do you have a problem with people trying to hold him accountable and ensure that he's doing what he says he's doing?

I dont disagree with this mans message yesterday, today and likely wont tomorrow.

That enough for me to fuck wifh em.

People criticize Polight the same way to this day. I fuck with him too.

I will always love and respect someone that teaches me. I learned a lot watching this brother and the things i didnt learn he at least stirred up my curiosity to go teach myself.

You still fuck with Polight now that he's changed his mindset somewhat?

He ditdnt change his mindset, he just isnt spending his money or time like people want him to.

Seems like he's more open to working with people outside of the community. Isn't that a big departure from his previous stance?

Hes open to making money in other communities. But hes still openly racist when he speaks about it on social media.

Sometimes i have to catch myself criticizing these men i once learned from. If they were deeper than me then they are likely deeper now. So i just sit back and watch; continue to learn.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Serious question for the Umar supporters. Do you really think there is a problem with people being skeptical about his plans for the school that haven't come to fruition yet? Granted I get you might have reasons for continued support, but do you really think it's wrong for people to want to grill him on this point?

Just for clarity. I am a supporter of Black Men and Women who take up the mantle of speaking on topics that affect Blacks while offering ideas and solutions on how to repair or strengthen Black communities.

Yes, there is a problem. 1. Most if not none of yall gave a dime. 2. You weren't going to send your child there any damn ways. 3. Yall just popping yall gums because you can.

Yes, for the reasons given above. In addition if, you aint got nothing good to say STFU. Especially as it pertains to Black men and Women that aren't doing harm to the Black community.

So basically you don't believe in accountability? You believe a black man should be able to collect a bunch of money from other blacks for a cause and no one should be able to ask him about it or hold him accountable. How can you say he's not doing harm to the Black community if you're not willing to hold him accountable. People are accusing him of pimping the community by taking money from it with no intentions of following through. I'm not saying he's doing that and I don't know. I personally hope he's successful with this endeavor, but even as a supporter of him in this matter, it doesn't make sense to me to be mad at people who are asking questions relating to his legitimacy. That should be done for all people that are taking money from others, not just Umar.

Edit: I already know by how I phrased those first questions, you'll have a problem with it, so let me restate. Do you have a problem with people trying to hold him accountable and ensure that he's doing what he says he's doing?

I dont disagree with this mans message yesterday, today and likely wont tomorrow.

That enough for me to fuck wifh em.

People criticize Polight the same way to this day. I fuck with him too.

I will always love and respect someone that teaches me. I learned a lot watching this brother and the things i didnt learn he at least stirred up my curiosity to go teach myself.

You still fuck with Polight now that he's changed his mindset somewhat?

He ditdnt change his mindset, he just isnt spending his money or time like people want him to.

Seems like he's more open to working with people outside of the community. Isn't that a big departure from his previous stance?

Hes open to making money in other communities. But hes still openly racist when he speaks about it on social media.

Sometimes i have to catch myself criticizing these men i once learned from. If they were deeper than me then they are likely deeper now. So i just sit back and watch; continue to learn.

Oh OK. Makes sense. I just saw a big from a while ago where he seemed to be flipping, but I think he was beefing with someone and speaking out of emotion.

 

[D. Morgan]

Serious question for the Umar supporters. Do you really think there is a problem with people being skeptical about his plans for the school that haven't come to fruition yet? Granted I get you might have reasons for continued support, but do you really think it's wrong for people to want to grill him on this point?

Just for clarity. I am a supporter of Black Men and Women who take up the mantle of speaking on topics that affect Blacks while offering ideas and solutions on how to repair or strengthen Black communities.

Yes, there is a problem. 1. Most if not none of yall gave a dime. 2. You weren't going to send your child there any damn ways. 3. Yall just popping yall gums because you can.

Yes, for the reasons given above. In addition if, you aint got nothing good to say STFU. Especially as it pertains to Black men and Women that aren't doing harm to the Black community.

So basically you don't believe in accountability? You believe a black man should be able to collect a bunch of money from other blacks for a cause and no one should be able to ask him about it or hold him accountable. How can you say he's not doing harm to the Black community if you're not willing to hold him accountable. People are accusing him of pimping the community by taking money from it with no intentions of following through. I'm not saying he's doing that and I don't know. I personally hope he's successful with this endeavor, but even as a supporter of him in this matter, it doesn't make sense to me to be mad at people who are asking questions relating to his legitimacy. That should be done for all people that are taking money from others, not just Umar.

I dont disagree with this mans message yesterday, today and likely wont tomorrow.

That enough for me to fuck wifh em.

People criticize Polight the same way to this day. I fuck with him too.

I will always love and respect someone that teaches me. I learned a lot watching this brother and the things i didnt learn he at least stirred up my curiosity to go teach myself.

You still fuck with Polight now that he's changed his mindset somewhat?

Any of those people who asking questions but didn't donate need to shut the fuck up. Plain and simple.

You talk like the initial funding is all he'll ever need. Even if he's successful getting the school up, he's going to need outside funding. All schools do. So what's wrong with people holding back on contributing and waiting to see what becomes of it before going all in. What world do you live in where people hear an idea and throw money at it without any evaluation? That's unwise.

Now if you're talking about people who just don't care about the school at all and are bashing for the sake of bashing, then get you. I'm just trying to understand why anyone would have a problem with people trying to assess the validity of claims. To me that seems like a common sense effort that anyone interested in something would do.

I ain't talking like shit. I was very direct with what I said. If you ain't donate then shut the fuck up cause you haven't lost one fucking penny so you should have nothing to say about what that man did or didn't do with SOMEONE else money.

Who ever said anything was wrong with holding back contributions? Post that cause I haven't said it and I haven't seen anybody else in here say that.

Trying to asses something and asking questions in an accusatory tone and manner about what was done with some donation money that you never even donated to makes that person a sucka and a hater.

Most of the people asking questions about that money that has been donated so far are asking in a manner and tone that says they feel Umar has stolen that money. If I was him I wouldn't answer anybody who is questioning me in that manner or hasn't donated.

Fuck I look answering the questions of someone who is accusing me of stealing or someone asking what I've done with some other peoples money. What that man has done with someone else's money ain't your fucking business.

Y'all niggas are hostile as he'll for no reason, but I feel you. I don't agree with because there are valid reasons for you to be a watchdog even if you don't have a personal stake. Still, if niggas are just attacking him and not coming from a productive standpoint then their opinions are invalid.

I just cuss when I talk not hostile, this not personal for me. Only time I actually watch how much I cuss is around little kids, my granny & mother.

I don't have an issue with a person being a watchdog either. It's just that you can see and feel that some of the people questioning him want him to fail at building that school or want to him to have done something fucked up with that money. It just feels like some are dreaming, hoping and wishing for that "I told you he was a fraud" moment. If he is a fraud than let it happen but to push for it and sow those seeds in other folks mind is just wrong IMO.

If a person is digging his idea for the school but uncomfortable with his reaction to some people questions regarding the money and want to hold off on donating. I have absolutely no problem with that. Its a sound move. But I do have a problem with those who haven't donated talking shit and attacking him though.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Serious question for the Umar supporters. Do you really think there is a problem with people being skeptical about his plans for the school that haven't come to fruition yet? Granted I get you might have reasons for continued support, but do you really think it's wrong for people to want to grill him on this point?

Just for clarity. I am a supporter of Black Men and Women who take up the mantle of speaking on topics that affect Blacks while offering ideas and solutions on how to repair or strengthen Black communities.

Yes, there is a problem. 1. Most if not none of yall gave a dime. 2. You weren't going to send your child there any damn ways. 3. Yall just popping yall gums because you can.

Yes, for the reasons given above. In addition if, you aint got nothing good to say STFU. Especially as it pertains to Black men and Women that aren't doing harm to the Black community.

So basically you don't believe in accountability? You believe a black man should be able to collect a bunch of money from other blacks for a cause and no one should be able to ask him about it or hold him accountable. How can you say he's not doing harm to the Black community if you're not willing to hold him accountable. People are accusing him of pimping the community by taking money from it with no intentions of following through. I'm not saying he's doing that and I don't know. I personally hope he's successful with this endeavor, but even as a supporter of him in this matter, it doesn't make sense to me to be mad at people who are asking questions relating to his legitimacy. That should be done for all people that are taking money from others, not just Umar.

I dont disagree with this mans message yesterday, today and likely wont tomorrow.

That enough for me to fuck wifh em.

People criticize Polight the same way to this day. I fuck with him too.

I will always love and respect someone that teaches me. I learned a lot watching this brother and the things i didnt learn he at least stirred up my curiosity to go teach myself.

You still fuck with Polight now that he's changed his mindset somewhat?

Any of those people who asking questions but didn't donate need to shut the fuck up. Plain and simple.

You talk like the initial funding is all he'll ever need. Even if he's successful getting the school up, he's going to need outside funding. All schools do. So what's wrong with people holding back on contributing and waiting to see what becomes of it before going all in. What world do you live in where people hear an idea and throw money at it without any evaluation? That's unwise.

Now if you're talking about people who just don't care about the school at all and are bashing for the sake of bashing, then get you. I'm just trying to understand why anyone would have a problem with people trying to assess the validity of claims. To me that seems like a common sense effort that anyone interested in something would do.

I ain't talking like shit. I was very direct with what I said. If you ain't donate then shut the fuck up cause you haven't lost one fucking penny so you should have nothing to say about what that man did or didn't do with SOMEONE else money.

Who ever said anything was wrong with holding back contributions? Post that cause I haven't said it and I haven't seen anybody else in here say that.

Trying to asses something and asking questions in an accusatory tone and manner about what was done with some donation money that you never even donated to makes that person a sucka and a hater.

Most of the people asking questions about that money that has been donated so far are asking in a manner and tone that says they feel Umar has stolen that money. If I was him I wouldn't answer anybody who is questioning me in that manner or hasn't donated.

Fuck I look answering the questions of someone who is accusing me of stealing or someone asking what I've done with some other peoples money. What that man has done with someone else's money ain't your fucking business.

Y'all niggas are hostile as he'll for no reason, but I feel you. I don't agree with because there are valid reasons for you to be a watchdog even if you don't have a personal stake. Still, if niggas are just attacking him and not coming from a productive standpoint then their opinions are invalid.

I just cuss when I talk not hostile, this not personal for me. Only time I actually watch how much I cuss is around little kids, my granny & mother.

I don't have an issue with a person being a watchdog either. It's just that you can see and feel that some of the people questioning him want him to fail at building that school or want to him to have done something fucked up with that money. It just feels like some are dreaming, hoping and wishing for that "I told you he was a fraud" moment. If he is a fraud than let it happen but to push for it and sow those seeds in other folks mind is just wrong IMO.

If a person is digging his idea for the school but uncomfortable with his reaction to some people questions regarding the money and want to hold off on donating. I have absolutely no problem with that. Its a sound move. But I do have a problem with those who haven't donated talking shit and attacking him though.

I understand. Respect.

 

[Kwan Dai]

If this same rhetoric was said by your local CAC scholar that white should date whites only. 99% of you nignogs would be in a uproar. That CAC would be a racist and blah blah blah.

Flip the script, Umar comes thru and say what he say. Nignogs is down with it and power to the people.

Now which is it oochie wally or one mic?

I agree with Umar on uplifting black women and building a strong family BUT you love whom you love. It doesn't take away from the fight for justice because whom you're fucking is not the same color. Its mad nigga who married to a sister and doing more harm to our people than someone married to a CAC

Let's flip the script. Cacs should marry cacs.. So, where's your 99% coming from again?

It's for another thread but only weak niggas ride with idea you love who love.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Serious question for the Umar supporters. Do you really think there is a problem with people being skeptical about his plans for the school that haven't come to fruition yet? Granted I get you might have reasons for continued support, but do you really think it's wrong for people to want to grill him on this point?

Just for clarity. I am a supporter of Black Men and Women who take up the mantle of speaking on topics that affect Blacks while offering ideas and solutions on how to repair or strengthen Black communities.

Yes, there is a problem. 1. Most if not none of yall gave a dime. 2. You weren't going to send your child there any damn ways. 3. Yall just popping yall gums because you can.

Yes, for the reasons given above. In addition if, you aint got nothing good to say STFU. Especially as it pertains to Black men and Women that aren't doing harm to the Black community.

So basically you don't believe in accountability? You believe a black man should be able to collect a bunch of money from other blacks for a cause and no one should be able to ask him about it or hold him accountable. How can you say he's not doing harm to the Black community if you're not willing to hold him accountable. People are accusing him of pimping the community by taking money from it with no intentions of following through. I'm not saying he's doing that and I don't know. I personally hope he's successful with this endeavor, but even as a supporter of him in this matter, it doesn't make sense to me to be mad at people who are asking questions relating to his legitimacy. That should be done for all people that are taking money from others, not just Umar.

I dont disagree with this mans message yesterday, today and likely wont tomorrow.

That enough for me to fuck wifh em.

People criticize Polight the same way to this day. I fuck with him too.

I will always love and respect someone that teaches me. I learned a lot watching this brother and the things i didnt learn he at least stirred up my curiosity to go teach myself.

You still fuck with Polight now that he's changed his mindset somewhat?

Any of those people who asking questions but didn't donate need to shut the fuck up. Plain and simple.

You talk like the initial funding is all he'll ever need. Even if he's successful getting the school up, he's going to need outside funding. All schools do. So what's wrong with people holding back on contributing and waiting to see what becomes of it before going all in. What world do you live in where people hear an idea and throw money at it without any evaluation? That's unwise.

Now if you're talking about people who just don't care about the school at all and are bashing for the sake of bashing, then get you. I'm just trying to understand why anyone would have a problem with people trying to assess the validity of claims. To me that seems like a common sense effort that anyone interested in something would do.

I ain't talking like shit. I was very direct with what I said. If you ain't donate then shut the fuck up cause you haven't lost one fucking penny so you should have nothing to say about what that man did or didn't do with SOMEONE else money.

Who ever said anything was wrong with holding back contributions? Post that cause I haven't said it and I haven't seen anybody else in here say that.

Trying to asses something and asking questions in an accusatory tone and manner about what was done with some donation money that you never even donated to makes that person a sucka and a hater.

Most of the people asking questions about that money that has been donated so far are asking in a manner and tone that says they feel Umar has stolen that money. If I was him I wouldn't answer anybody who is questioning me in that manner or hasn't donated.

Fuck I look answering the questions of someone who is accusing me of stealing or someone asking what I've done with some other peoples money. What that man has done with someone else's money ain't your fucking business.

Y'all niggas are hostile as he'll for no reason, but I feel you. I don't agree with because there are valid reasons for you to be a watchdog even if you don't have a personal stake. Still, if niggas are just attacking him and not coming from a productive standpoint then their opinions are invalid.

I just cuss when I talk not hostile, this not personal for me. Only time I actually watch how much I cuss is around little kids, my granny & mother.

I don't have an issue with a person being a watchdog either. It's just that you can see and feel that some of the people questioning him want him to fail at building that school or want to him to have done something fucked up with that money. It just feels like some are dreaming, hoping and wishing for that "I told you he was a fraud" moment. If he is a fraud than let it happen but to push for it and sow those seeds in other folks mind is just wrong IMO.

If a person is digging his idea for the school but uncomfortable with his reaction to some people questions regarding the money and want to hold off on donating. I have absolutely no problem with that. Its a sound move. But I do have a problem with those who haven't donated talking shit and attacking him though.

I don't why these simple ideas allude folks. These are my sentiments as well.

I will also add that. I personally don't care whether or not Umar builds the school. If, he does I will do my best to support his efforts. I just know from the first time I saw Umar in an interview speaking on the education system and the systematic racism, drugging, and bias that our Young Black boys and Girls face on a daily I wanted to hear more. Seeing my son and other Black boys who come from two parent, middle and upper class homes forced into boxes that suppress their warrior spirit and freedom of expression to be unapologetically Black, I identified with his analysis. So, for me his message is sound as I not only have lived, but have seen throughout my past and present travels what Umar speaks about.

 

[semi-auto-mato]

If this same rhetoric was said by your local CAC scholar that white should date whites only. 99% of you nignogs would be in a uproar. That CAC would be a racist and blah blah blah.

Flip the script, Umar comes thru and say what he say. Nignogs is down with it and power to the people.

Now which is it oochie wally or one mic?

I agree with Umar on uplifting black women and building a strong family BUT you love whom you love. It doesn't take away from the fight for justice because whom you're fucking is not the same color. Its mad nigga who married to a sister and doing more harm to our people than someone married to a CAC

Let's flip the script. Cacs should marry cacs.. So, where's your 99% coming from again?

It's for another thread but only weak niggas ride with idea you love who love.

man it seems like its only a few of us that feel like the bolded. it amazes me how many times I get flagged when I say I am against interracial dating. black dudes flagging me because I believe we should marry black women. I will never understand the you love who love stuff. my idea of beauty is black. I wouldn't ever consider dating or marrying anything else but a black woman. I'm also tired of these weak nigga excuses. Black women are stubborn or to outspoken or drama queens. niggas need to step up

 

[Ajackson17]

Serious question for the Umar supporters. Do you really think there is a problem with people being skeptical about his plans for the school that haven't come to fruition yet? Granted I get you might have reasons for continued support, but do you really think it's wrong for people to want to grill him on this point?

Nope, there is no problem with me. I can definitely see reasons why.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Serious question for the Umar supporters. Do you really think there is a problem with people being skeptical about his plans for the school that haven't come to fruition yet? Granted I get you might have reasons for continued support, but do you really think it's wrong for people to want to grill him on this point?

Just for clarity. I am a supporter of Black Men and Women who take up the mantle of speaking on topics that affect Blacks while offering ideas and solutions on how to repair or strengthen Black communities.

Yes, there is a problem. 1. Most if not none of yall gave a dime. 2. You weren't going to send your child there any damn ways. 3. Yall just popping yall gums because you can.

Yes, for the reasons given above. In addition if, you aint got nothing good to say STFU. Especially as it pertains to Black men and Women that aren't doing harm to the Black community.

So basically you don't believe in accountability? You believe a black man should be able to collect a bunch of money from other blacks for a cause and no one should be able to ask him about it or hold him accountable. How can you say he's not doing harm to the Black community if you're not willing to hold him accountable. People are accusing him of pimping the community by taking money from it with no intentions of following through. I'm not saying he's doing that and I don't know. I personally hope he's successful with this endeavor, but even as a supporter of him in this matter, it doesn't make sense to me to be mad at people who are asking questions relating to his legitimacy. That should be done for all people that are taking money from others, not just Umar.

I dont disagree with this mans message yesterday, today and likely wont tomorrow.

That enough for me to fuck wifh em.

People criticize Polight the same way to this day. I fuck with him too.

I will always love and respect someone that teaches me. I learned a lot watching this brother and the things i didnt learn he at least stirred up my curiosity to go teach myself.

You still fuck with Polight now that he's changed his mindset somewhat?

Any of those people who asking questions but didn't donate need to shut the fuck up. Plain and simple.

You talk like the initial funding is all he'll ever need. Even if he's successful getting the school up, he's going to need outside funding. All schools do. So what's wrong with people holding back on contributing and waiting to see what becomes of it before going all in. What world do you live in where people hear an idea and throw money at it without any evaluation? That's unwise.

Now if you're talking about people who just don't care about the school at all and are bashing for the sake of bashing, then get you. I'm just trying to understand why anyone would have a problem with people trying to assess the validity of claims. To me that seems like a common sense effort that anyone interested in something would do.

I ain't talking like shit. I was very direct with what I said. If you ain't donate then shut the fuck up cause you haven't lost one fucking penny so you should have nothing to say about what that man did or didn't do with SOMEONE else money.

Who ever said anything was wrong with holding back contributions? Post that cause I haven't said it and I haven't seen anybody else in here say that.

Trying to asses something and asking questions in an accusatory tone and manner about what was done with some donation money that you never even donated to makes that person a sucka and a hater.

Most of the people asking questions about that money that has been donated so far are asking in a manner and tone that says they feel Umar has stolen that money. If I was him I wouldn't answer anybody who is questioning me in that manner or hasn't donated.

Fuck I look answering the questions of someone who is accusing me of stealing or someone asking what I've done with some other peoples money. What that man has done with someone else's money ain't your fucking business.

Y'all niggas are hostile as he'll for no reason, but I feel you. I don't agree with because there are valid reasons for you to be a watchdog even if you don't have a personal stake. Still, if niggas are just attacking him and not coming from a productive standpoint then their opinions are invalid.

I just cuss when I talk not hostile, this not personal for me. Only time I actually watch how much I cuss is around little kids, my granny & mother.

I don't have an issue with a person being a watchdog either. It's just that you can see and feel that some of the people questioning him want him to fail at building that school or want to him to have done something fucked up with that money. It just feels like some are dreaming, hoping and wishing for that "I told you he was a fraud" moment. If he is a fraud than let it happen but to push for it and sow those seeds in other folks mind is just wrong IMO.

If a person is digging his idea for the school but uncomfortable with his reaction to some people questions regarding the money and want to hold off on donating. I have absolutely no problem with that. Its a sound move. But I do have a problem with those who haven't donated talking shit and attacking him though.

I don't why these simple ideas allude folks. These are my sentiments as well.

I will also add that. I personally don't care whether or not Umar builds the school. If, he does I will do my best to support his efforts. I just know from the first time I saw Umar in an interview speaking on the education system and the systematic racism, drugging, and bias that our Young Black boys and Girls face on a daily I wanted to hear more. Seeing my son and other Black boys who come from two parent, middle and upper class homes forced into boxes that suppress their warrior spirit and freedom of expression to be unapologetically Black, I identified with his analysis. So, for me his message is sound as I not only have lived, but have seen throughout my past and present travels what Umar speaks about.

I really didn't care for Umar at all before the Breakfast Club interview. That interview alone changed my perspective alone for the reasons you named. I want him to succeed with the school. I want people to take his successful model and run with it creating more black oriented schools. I want people within the system to use those models as proof that the current educational system is biased and force change so that even people who can't go to specialized schools will benefit from what Umar started.

The only reason I'm critical in this regard is that if he is scamming people, it will make it that much harder for someone else to put the idea into action. So I think it's good that there are people trying to hold him accountable and force him to be upfront and forthright with what he's doing. However, I agree with you guys that if people are just downing him and his vision because they are haters, they should shut up because this shit is important and necessary for our community.

 

[Kwan Dai]

If this same rhetoric was said by your local CAC scholar that white should date whites only. 99% of you nignogs would be in a uproar. That CAC would be a racist and blah blah blah.

Flip the script, Umar comes thru and say what he say. Nignogs is down with it and power to the people.

Now which is it oochie wally or one mic?

I agree with Umar on uplifting black women and building a strong family BUT you love whom you love. It doesn't take away from the fight for justice because whom you're fucking is not the same color. Its mad nigga who married to a sister and doing more harm to our people than someone married to a CAC

Let's flip the script. Cacs should marry cacs.. So, where's your 99% coming from again?

It's for another thread but only weak niggas ride with idea you love who love.

What's weak about falling in love with whom you want to be with?

You're still in the 1% who's cool with races staying within their race soooooooo your point?

Nothing is weak about being in Love with a person of our CHOOSING.

My point is you're being dishonest. You pulled 99% out of our ass to make a non point. If, you really wanted to discuss you would have asked those who agree with Umar's stance on interracial marriage if, they would feel the same if, a white person took the same stance.

 

[Ajackson17]

If this same rhetoric was said by your local CAC scholar that white should date whites only. 99% of you nignogs would be in a uproar. That CAC would be a racist and blah blah blah.

Flip the script, Umar comes thru and say what he say. Nignogs is down with it and power to the people.

Now which is it oochie wally or one mic?

I agree with Umar on uplifting black women and building a strong family BUT you love whom you love. It doesn't take away from the fight for justice because whom you're fucking is not the same color. Its mad nigga who married to a sister and doing more harm to our people than someone married to a CAC

I would be in that 1%. A lot of black people care what a lot of Europeans say despite not affecting their economic, political, safety, education, and etc situation. You go your way and I'll go my way and stay out of my way.

 

[Ajackson17]

If this same rhetoric was said by your local CAC scholar that white should date whites only. 99% of you nignogs would be in a uproar. That CAC would be a racist and blah blah blah.

Flip the script, Umar comes thru and say what he say. Nignogs is down with it and power to the people.

Now which is it oochie wally or one mic?

I agree with Umar on uplifting black women and building a strong family BUT you love whom you love. It doesn't take away from the fight for justice because whom you're fucking is not the same color. Its mad nigga who married to a sister and doing more harm to our people than someone married to a CAC

Let's flip the script. Cacs should marry cacs.. So, where's your 99% coming from again?

It's for another thread but only weak niggas ride with idea you love who love.

What's weak about falling in love with whom you want to be with?

You're still in the 1% who's cool with races staying within their race soooooooo your point?

Nothing is weak about being in Love with a person of our CHOOSING.

My point is you're being dishonest. You pulled 99% out of our ass to make a non point. If, you really wanted to discuss you would have asked those who agree with Umar's stance on interracial marriage if, they would feel the same if, a white person took the same stance.

Love is about choosing, people just let themself think they didn't choose to make them feel better. Just hear how people talk and the reality is that they know they are choosing.

 

[Kwan Dai]

If this same rhetoric was said by your local CAC scholar that white should date whites only. 99% of you nignogs would be in a uproar. That CAC would be a racist and blah blah blah.

Flip the script, Umar comes thru and say what he say. Nignogs is down with it and power to the people.

Now which is it oochie wally or one mic?

I agree with Umar on uplifting black women and building a strong family BUT you love whom you love. It doesn't take away from the fight for justice because whom you're fucking is not the same color. Its mad nigga who married to a sister and doing more harm to our people than someone married to a CAC

Let's flip the script. Cacs should marry cacs.. So, where's your 99% coming from again?

It's for another thread but only weak niggas ride with idea you love who love.

man it seems like its only a few of us that feel like the bolded. it amazes me how many times I get flagged when I say I am against interracial dating. black dudes flagging me because I believe we should marry black women. I will never understand the you love who love stuff. my idea of beauty is black. I wouldn't ever consider dating or marrying anything else but a black woman. I'm also tired of these weak nigga excuses. Black women are stubborn or to outspoken or drama queens. niggas need to step up

I can't even say I am against it. I just know that it looks crazy weird to say you're for Black unity, family, etc and are toting a polar bear on your arm.

Even beyond the beauty of the Black Women. It's their resilience, and resolve. I promise you I told my wife today you're the best decision I have made in life.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So can we agree that there are three major viewpoints held by blacks in this matter?

1) Those that don't give a fuck about the black community one way or other. Their commitment to black only extends as far as their family, friends, and others they have personal involvements with.

2) Those that care about the black community but see the goal for the community to be a subset of the overall American community that thrives as part of the society as a whole.

3) Those that believe that black community should be as self sufficient and separate from the rest of American society as possible and that that community should be built by blacks, maintained by blacks, and solely benefit blacks.

Is that a fair assessment, or is there more nuance that I'm missing?

 

[Kwan Dai]

I really didn't care for Umar at all before the Breakfast Club interview. That interview alone changed my perspective alone for the reasons you named. I want him to succeed with the school. I want people to take his successful model and run with it creating more black oriented schools. I want people within the system to use those models as proof that the current educational system is biased and force change so that even people who can't go to specialized schools will benefit from what Umar started.

The only reason I'm critical in this regard is that if he is scamming people, it will make it that much harder for someone else to put the idea into action. So I think it's good that there are people trying to hold him accountable and force him to be upfront and forthright with what he's doing. However, I agree with you guys that if people are just downing him and his vision because they are haters, they should shut up because this shit is important and necessary for our community.

I'm going out on a limb but I would think if Umar was getting more press for his school, community initiative and less press about his degrees, personal life, and views on interracial marriage and gays the school would be built already. People who have the resources to make Umar's ideas reality cannot just come out in public and support him. Lebron would lose sponsorship within 12 hours of standing or quoting Umar.

 

[Kwan Dai]

If this same rhetoric was said by your local CAC scholar that white should date whites only. 99% of you nignogs would be in a uproar. That CAC would be a racist and blah blah blah.

Flip the script, Umar comes thru and say what he say. Nignogs is down with it and power to the people.

Now which is it oochie wally or one mic?

I agree with Umar on uplifting black women and building a strong family BUT you love whom you love. It doesn't take away from the fight for justice because whom you're fucking is not the same color. Its mad nigga who married to a sister and doing more harm to our people than someone married to a CAC

Let's flip the script. Cacs should marry cacs.. So, where's your 99% coming from again?

It's for another thread but only weak niggas ride with idea you love who love.

What's weak about falling in love with whom you want to be with?

You're still in the 1% who's cool with races staying within their race soooooooo your point?

Nothing is weak about being in Love with a person of our CHOOSING.

My point is you're being dishonest. You pulled 99% out of our ass to make a non point. If, you really wanted to discuss you would have asked those who agree with Umar's stance on interracial marriage if, they would feel the same if, a white person took the same stance.

The 99% was pertaining to the MAJORITY of posters on this site IF say some white person say Tom Brady for instance came out and said white people should not mate with black people. You' know damn well this site would be anti Tom for saying such a thing.

To say otherwise is bullshit BUT to make it sound better for your ears. Scratch the 99% out of my comment and add majority, does that make it less right or wrong?

What the majority of the IC would say wasn't your point. Your point was 99%\majority who agree with Umar's stance on interracial marriage would then turn hypocrite by calling a cac racist for the same stance. I say you're wrong.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I really didn't care for Umar at all before the Breakfast Club interview. That interview alone changed my perspective alone for the reasons you named. I want him to succeed with the school. I want people to take his successful model and run with it creating more black oriented schools. I want people within the system to use those models as proof that the current educational system is biased and force change so that even people who can't go to specialized schools will benefit from what Umar started.

The only reason I'm critical in this regard is that if he is scamming people, it will make it that much harder for someone else to put the idea into action. So I think it's good that there are people trying to hold him accountable and force him to be upfront and forthright with what he's doing. However, I agree with you guys that if people are just downing him and his vision because they are haters, they should shut up because this shit is important and necessary for our community.

I'm going out on a limb but I would think if Umar was getting more press for his school, community initiative and less press about his degrees, personal life, and views on interracial marriage and gays the school would be built already. People who have the resources to make Umar's ideas reality cannot just come out in public and support him. Lebron would lose sponsorship within 12 hours of standing or quoting Umar.

I hadn't really thought about it like that. I believe you're probably right. I think people could shut up about his degrees, but I don't think he'd ever get past those views on interracial marriage or gays. If I'm not mistaken discriminating against gays is going to be part of the school's mandate. You can correct me if I'm wrong, so you know the fallout associated with that is unavoidable.