Real talk... if there are coons, biracial 'black' women are the worst

[fuc_i_look_like]

I'm happy for you and your fiance

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Lol whoa. Is this really the poster laqueefa?

 

[Copper]

 

[jono]

Also, what he said about blacks cant be racist is stupid. Any group can be racist, whether they are in dominant position or a subordinate one.

You just ignorant as fuck. If you don't know bout sociological definitions just be quiet.

There are competing views and alternative definitions to the ones presented by charles

There are always "competing views" that doesn't mean it's correct.

Also, what he said about blacks cant be racist is stupid. Any group can be racist, whether they are in dominant position or a subordinate one.

You just ignorant as fuck. If you don't know bout sociological definitions just be quiet.

Bruh, I am actually quite knowledgeable on the subject. The idea that blacks can't be racist is compellingly rejected in this book (chapter 2).

So? You can reject whatever you like but that doesn't make untrue.

Those are two way streets.

Not really. There is a roundly excepted definition then there is "I think the definition should be", you can think what you want when it becomes generally excepted then holla at me.

Appeal to majority.

Keep in mind that the 3/5ths ideology was once generally accepted

Colloquial usage of the term is one thing but criticism of the sociological definition because you don't like it is another.

3/5th rule was put in place for the purposes of limiting the power of slave states in the House of Representatives, not because it was believed to be true.

Something isn't true just because it is generally accepted. Word to geocentricity.

Prove the sociological definition of racism is untrue.

If prejudice + power = racism then you do not need to have power through the primary institutions of a society to be racist as there are many forms of power.

Case in point Oprah has far more money than a homeless White man and money is a form of power.

In what way would oprah express said prejudice and power?

If it is racist when a White employer hires a White employee over a Black one because he is White how would it be any less racist if a Black employer hired a Black employee over a White one because he is Black?

The latter example is rarer but not impossible as implied by some

So...what does this have to do with your oprah analogy? It's far from proving the sociological definition of racism wrong as well.

I thought it was obvious

Oprah owns a TV network, magazine and production company. Since she has capacity act as those in that example do then she cannot be incapable of racism.

I like how you threw the burden of proof on me though. Well played.

Definitions are subjective so disproving one would be impossible. If you call a tiger a koala how can I prove that the tiger is not a Koala? It wouldn't be possible.

But I thought the sociological definition was wrong?

You went on a tangent to disprove it and ended up proving it correct. Smh you type just to type apparently.

And as far as your koala/tiger analogy is concerned you can call a koala whatever you like, that's YOUR business but that has nothing to do with the field of Zoology which has already defined each animal.

Same issue here, you don't like the sociological definition of racism? Fine but don't engage in sociological discussion because the arguments are framed on what words mean within that field not "I'm going to make my own definitions up because I can".

Whatever college you go to that allows you to make up definitions must be lousy as fuck. You probably get to make your own tests as grade them yourself too.

There is no commonly accepted definition of racism in Sociology, as far as I know. And even if there is one, and it something like what Dyson said, what would that prove? That sociologists have embraced a faulty definition of racism. Sociologists have no special expertise to tell us what racism is.

Individuals can be racists, and they if they lack power that doesn't make them any less racist. So blacks can be racists too.

Faulty based on what? Your opinion or do you have a study?

If it's your opinion then just hang it up, If you have a study I'd love to see it.

Second bolded: didnt say they couldn't be.

Faulty based on sound reasoning.

If a white man who hates blacks goes to live in Nigeria, where blacks have the power, would he count as non-racist because his group is relatively powerless there? No.

Again, suppose that there is a white kid in an otherwise all-black school. Let's say that he hates blacks. He is relatively powerless in that context, and yet he still seems to be racist.

Racism doesn't require power. Just a little reflection is enough to show that.

Who's reasoning? These are opinions I'm reading here. Not anything scholarly and nobody is racist in either case you mentioned.

How could they not be racists? They hate blacks.

How do you know this? And furthermore who cares?

 

[jono]

Not sure how one could say that Weber, Durkheim, Goffman, Milgram and Marx's works are not important to Soc

You got a list from "about.com" it's not trustworthy. But hey you said "sociology is BS it's an arts program" which is far more egregious than me challenging the word of a single person within a huge field. Nahmean?

 

[shit happens]

Where the hoes at?

 

[LUClEN]

Not sure how one could say that Weber, Durkheim, Goffman, Milgram and Marx's works are not important to Soc

You got a list from "about.com" it's not trustworthy. But hey you said "sociology is BS it's an arts program" which is far more egregious than me challenging the word of a single person within a huge field. Nahmean?

Truth doesn't come from how many people say something or who is saying it

 

[jono]

Not sure how one could say that Weber, Durkheim, Goffman, Milgram and Marx's works are not important to Soc

You got a list from "about.com" it's not trustworthy. But hey you said "sociology is BS it's an arts program" which is far more egregious than me challenging the word of a single person within a huge field. Nahmean?

Truth doesn't come from how many people say something or who is saying it

It does in scientific fields. Now produce a study or something academic real quick.

 

[Purr]

Not sure how one could say that Weber, Durkheim, Goffman, Milgram and Marx's works are not important to Soc

You got a list from "about.com" it's not trustworthy. But hey you said "sociology is BS it's an arts program" which is far more egregious than me challenging the word of a single person within a huge field. Nahmean?

Truth doesn't come from how many people say something or who is saying it

Aight.

Lets close down all of our schools. The academic and world-renowned scholar is speaking "truth". Yet, his facts comes from about.com, which is below Wikipedia, and had posted facts from a unknown professor from arizona state (lol).

Youre from canada, please stick with canadian issues. American social issues are not your forte.

 

[LUClEN]

Not sure how one could say that Weber, Durkheim, Goffman, Milgram and Marx's works are not important to Soc

You got a list from "about.com" it's not trustworthy. But hey you said "sociology is BS it's an arts program" which is far more egregious than me challenging the word of a single person within a huge field. Nahmean?

Truth doesn't come from how many people say something or who is saying it

It does in scientific fields. Now produce a study or something academic real quick.

It comes from empirical evidence

 

[Meta_Conscious]

I love sociology.

 

[Bodhi]

The sociological definition fails on the individual level because the sociological definition refers to institutionalized and organized racism since that is, after all, what sociology deals with.

However, the sociological definition is grounded in the universally accepted definition of racism previously given by yours truly. So if we are to define racism at its most basic level, the universally accepted definition provided by most if not every noteworthy English dictionary available is the only definition that works.

Racism is a belief and can be held by any one individual regardless of status or power, just the same way one can be sexist without being in a sociopolitical advantage.

 

[A Talented One]

The sociological definition fails on the individual level because the sociological definition refers to institutionalized and organized racism since that is, after all, what sociology deals with.

However, the sociological definition is grounded in the universally accepted definition of racism previously given by yours truly. So if we are to define racism at its most basic level, the universally accepted definition provided by most if not every noteworthy English dictionary available is the only definition that works.

Racism is a belief and can be held by any one individual regardless of status or power, just the same way one can be sexist without being in a sociopolitical advantage.

If a white man hates me because I'm black he's a racist. He doesn't have to believe that blacks are inferior.

 

[Bodhi]

Even then, the sociological definition does not hold that in order to be racist, a group, organization or institution has to have power on a grand scale, i.e. world power; a very small organization with relatively minimal power can express racist ideals on persons below them insofar as the situation is concerned and still be in agreement with the sociological definition without the race of the organization holding world power being a necessity.

 

[Bodhi]

The sociological definition fails on the individual level because the sociological definition refers to institutionalized and organized racism since that is, after all, what sociology deals with.

However, the sociological definition is grounded in the universally accepted definition of racism previously given by yours truly. So if we are to define racism at its most basic level, the universally accepted definition provided by most if not every noteworthy English dictionary available is the only definition that works.

Racism is a belief and can be held by any one individual regardless of status or power, just the same way one can be sexist without being in a sociopolitical advantage.

If a white man hates me because I'm black he's a racist. He doesn't have to believe that blacks are inferior.

That's prejudice. If he hates you only because you're black, that is a preconceived opinion not based on actual experience which is the definition of prejudice verbatim. In order to be racist, one has to believe that there is racial hierarchy. Look it up.

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

what the fuck is this, can and will somebody shoot this damn bitch in the head please, dont even look at the face, just look at the hair, look like some martha stewart old white woman shit

im finally starting to see how crackas look at us, not that they fuckin matter but we look at ourselves like we so fly others prolly see us as some type of 3rd world, self hating weirdos, the same way i look at dominicans and all them other dirty "im not black" racial groups, black women look so tacky and trashy and lost wit this shit on they head

why the fuck do you look up to white women when you look so much better than those cavemen, troll under the bridge lookin muthafuckas, it aint a white woman alive that could take away from the beauty of a black woman in any department, seriously, why so backwards, why do we have such a fuckin nordic european idea of beauty, imo, white women are the ugliest women in the world

is it growin up watchin these cracka ass movies and barbie dolls a suttin wtf, when did this weave shit just get stupid like this to the point where we throwin weave in babies heads and shit at birth, like black people just dont got the ability to grow hair, had to be the 90s, its niggas walkin around wit long, natural dreads but somehow our women figure its impossible for them to grow hair? what happened between the 70s and the 90s? was it crack? was it the crack nigga!?!!?

 

[Copper]

This niggas rants are hilarious

 

[jono]

Niggas still on this huh?

I guess prejudice and discrimination don't exist, only racism exists.

What is prejudice?

What is discrimination?

What is racism?

What is the difference between them?

Prejudice = pre-judge, beliefs about a person held based on the group they belong to

Examples: "women can't drive", "blacks don't read", " all Asians know Kung fu"

Discrimination = treating people differently because they belong to a certain group (beliefs + actions)

Examples: women should pay more for health insurance, you must be 18 years old to vote

Racism = discrimination(beliefs + action[power]) based on race.

Examples: the internment of the Japanese during WWII, police officers pulling over Black drivers at a rate much higher than other races

The difference is that prejudices are something everyone has. You may dislike whites but not do them any harm because either you can't or the dislike is not that great.

In order to discriminate you must openly take actions based on prejudiced beliefs and if those are based on race then it is racist.

Recap: racism = prejudice + power (actions) or discrimination based on race. (This is also true for ageism, sexism etc)

Using racist colloquially is fine. We can say Bill O'Reilly is a racist in normal conversation and it's all good but if I were writing a scholarly paper on it I'd say he was prejudiced or flatly call him a bigot. To my knowledge he hasn't actively done anything against black people except express his own system of beliefs...now could spreading that system of beliefs in itself be racist? That's open for discussion because he does have power and a bully pulpit that he uses when he wants.

The principle idea here is that you never know what someone's beliefs are you can only make inferences. To assume you KNOW someone's beliefs due to inferences is wrong headed, it's much better if you have a solid example.

 

[LUClEN]

Niggas still on this huh?

I guess prejudice and discrimination don't exist, only racism exists.

What is prejudice?

What is discrimination?

What is racism?

What is the difference between them?

Prejudice = pre-judge, beliefs about a person held based on the group they belong to

Examples: "women can't drive", "blacks don't read", " all Asians know Kung fu"

Discrimination = treating people differently because they belong to a certain group (beliefs + actions)

Examples: women should pay more for health insurance, you must be 18 years old to vote

Racism = discrimination(beliefs + action[power]) based on race.

Examples: the internment of the Japanese during WWII, police officers pulling over Black drivers at a rate much higher than other races

The difference is that prejudices are something everyone has. You may dislike whites but not do them any harm because either you can't or the dislike is not that great.

In order to discriminate you must openly take actions based on prejudiced beliefs and if those are based on race then it is racist.

Recap: racism = prejudice + power (actions) or discrimination based on race. (This is also true for ageism, sexism etc)

Using racist colloquially is fine. We can say Bill O'Reilly is a racist in normal conversation and it's all good but if I were writing a scholarly paper on it I'd say he was prejudiced or flatly call him a bigot. To my knowledge he hasn't actively done anything against black people except express his own system of beliefs...now could spreading that system of beliefs in itself be racist? That's open for discussion because he does have power and a bully pulpit that he uses when he wants.

The principle idea here is that you never know what someone's beliefs are you can only make inferences. To assume you KNOW someone's beliefs due to inferences is wrong headed, it's much better if you have a solid example.

There are scholars who would say he is racist simply for being a White American and receiving the benefits and privileges that come along with it.

 

[Bodhi]

Prejudice = pre-judge, beliefs about a person held based on the group they belong to

Examples: "women can't drive", "blacks don't read", " all Asians know Kung fu"

These are stereotypes, not examples of prejudice. prejudice is preconceived opinions. "all Asians know kung fu" is not an opinion. It is presented as fact; an image.

 

[Copper]

was it crack? was it the crack nigga!?!!?

This random ass rhetorical question had me rolling