Roland Martin vs. Dr. Umar Johnson

[Olorun22]

Umar, and folks like him, have spent decades giving the message that your favorite rapper is just now starting to put in their music.

Why is one able to make millions off it, but the other is reduced to a "pimp"? Theyre both giving the same message.

Whose favorite rapper? Hip Hop has always been littered with knowledge for the betterment of our people.

I wasnt trying to imply Hip Hop culture never had knowledge. So I repeat, why does your favorite rapper get props for kicking knowledge, but a fella like Umar doesnt?

Serious question, cause i have no reason to believe yall would of treated X any different. Reflects poorly on the shoe it fits, but id at least hope such a person was consistent with it.

The cache that Umar's name has speaks to the acclaim that his words have garnered. Just because some people don't acknowledge him doesn't mean he's not being acknowledged.

Umar definitely needs to exercise more self-control. His message is on point most of the time but he doesn't respond to negative criticism well. Like, at all. One "liar" and he's ready to go back and forth name calling. I look to Malcolm X, who never stooped to the level of his detractors. His poise alone made racists and uncle Toms look foolish.

If that's your only gripe, you're not who my original question was aimed at. I'm trying to hear from the niggas that cut these conscious cat's at the knee's.

Like hearing that pro-black shit makes them go, "He's pimping the black community".

I'm like with what? Knowledge, game, facts. Like a book? Like these niggas enjoy getting FBI visits, death threats, and risking they livelihood. They compare the conscious to preachers, preachers ain't gotta worry bout being targeted. The money is in cooning, so what sense does it make for them to not go where the money is? What sense does it make to stand up and risk getting shot, for teaching powerless negroes, if one wanted to pimp black folks? It makes none, which is why I don't believe that surface shit when niggas make that claim.

A good number of these niggas ain't giving facts...theyre giving their opinion. I saw a video of one of these conscious dudes talking about women having a menstrual cycle is unnatural and that changing your diet to a non European diet would eliminate it....really my nigga? These the folks you want to prop up?

He's a fbi plant

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I don't see who he's tearing down. If, you like boning white chicks do you, stop being do defense and move on. He's right while you maybe doing good things you aren't 100% in the struggle for Blacks. I don't see why you're so offended. So, you're ok with people who snort coke building drug rehab centers?

Roland's whole point in bringing up those prominent black names was to show that you could intermarry and still do big things, and Umar was very clear that it didn't matter who they were or what they've done, they aren't down for the community (and not even respectable in his opinion) if they marry outside the race. How is that not tearing people down?

That's your opinion and quite frankly your opinion is bullshit... People can identify however they see fit. The American process? What is the American process? Damn near every other race does so just fine. Owning their own communities, organizations, Schools etc that suit their community needs. That's what Umar is CLEARLY promoting.

It's not an opinion. It's fucking fact. How are you African if you don't live there, have no experience there, no knowledge of specific ways there, no real understanding of specific cultures and the way things are done. A lot of black people in this country barely leave their city. How can they claim to be purely African when all they know is America? And what does owning your own communities, organizations, schools in America have to do with being African. I support that too and that's one of the things I agree with Umar on, but building infrastructure in America would still be African American activity there. Jewish Americans have all that and they refer to themselves as Jewish Americans. They aren't running around calling themselves Israelis. And they aren't conflating issue with representing their ancestral homeland with what they are building in their modern home.

Who has he attacked? And our history has shown that even with "allies" we haven't progressed at rate that we should have. So, the idea that we should build internally instead of searching, waiting, hoping for allies is sound. You are overstating every point Umar makes with your exaggerated spin. Garvey's movement suffered every other Blacks movement. White Supremacy, White infiltration and fearful Whites who have put every visionary Black man\woman on a watch list with the intent to destroy.

Maybe attack is a strong word. Discredit would be better. When people bring up examples of allies, he shoots them down and belittles the efforts put forth by those people. And I don't even know what this "rate" you're talking about is. Can you tell me what the magic rate for progress from essentially being cattle for a few hundred years to being fully recognized citizens is? Historically, no matter where you are transitions like that happen incredibly slow. There are places out there far older than the US is that still haven't figured that kinda thing out. And what exactly did I exaggerate. The man specifically said that no white person has ever done anything to try to end systematic white privilege. That was his exact stance. I gave examples of white who did that. I'm not saying we should search, wait, or hope for anyone. I agree with Umar that if we are to turn things around, the bulk of the work will have to be done by us. I just don't see the point in giving the finger to people that want to work with us especially given that we've never really accomplished anything of substance in this country without outside help.

Stop lying. You then took it a step further and typed. "That's shit that we African Americans know nothing about". Who's we? You? Stop trying to belittle people that seek out something other then your idea of Blacks integrating into as you put it. "The American Process"

Some of you niggas need to learn how to read. If you don't understand the parallel I was making, then your dumbass shouldn't be responding to my post. @jono listed a bunch of negative things in America that blacks have had to contend with over the years. The only point I was making by listing those negative things in Africa was to show that there would still be struggles that would have to be face if you lived in Africa and those struggles aren't necessarily the same as what we face. You can disagree with that, and that's fine, but stop misrepresenting the point I'm making. If that's all you're capable of then stop fucking responding to me because that shit is childish and pointless.

And unless your ass has been in a genocide or part of a multigenerational tribal war I don't see what fucking point you're trying to make. Those are not problems we deal with nowadays in America. When I said "we African Americans know nothing about..." I wasn't belittling anyone and frankly to get that from what I said you'd have to be either trying to make an intellectually dishonest assessment of my statement in order to comeback with a counter or you're just an idiot. Like I said before, I think it is in every African American's best interest to learn more about their heritage before America, to research Africa, to get in touch with whatever African culture you hail from, and if possible to visit Africa. I've been saying that shit for forever, since I was back in undergrad at an HBCU taking African history courses. My disagreement with Umar has nothing to do with that. My disagreement with him is his idea that we can somehow ignore the American part of our identity. If your family has been here for hundreds of years and basically all you and everyone you know and love has ever really experience is America, it would be foolish of you to deny that part of who you are and even more foolish to think you're the same as a group of people who haven't experienced any of that.

 

[soul rattler]

Ok fuck Umar right now...

I gotta stop this shit before more people try to jump on this.

You may not feel particularly close to any specific country in Africa but for whatever you don't know about Africa, take a good hard look at what you know about the United States of America. What have your people, right here in this country, dealt with since 1776? Slavery, share cropping, Jim crow, rape, murder, church bombings, lynchings, citywide riots, police brutality, intentional systemic oppression in every single industry, field of study, and economic opportunity EVER.

You may not feel all that familiar to Africa but you damn well better wake up and smell the coffee cause this USA shit ain't for you.

Africa is an extremely diverse continent, even more including the islands. What you, as a black person in America, have in common with them is I definitely greater than your differences.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Shit's been bad for blacks in America, so despite being here and conditioned by this culture and history for hundreds of years, we're much closer to cultures that are completely foreign to us? That doesn't make any sense.

And people really need to stop with this revisionist history that Africa was always all good for Africans. It wasn't. Yes, African Americans were slaves in America. Guess what? Africans were slaves in Africa too. That's how a great deal of black people got over here in the first place, African slave owners selling their property to European slave traders. And right now in Africa, you have genocides, religious wars, and tribal beef going on regularly. That's shit that we African Americans know nothing about, so this idea that America is fucked up and we'd all be better off in Africa is ridiculous. Tell that to all the Africans doing everything they can to get the fuck out of Africa every year.

Now don't get me wrong, Europe and America are, in large part, to blame for many of Africa's problems too. I'm just saying that African Americans are different than Africans. Our differences aren't as trivial as you're implying, and our shitty experiences in America are a large part of why we are so different from Africans. You can't just dismiss them because you don't like them.

You're throwing out straw man's left and right. Let me get this little one out of the way first: He didn't atrack "potential white allies". He said people like Tim Wise articulate white supremacy/privilege but don't actively work to dismantle it. Whether you agree or disagree with that assertion, to say that he's "attacking" Tim Wise is an extreme exaggeration.

Now ain't nobody in here said Africa was perfect. What I will say is that in the totality of human civilization, it can be concluded that European inclusion has always been detrimental to African people. Be it Europe's devastating relationship with Africa over resources or culturally, it has more often not been in our favor to let them into our land, our culture, or our homes.

We've been in America for 500+ years getting fucked over. We've been in in Africa FOREVER.

 

[Shuffington]

Umar, and folks like him, have spent decades giving the message that your favorite rapper is just now starting to put in their music.

Why is one able to make millions off it, but the other is reduced to a "pimp"? Theyre both giving the same message.

Whose favorite rapper? Hip Hop has always been littered with knowledge for the betterment of our people.

I wasnt trying to imply Hip Hop culture never had knowledge. So I repeat, why does your favorite rapper get props for kicking knowledge, but a fella like Umar doesnt?

Serious question, cause i have no reason to believe yall would of treated X any different. Reflects poorly on the shoe it fits, but id at least hope such a person was consistent with it.

The cache that Umar's name has speaks to the acclaim that his words have garnered. Just because some people don't acknowledge him doesn't mean he's not being acknowledged.

Umar definitely needs to exercise more self-control. His message is on point most of the time but he doesn't respond to negative criticism well. Like, at all. One "liar" and he's ready to go back and forth name calling. I look to Malcolm X, who never stooped to the level of his detractors. His poise alone made racists and uncle Toms look foolish.

If that's your only gripe, you're not who my original question was aimed at. I'm trying to hear from the niggas that cut these conscious cat's at the knee's.

Like hearing that pro-black shit makes them go, "He's pimping the black community".

I'm like with what? Knowledge, game, facts. Like a book? Like these niggas enjoy getting FBI visits, death threats, and risking they livelihood. They compare the conscious to preachers, preachers ain't gotta worry bout being targeted. The money is in cooning, so what sense does it make for them to not go where the money is? What sense does it make to stand up and risk getting shot, for teaching powerless negroes, if one wanted to pimp black folks? It makes none, which is why I don't believe that surface shit when niggas make that claim.

A good number of these niggas ain't giving facts...theyre giving their opinion. I saw a video of one of these conscious dudes talking about women having a menstrual cycle is unnatural and that changing your diet to a non European diet would eliminate it....really my nigga? These the folks you want to prop up?

Sounds like something from my African Wholistic Health book by Llaila Afrika.

I don't know if everything in that book is true but I know i made Afrika 12$'s richer.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

You're throwing out straw man's left and right. Let me get this little one out of the way first: He didn't atrack "potential white allies". He said people like Tim Wise articulate white supremacy/privilege but don't actively work to dismantle it. Whether you agree or disagree with that assertion, to say that he's "attacking" Tim Wise is an extreme exaggeration.

Now ain't nobody in here said Africa was perfect. What I will say is that in the totality of human civilization, it can be concluded that European inclusion has always been detrimental to African people. Be it Europe's devastating relationship with Africa over resources or culturally, it has more often not been in our favor to let them into our land, our culture, or our homes.

We've been in America for 500+ years getting fucked over. We've been in in Africa FOREVER.

I really wish ya'll niggas would learn what a straw man argument is because ya'll love throwing that term out, but you never use it right.

That said, as I stated in my response to @"Kwan Dai" you're right, attack may be too strong a word for this instance. "Discredit" would probably be more accurate. When you say Tim Wise doesn't do anything to actively dismantle white privilege, you're discrediting him by asserting that trying to educate the masses on white privilege is not an effort towards dismantling it. When you make that broad statement you're discrediting all those whites who protested, fought, provided funds, passed legislation, and in some cases died for abolition and civil rights, movements that were inarguably in direct opposition to white supremacy and privilege. To me that is an attack, but, if ya'll think that's too strong, then we should be able to agree with the term discredit.

I agree with you, trusting whites has not been the best for us, and if your and Umar's stance was one of getting back to Africa, getting whites out of Africa, and building in that way, I wouldn't agree with you, but I also wouldn't really feel the need to fight you on that opinion because I'd understand it and see the merit. However, that's not what he's pushing. And yes, it's true that much more of our extended lineages are found in Africa than in America, but that doesn't really matter from a practical standpoint. How much of that lineage has had a direct impact on your life? If you're honest, the last two or three generations of your family tree have had a more significant impact on you than the dozens that existed over in Africa. That's the only point I'm making. Yes, we all hail from Africa. We should embrace and love that, but it makes no sense to dismiss the reality that America has shaped us too.

 

[black caesar]

What happened to the $700k for the school - him probably nam it

He stated that he's going to start another initiative next year. Take that for what you will.

So...the money from the first one went where?

To some far away magical place. LOL That shit is gone man.

And people say its wrong to ask questions...lol. Those the exact folks he preys on

It's not wrong at all to ask those questions. Put their feet to the fire.

 

[5th Letter]

Ok fuck Umar right now...

I gotta stop this shit before more people try to jump on this.

You may not feel particularly close to any specific country in Africa but for whatever you don't know about Africa, take a good hard look at what you know about the United States of America. What have your people, right here in this country, dealt with since 1776? Slavery, share cropping, Jim crow, rape, murder, church bombings, lynchings, citywide riots, police brutality, intentional systemic oppression in every single industry, field of study, and economic opportunity EVER.

You may not feel all that familiar to Africa but you damn well better wake up and smell the coffee cause this USA shit ain't for you.

Africa is an extremely diverse continent, even more including the islands. What you, as a black person in America, have in common with them is I definitely greater than your differences.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Shit's been bad for blacks in America, so despite being here and conditioned by this culture and history for hundreds of years, we're much closer to cultures that are completely foreign to us? That doesn't make any sense.

And people really need to stop with this revisionist history that Africa was always all good for Africans. It wasn't. Yes, African Americans were slaves in America. Guess what? Africans were slaves in Africa too. That's how a great deal of black people got over here in the first place, African slave owners selling their property to European slave traders. And right now in Africa, you have genocides, religious wars, and tribal beef going on regularly. That's shit that we African Americans know nothing about, so this idea that America is fucked up and we'd all be better off in Africa is ridiculous. Tell that to all the Africans doing everything they can to get the fuck out of Africa every year.

Now don't get me wrong, Europe and America are, in large part, to blame for many of Africa's problems too. I'm just saying that African Americans are different than Africans. Our differences aren't as trivial as you're implying, and our shitty experiences in America are a large part of why we are so different from Africans. You can't just dismiss them because you don't like them.

You're throwing out straw man's left and right. Let me get this little one out of the way first: He didn't atrack "potential white allies". He said people like Tim Wise articulate white supremacy/privilege but don't actively work to dismantle it. Whether you agree or disagree with that assertion, to say that he's "attacking" Tim Wise is an extreme exaggeration.

Now ain't nobody in here said Africa was perfect. What I will say is that in the totality of human civilization, it can be concluded that European inclusion has always been detrimental to African people. Be it Europe's devastating relationship with Africa over resources or culturally, it has more often not been in our favor to let them into our land, our culture, or our homes.

We've been in America for 500+ years getting fucked over. We've been in in Africa FOREVER.

He's the strawman king

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Ok fuck Umar right now...

I gotta stop this shit before more people try to jump on this.

You may not feel particularly close to any specific country in Africa but for whatever you don't know about Africa, take a good hard look at what you know about the United States of America. What have your people, right here in this country, dealt with since 1776? Slavery, share cropping, Jim crow, rape, murder, church bombings, lynchings, citywide riots, police brutality, intentional systemic oppression in every single industry, field of study, and economic opportunity EVER.

You may not feel all that familiar to Africa but you damn well better wake up and smell the coffee cause this USA shit ain't for you.

Africa is an extremely diverse continent, even more including the islands. What you, as a black person in America, have in common with them is I definitely greater than your differences.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Shit's been bad for blacks in America, so despite being here and conditioned by this culture and history for hundreds of years, we're much closer to cultures that are completely foreign to us? That doesn't make any sense.

And people really need to stop with this revisionist history that Africa was always all good for Africans. It wasn't. Yes, African Americans were slaves in America. Guess what? Africans were slaves in Africa too. That's how a great deal of black people got over here in the first place, African slave owners selling their property to European slave traders. And right now in Africa, you have genocides, religious wars, and tribal beef going on regularly. That's shit that we African Americans know nothing about, so this idea that America is fucked up and we'd all be better off in Africa is ridiculous. Tell that to all the Africans doing everything they can to get the fuck out of Africa every year.

Now don't get me wrong, Europe and America are, in large part, to blame for many of Africa's problems too. I'm just saying that African Americans are different than Africans. Our differences aren't as trivial as you're implying, and our shitty experiences in America are a large part of why we are so different from Africans. You can't just dismiss them because you don't like them.

You're throwing out straw man's left and right. Let me get this little one out of the way first: He didn't atrack "potential white allies". He said people like Tim Wise articulate white supremacy/privilege but don't actively work to dismantle it. Whether you agree or disagree with that assertion, to say that he's "attacking" Tim Wise is an extreme exaggeration.

Now ain't nobody in here said Africa was perfect. What I will say is that in the totality of human civilization, it can be concluded that European inclusion has always been detrimental to African people. Be it Europe's devastating relationship with Africa over resources or culturally, it has more often not been in our favor to let them into our land, our culture, or our homes.

We've been in America for 500+ years getting fucked over. We've been in in Africa FOREVER.

He's the strawman king

Internet niggas love throwing around logical fallacy names in an attempt to sound smart, but ya'll mutha fuckas never know what you're talking about.

Me using a word choice you don't like is not a strawman. Claiming I'm trying to "

belittle people that seek out something other then your idea of Blacks integrating into as you put it. "The American Process"" is literally misrepresenting points I make in order to argue against the distorted point rather than the point that was actually made (i.e. a strawman argument). It's hilarious to me how ya'll niggas are always the ones that sidestep points, resort to personal attacks, make fallacious arguments, etc... yet you always want to try an call me out on shit rather than just intelligently addressing the points I actually make. It's not even like I'm unreasonable. I don't believe I was off the mark for saying Umar attacked white "allies." An attempt to discredit work someone puts in towards a cause is an attack to me, but I understand some may take some stronger from that term than I mean it so I pulled back on it. Ya'll niggas go full force with the bullshit and even when you're shown to be off the mark you just double down, call names, and then pat each other on the back. You're basically the pro black versions of Trump supporters.

 

[soul rattler]

Fam speak for yourself. I'm here because of my Nigerian father. You keep trying to speak on behalf of most black folk when you clearly have no position to do so.

Also, "discredit" and "attack" are not degree variations of one another. They're two different things.

Ok fuck Umar right now...

I gotta stop this shit before more people try to jump on this.

You may not feel particularly close to any specific country in Africa but for whatever you don't know about Africa, take a good hard look at what you know about the United States of America. What have your people, right here in this country, dealt with since 1776? Slavery, share cropping, Jim crow, rape, murder, church bombings, lynchings, citywide riots, police brutality, intentional systemic oppression in every single industry, field of study, and economic opportunity EVER.

You may not feel all that familiar to Africa but you damn well better wake up and smell the coffee cause this USA shit ain't for you.

Africa is an extremely diverse continent, even more including the islands. What you, as a black person in America, have in common with them is I definitely greater than your differences.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Shit's been bad for blacks in America, so despite being here and conditioned by this culture and history for hundreds of years, we're much closer to cultures that are completely foreign to us? That doesn't make any sense.

And people really need to stop with this revisionist history that Africa was always all good for Africans. It wasn't. Yes, African Americans were slaves in America. Guess what? Africans were slaves in Africa too. That's how a great deal of black people got over here in the first place, African slave owners selling their property to European slave traders. And right now in Africa, you have genocides, religious wars, and tribal beef going on regularly. That's shit that we African Americans know nothing about, so this idea that America is fucked up and we'd all be better off in Africa is ridiculous. Tell that to all the Africans doing everything they can to get the fuck out of Africa every year.

Now don't get me wrong, Europe and America are, in large part, to blame for many of Africa's problems too. I'm just saying that African Americans are different than Africans. Our differences aren't as trivial as you're implying, and our shitty experiences in America are a large part of why we are so different from Africans. You can't just dismiss them because you don't like them.

You're throwing out straw man's left and right. Let me get this little one out of the way first: He didn't atrack "potential white allies". He said people like Tim Wise articulate white supremacy/privilege but don't actively work to dismantle it. Whether you agree or disagree with that assertion, to say that he's "attacking" Tim Wise is an extreme exaggeration.

Now ain't nobody in here said Africa was perfect. What I will say is that in the totality of human civilization, it can be concluded that European inclusion has always been detrimental to African people. Be it Europe's devastating relationship with Africa over resources or culturally, it has more often not been in our favor to let them into our land, our culture, or our homes.

We've been in America for 500+ years getting fucked over. We've been in in Africa FOREVER.

He's the strawman king

 

[bambu]

Coon squad was annoying, he wanted to call them out of their names so bad. Especially fake Erick Sermon with the fucked up hairline smh.

He called Roland a coon on air, after he called Dr. Umar a liar.

He wasn't talking to Roland.

Yes he was, and that's why Roland got mad.

Not from what I saw...

He was talking to the other guy...

Roland did not even debate him....

He played moderator....

 

[soul rattler]

Roland debated him for the first half and in the second half the panel got involved. That's when Umar called the guy in the pink tie a coon. Then Roland intervened but not didn't address Umar being called a liar.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Fam speak for yourself. I'm here because of my Nigerian father. You keep trying to speak on behalf of most black folk when you clearly have no position to do so.

Also, "discredit" and "attack" are not degree variations of one another. They're two different things.

I'm not speaking on behalf of most black folk. I'm speaking on behalf of myself and no one else. And I've made it clear that I'm talking about those of us whose family has been here for generations. If you're the first generation child of an African immigrant, I'm not really sure how you could have read my statements and thought what I said even applied to you. The average African American's connection to Africa is nowhere near that close. If you're try imply that's the norm or that I was claiming that no blacks in America have a close connection like that, you're being intellectually dishonest.

An attack can be as simple as an offensive action taken against another party. An attempt to discredit the life's work and efforts of another person would certainly fall into that category. However, this is really devolving into a squabble over semantics, which is pointless. That's why I amended my point to be discredit instead of attack, to avoid that.

 

[soul rattler]

Fam speak for yourself. I'm here because of my Nigerian father. You keep trying to speak on behalf of most black folk when you clearly have no position to do so.

Also, "discredit" and "attack" are not degree variations of one another. They're two different things.

I'm not speaking on behalf of most black folk. I'm speaking on behalf of myself and no one else. And I've made it clear that I'm talking about those of us whose family has been here for generations. If you're the first generation child of an African immigrant, I'm not really sure how you could have read my statements and thought what I said even applied to you. The average African American's connection to Africa is nowhere near that close. If you're try imply that's the norm or that I was claiming that no blacks in America have a close connection like that, you're being intellectually dishonest.

An attack can be as simple as an offensive action taken against another party. An attempt to discredit the life's work and efforts of another person would certainly fall into that category. However, this is really devolving into a squabble over semantics, which is pointless. That's why I amended my point to be discredit instead of attack, to avoid that.

Because my father is African and my mother's lineage goes up through slavery. So I can speak for both experiences. It seems like you can't.

While it is true that many people are unaware of their ancestry, it's also true that many haven't even tried or cared try because they think like you "I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!"

That's that bullshit.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Fam speak for yourself. I'm here because of my Nigerian father. You keep trying to speak on behalf of most black folk when you clearly have no position to do so.

Also, "discredit" and "attack" are not degree variations of one another. They're two different things.

I'm not speaking on behalf of most black folk. I'm speaking on behalf of myself and no one else. And I've made it clear that I'm talking about those of us whose family has been here for generations. If you're the first generation child of an African immigrant, I'm not really sure how you could have read my statements and thought what I said even applied to you. The average African American's connection to Africa is nowhere near that close. If you're try imply that's the norm or that I was claiming that no blacks in America have a close connection like that, you're being intellectually dishonest.

An attack can be as simple as an offensive action taken against another party. An attempt to discredit the life's work and efforts of another person would certainly fall into that category. However, this is really devolving into a squabble over semantics, which is pointless. That's why I amended my point to be discredit instead of attack, to avoid that.

Because my father is African and my mother's lineage goes up through slavery. So I can speak for both experiences. It seems like you can't.

While it is true that many people are unaware of their ancestry, it's also true that many haven't even tried or cared try because they think like you "I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!"



That's that bullshit.

lol Again, I don't know if what I'm saying is flying over your head or you're just not trying to understand. You can't speak for both experiences. I've been specifically talking about the majority of African Americans, who don't have that direct connection to Africa and have been influenced far more by their experiences in America than their African heritage. You can't possibly speak for that side because you have a father who has given you a connection to Africa. I'm guessing you've probably been to Africa and have grown up exposed directly to an African culture. Most African Americans can't say that.

And you may not know what a straw man argument is, but you damn sure can make one because the bold is a hell of a straw man.

My actual point: As African Americans we should learn more about and embrace African heritage, but we should also acknowledge and accept the American part of our identities because it has shaped us too.

Your version of my point: I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!

Ladies and gentleman, that is a straw man argument. Please remember that example the next time you want to avoid actually making a point by throwing the term out.

 

[Recaptimus_Prime360]

Can't front...he made a valid point on the interracial how celebs speak for black issues, but a black woman wasn't good enough to marry part

 

[leftcoastkev]

I'm just making notes of this dude on the show, and what jumps out:

First off - You mean to tell me that guys like Harry Bellafonte, Richard Pryor, Quincy Jones, and Sidney Poiter get no respect because they have non-black wives, even though they broke barriers in the entertainment industry while maintaining their black ancestry? FOH, Umar.

2nd - Him calling dude a coon was petty and childish as a muhfuck. "He called me a liar." Stop acting like a bitch, Umar.

Umar does have a point about white folks not doing much to anything at all about the systematic setup of white privilege.

This dude is hit or miss. He makes great points, but he goes full Hotep too many times for my taste.

Only addressing the bolded part of this post.

If you listen closely to the video that (get no respect) is what Roland said, not Umar. Umar said it will be "difficult to gain" his respect, he never flat out said I won't respect them. Roland stretched Umar words in order to create a narrative. Verbal chess.

 

[Koltrain]

Them coons couldn't wait to get at Umar. Especially the black chick...But again, Umar gotta have more self control when he get challenged...he need a thorough team to keep him in check and help him develop into a leader. It always seems like he on an island..

 

[Shuffington]

I'm just making notes of this dude on the show, and what jumps out:

First off - You mean to tell me that guys like Harry Bellafonte, Richard Pryor, Quincy Jones, and Sidney Poiter get no respect because they have non-black wives, even though they broke barriers in the entertainment industry while maintaining their black ancestry? FOH, Umar.

2nd - Him calling dude a coon was petty and childish as a muhfuck. "He called me a liar." Stop acting like a bitch, Umar.

Umar does have a point about white folks not doing much to anything at all about the systematic setup of white privilege.

This dude is hit or miss. He makes great points, but he goes full Hotep too many times for my taste.

Only addressing the bolded part of this post.

If you listen closely to the video that (get no respect) is what Roland said, not Umar. Umar said it will be "difficult to gain" his respect, he never flat out said I won't respect them. Roland stretched Umar words in order to create a narrative. Verbal chess.

Just a little clarity with no malicious intent.. Dr Umar made that comment on the breakfast club and Roland Martin was quoting his statement from the breakfast club.

...(30:30- BF Club Interview) "Thats why I can not respect, a black man who is not committed to a black woman"

 

[soul rattler]

Fam speak for yourself. I'm here because of my Nigerian father. You keep trying to speak on behalf of most black folk when you clearly have no position to do so.

Also, "discredit" and "attack" are not degree variations of one another. They're two different things.

I'm not speaking on behalf of most black folk. I'm speaking on behalf of myself and no one else. And I've made it clear that I'm talking about those of us whose family has been here for generations. If you're the first generation child of an African immigrant, I'm not really sure how you could have read my statements and thought what I said even applied to you. The average African American's connection to Africa is nowhere near that close. If you're try imply that's the norm or that I was claiming that no blacks in America have a close connection like that, you're being intellectually dishonest.

An attack can be as simple as an offensive action taken against another party. An attempt to discredit the life's work and efforts of another person would certainly fall into that category. However, this is really devolving into a squabble over semantics, which is pointless. That's why I amended my point to be discredit instead of attack, to avoid that.

Because my father is African and my mother's lineage goes up through slavery. So I can speak for both experiences. It seems like you can't.

While it is true that many people are unaware of their ancestry, it's also true that many haven't even tried or cared try because they think like you "I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!"



That's that bullshit.

lol Again, I don't know if what I'm saying is flying over your head or you're just not trying to understand. You can't speak for both experiences. I've been specifically talking about the majority of African Americans, who don't have that direct connection to Africa and have been influenced far more by their experiences in America than their African heritage. You can't possibly speak for that side because you have a father who has given you a connection to Africa. I'm guessing you've probably been to Africa and have grown up exposed directly to an African culture. Most African Americans can't say that.

And you may not know what a straw man argument is, but you damn sure can make one because the bold is a hell of a straw man.

My actual point: As African Americans we should learn more about and embrace African heritage, but we should also acknowledge and accept the American part of our identities because it has shaped us too.

Your version of my point: I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!

Ladies and gentleman, that is a straw man argument. Please remember that example the next time you want to avoid actually making a point by throwing the term out.

Bruh I know what a fucking straw man argument is. Just because you don't like being told you're using a straw man argument doesn't mean you're not using one.

@ the bolded, you don't know shit about me except what I've told you. So how can you tell me what my experience is? You can't. Just quit already. This is embarrassing for you.

 

[playmaker88]

You know Al and Jessie caught a lot of flack......