Pusha-T Says Big Daddy Kane Is Better Than Rakim?

[waterproof]

Interesting quote from this other site:http://www.egotripland.com/rakim-big-daddy-kane-beef-r-a-the-rugged-man/

Kane is a battle mc. That is what you were hearing in "Raw", Set it Off, "Aint no half stepping. rhyming over slow beats and fast beats. Rakim is not in that league. As Moe Dee said "Kane would have DESTROYED him in a battle on stage".

I'll leave you with this. In an interview with Kool Moe Dee, he was asked about that same question, "Who win in a battle between Rakim and Kane". His reply went like this : "In a battle on record, I think Rakim would win. In a battle on stage with both going back and forth, Kane would DESTROY Rakim.

@DillaDeaf here's the interview when Kool Moe Dee said that quote and talked about Nas vs Jay-z and other hip-hop shit like the trinity of emcee's i dope ass interview for hip-hop headshttp://community.allhiphop.com/disc...2-on-the-great-emcee-battles-of-the-80#latest

 

[waterproof]

Melle Mel is the grandmaster of all this shit and Grandmaster Caz is the father of kane and kane birthed jay-z..

My goat list..PAC, Nas, Rakim, Melle Mel, Moe Dee, Kane, Krs, DOC, Cube, Grandmaster Caz

Thats a ill ass goat list b. But to stay on topic. Both are in my top five but as an overall mc I gotta go with kane cause of his live performances. Like Pusha said, Kane has the whole package. Chuck is in his own lane because of the serious political content.

you cant grow wrong with Kane in the top 5 of all times he can go from the cipher to the stage ans demolish whoever

 

[antarticp]

that would be a good battle ... rakim and bdk are both my top faves but rakim is def @ the top of my list .... based on catalog .... bdk kind of fell off early ... rakim lasted a lil longer ... but a battle ... not sure .... bdk got mad flows and charisma ..... rakim is like nas more laid back but a deep thinker so you NEVER KNOW !! but def would be an epic battle ...

 

[unspoken_respect]

That's his opinion. I don't like how they acted like what he said was soooo explosive. This is Kane were taking about here. Goat MC.

To me Rakim had a different presence then Kane. A more serious, don't approach me demeanor.

If I was a rapper I would want that vibe Rakim has and that's how I compare them.

But really, how can they be ranked lyrically?

 

[unspoken_respect]

The Seventh Seal is mad slept on.

 

[Muhannad]

The Seventh Seal is mad slept on.

Yeah I was just spinning that three days ago. Seventh Seal > The Master IMO. Production could've been better though but I guess he didn't have the budget. Lyrically that album was on point with a few standout tracks. Notice how real emcees don't need 100 features and can carry an album by themself and drop a cohesive album with well executed concepts.

 

[real_hh_rep]

Chuck d is better than both of them. Lets be honest for a second. Neither Kane or rakim dropped a "classic" album. Kane and Rakim are severely overrated. Chuck d is more lyrical, has more technical rhyme schemes and dropped more black knowledge than both of them combined. Chuck d is one of the first rappers to have 24 plus bar verses and 5 verses in a song. Chuck d been rapping like that since 1982. That public enemy #1 song on they debut album was written in 82 and put on wax in 83 way before the so called god mc allegedly brought forth lyrical raps. He stole his whole style from chuck d but he will never tell you that. Kane is overrated too. He dropped a few bangers. That's it. Niggas want to talk shit about hammer being a sellout but forget how Kane switched his style every year in the 90s. First he was a Casanova then he turned new jack then he turned into a gangster rapper. That's not goat moves to me.

I agree. Chuck D was dropping multis and internal rhymes long before Rakim & Kane came. Shit, Yo! Bum Rush The Show came before Paid in Full and Long Live the Kane. Dude has more classic under his belt, bigger influence and putting lyrical content aside (which is nothing short than impressive even 25 years since their debut came out), better technique. I dare anybody to find something better than Chuck's verse in Welcome to Terrordome:

Lazer anastasia maze ya

Ways to blaze your brain and train ya

The way I'm livin', forgiven'

What I'm givin' up

X on the flex hit me now

I don't know about later

As for now I know how to avoid the paranoid

Man I've had it up to here

Gear I wear got 'em goin' in fear

Rhetoric said

Read just a bit ago

Not quittin' though

Signed the hard rhymer

Work to keep from gettin' jerked

Changin' some ways

To way back in the better days

Raw metaphysically bold

Never followed a code

Still dropped a load

Never question what I am God knows

Cause it's comin' from the heart

What I got better get some

(Get on up) hustler of culture

Snakebitten

Been spit in the face

But the rhymes keep fittin'

Respects been givin' how's ya livin'

Now I can't protect a pad off defect

Check the record

An reckon an intentional wreck

Played off as some intellect

Made the call, took the fall

Broke the laws

Not my fault they're fallin' off

Known as fair square

Throughout my years

So I growl at the livin' foul

Black to the bone my home is your home

So welcome to the Terrordome

Subordinate terror

Kickin' off an era

Cold deliverin' pain

My 98 was 87 on a record yo

So now I go Bronco

Not to mention flow. Versatile, commanding , hitting all types of notes, contrary to smooth and one-dimensional voice of Rakim.

Still, between those 2 , I would pick Rakim. Big Daddy Kane fucked it up with awful sell-out singles and rap ballads.

 

[usmarin3]

I do feel Kane is a more complete and entertaining mc, Rakim is the better lyricist and better catalog. I will always give catalog > anything else.

 

[janklow]

Dude has more classic under his belt, bigger influence and putting lyrical content aside (which is nothing short than impressive even 25 years since their debut came out), better technique

alright, how many PE albums are we calling classic in this scenario? and honestly, our personal preferences aside, you can't really say Chuck D has more influence than Rakim/Kane, because in the end, rappers just do not cite him as their big influence(s).

content is what it is; i don't think anyone argues Chuck D had nothing to say. and man, did he love that Oldsmobile

 

[ohhhla]

Dude has more classic under his belt, bigger influence and putting lyrical content aside (which is nothing short than impressive even 25 years since their debut came out), better technique

alright, how many PE albums are we calling classic in this scenario? and honestly, our personal preferences aside, you can't really say Chuck D has more influence than Rakim/Kane, because in the end, rappers just do not cite him as their big influence(s).

content is what it is; i don't think anyone argues Chuck D had nothing to say. and man, did he love that Oldsmobile

Here we go and watch what's going to happened in 5 posts.

 

[real_hh_rep]

Dude has more classic under his belt, bigger influence and putting lyrical content aside (which is nothing short than impressive even 25 years since their debut came out), better technique

alright, how many PE albums are we calling classic in this scenario? and honestly, our personal preferences aside, you can't really say Chuck D has more influence than Rakim/Kane, because in the end, rappers just do not cite him as their big influence(s).

content is what it is; i don't think anyone argues Chuck D had nothing to say. and man, did he love that Oldsmobile

It Takes a Nation, Yo! Bum Rush the Show, Fear of a Black Planet, Apocalypse Now - all classic. Not by Reason standard, but recognized by musicologists and critics all around the world. Those albums are always included on best lists whenever it's rock, hip-hop or other genre magazine. Chuck D rewrote all rules concerning hip-hop and music generally, making it most powerful force since hippie era. That's definitely more than Kane and Rakim did,

 

[CoolJoe]

Rakim>G Rap>Kane

 

[janklow]

It Takes a Nation, Yo! Bum Rush the Show, Fear of a Black Planet, Apocalypse Now - all classic. Not by Reason standard, but recognized by musicologists and critics all around the world. Those albums are always included on best lists whenever it's rock, hip-hop or other genre magazine.

i really, really need to see a current list that includes Yo! Bum Rush The Show and Apocalypse 91 as classic/best of albums, as i don't think i've ever seen that. no one's arguing over It Takes A Nation or Fear Of A Black Planet, but by my count, that makes two.

Chuck D rewrote all rules concerning hip-hop and music generally

seems a little odd for the guy not making the music to be getting ALL the rule-rewriting credit... but look, you know what i really want? a list of rappers talking about the influence Chuck D had on them.

 

[GSonII]

Kool Moe Dee was just as good as either one of those two.

 

[scrapper1]

Kane is dope so i respect the opinion.. i could see if he said Fat Joe or something.