Official ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC THREAD

[BOSS KTULU]

I guess my mistake was assuming that you knew what the general perception of Earth's origins were by the scientific community.

The stellar evolution of this star system and gravity pulling the planetary nebula into separate planets over billions of years.

Yes, I know some about this. I'm not an astrophysicist or anything, but I know that we have a fine idea of how the planet came to be and that nobody can produce mathematical data to show that it's statistically improbable for such a thing to happen. That's how I know you got conned by some preacher.

And fiat money just sonned you into oblivion by showing how disingenuine you've been getting. You started a convo and you're mad that we're asking you to support your position. You even asked us to do it for you. Hilarious.

 

[blakfyahking]

I think our definition and understandin of what god is seriously mistaken, i don't believe god is a being, spirit,etc. To me god is more of a consciousness, and essentially we have the power to be god. After all, when leave our physical bodies all that is left is our soul and consciousness, i just believe it's working it's way towards the source we call "god". When people say you have an old soul, it's a person who has lived many a lives and are at a higher level of consciousness.

this is some real talk, I could cosign this

just like how the concept of souls are in human beings

how did we become the premier organism on the planet out of all the other living organisms that have the ability to evolve?

souls and spirituality has to count for something IMO

 

[BOSS KTULU]

how did we become the premier organism on the planet out of all the other living organisms that have the ability to evolve?

We're not. We're outnumbered by bacteria and they can kill us with ease. Bacteria are the premiere organism, if you have to pick one.

 

[BEAM]

The stellar evolution of this star system and gravity pulling the planetary nebula into separate planets over billions of years.

Yes, I know some about this. I'm not an astrophysicist or anything, but I know that we have a fine idea of how the planet came to be and that nobody can produce mathematical data to show that it's statistically improbable for such a thing to happen. That's how I know you got conned by some preacher.

And fiat money just sonned you into oblivion by showing how disingenuine you've been getting. You started a convo and you're mad that we're asking you to support your position. You even asked us to do it for you. Hilarious.

I'm not even talking about the formation of Earth, but rather the origin of life on Earth. hence the "intra" part you've been conveniently ignoring.

Fiat didn't son me on shit. I responded to what he said.
He's been misinterpreting. I already called him on it.
Try to keep up.

My position isn't based in the presentation. My mentioning the presentation was a side note, of very small relevance to the umbrella question I asked in the first place. You've switched the focus here, and you want to find some fault in what I've said.

Only thing is, I saw the presentation and you didn't.
You want me to provide you with proof (that being first hand research) that I myself never even experienced. I saw the presentation, I didn't look it up myself. It was an experience, not a documentation. A testimony, nothing I'm claiming as fact. That's why I'm not arguing it directly. That's why my thread wasn't focused around it.

And besides, I responded to the stat he wanted me to post. But he didn't even respond to it. Figures.

 

[blakfyahking]

We're not. We're outnumbered by bacteria and they can kill us with ease. Bacteria are the premiere organism, if you have to pick one.

that is subjective based on the meaning you use for the word "premier".

I mean premier in the sense that we have the ability to totally destroy and alter this world vs the many other organisms that exists on this planet. even we have formulated ways to kills types of bacteria.

why were humans chosen to evolve to this level of sentience and intelligence about themselves vs other animals?

the seeming randomness of it does open the convo up to contemplate whether there was some type of intelligent design involved

true scientists accept the idea of opposing plausible theories guy LOL

 

[BEAM]

that is subjective based on the meaning you use for the word "premier".

I mean premier in the sense that we have the ability to totally destroy and alter this world vs the many other organisms that exists on this planet. even we have formulated ways to kills types of bacteria.

why were humans chosen to evolve to this level of sentience and intelligence about themselves vs other animals?

the seeming randomness of it does open the convo up to contemplate whether there was some type of intelligent design involved

true scientists accept the idea of opposing plausible theories guy LOL

Exactly.

That's all the presentation I mentioned suggested. A more intentional design.

It doesn't mean God.

It could mean a foreign life-form brought here from another planet.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

BEAM, you keep using really vague terms and then saying "No, I'm talking about something much narrower in scope than what I obviously suggested with my broad language."

And you did NOT post the statistical info Fiat asked for. You pulled a number out of your ass and said "It has something to do with this, but I don't remember." You don't even know the name of the presenter? Where was it presented? And for what audience? Did you just walk in on some guy talking by coincidence?

 

[BOSS KTULU]

why were humans chosen to evolve to this level of sentience and intelligence about themselves vs other animals?

Why are you assuming we were chosen? See, you are starting from an unsupported presupposition.

he seeming randomness of it does open the convo up to contemplate whether there was some type of intelligent design involved

Randomness implies no designer. You can't even get your creationist propaganda right.

true scientists accept the idea of opposing plausible theories guy LOL

"True scientists" await evidence for your hypothesis. You present none.

 

[fiat_money]

No, the presentation isn't why I believe in God.

The presentation is why I don't believe in intra random chance wielding such a specific and fine tuned result with formidable longevity and adaptation.

The presentation was nearly a relevant tangent, not proof of my own beliefs. But I've already explained this to KTULU so...

I wanted you all to address the umbrella question I posed in the beginning.

Some people caught on to that.

I can see you didn't. Not my fault.

*kanye shrug*

Surely you're not refering to the rather weak question of "Is it a disbelief in God, or a disbelief in God as religions depict?"? For if one is an atheist, then of course they don't believe in any form of god, just by the definition of atheism. Pointless question for atheists to answer.

Maybe you should've directed your question towards agnostics, "nonbelievers", and possibly non-religious theists?

 

[BEAM]

BEAM, you keep using really vague terms and then saying "No, I'm talking about something much narrower in scope than what I obviously suggested with my broad language."

And you did NOT post the statistical info Fiat asked for. You pulled a number out of your ass and said "It has something to do with this, but I don't remember." You don't even know the name of the presenter? Where was it presented? And for what audience? Did you just walk in on some guy talking by coincidence?

No, fam. You and a couple others have narrowed in on a side-note. I've covered all of the linguistics. You're just deciding not to see it. I even admitted where i was a bit vague.

Like I said before, you're swerving around the entirety of my responses at nit-picking and specific phrases, conveniently taking them out of context.

And the number was legit. I prefaced it, and then presented it. I was probably lacking a few zeros, but that doesn't help you much.

You want me to provide irrelevant material so that you can continue to nit-pick.

smh...

Surely you're not refering to the rather weak question of "Is it a disbelief in God, or a disbelief in God as religions depict?"? For if one is an atheist, then of course they don't believe in any form of god, just by the definition of atheism. Pointless question for atheists to answer.

Maybe you should've directed your question towards agnostics, "nonbelievers", and possibly non-religious theists?

Weak question?

I was questioning exactly what it is that they don't believe in.

I was asking exactly which genre of God they're opposed to. I never took away they're opposition, I just questioned which God they're rejecting. that doesn't suggest that I think they believe in the opposite option...

It's like asking a vegetarian which meat/ which concept converted them.

There are options.

I was asking for specifics.

You're trying to catch me on something that's not there.
If I was wrong, I'd admit it.
Stop yourself.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

I was probably lacking a few zeros

That's extremely significant.

Basic math.

 

[The_African]

For the athiests and non-believers ::

Would you say that you firmly believe that God doesn't exist?

Or rather that he doesn't exist as any religion depicts him/her?

My personal opinion ::

I'm a highly logical person, so naturally I found flaw in religion early. Too much of it just doesn't make any sense and conforms to flawed views of life and human existence.

But honestly, I still believe that there is a divine being. Not so much the terms that any religion upholds; but in terms of It's existence, yes, I believe that to be very true. Personally.

Proof?

Well compare that possibility to the calculated likelihood of everything around you existing as it is entirely by chance. Have you seen Those numbers? Yeah, Proposing this world as an act of random happenings is even more ridiculous than some religions.

What do you think?

Is it a disbelief in God, or a disbelief in God as religions depict?

I don't believe in any non-material entities. As far as I can reason, the very concept of a non-material entity is theoretically impossible. I go where the evidence takes me.

 

[BEAM]

That's extremely significant.

Basic math.

The extra zero's would have even further justified the improbability, in an "extremely significant" way.

Look. I'm done here.

I was unclear, then i cleared it all up.

But you and Fiat are just going to persist.

It's a waste of my time...

Sorry to generalize you, but you two are just like all of the other online personalities that I've encountered that just can't admit taking an L. I'm not even talking about by my hands, but in general.

It's not that I dislike you as a member of this community, but you kinda make it hard for me to seriously engage with you when you insist on honing in on little phrases, words, and fragments to cater to your trying to prove something irrelevant.

/Thread.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

I think the question of the existence of a supreme being is relevant today.

You're just mad we called you out on your hilarious lack of support for your claim.

"Uh... uh... I saw a presentation... um... I don't know who did it.... hurf durf... I don't know where it was or when it happened... I was high..."

Lame.

 

[BEAM]

I don't believe in any non-material entities. As far as I can reason, the very concept of a non-material entity is theoretically impossible. I go where the evidence takes me.

Stopped at "theoretically impossible".

Not really, but that did stick out.

 

[BEAM]

I think the question of the existence of a supreme being is relevant today.

You're just mad we called you out on your hilarious lack of support for your claim.

"Uh... uh... I saw a presentation... um... I don't know who did it.... hurf durf... I don't know where it was or when it happened... I was high..."

Lame.

I'm not mad about anything.

I already said I didn't have the info stored on my comp to pull it up and link to.

If anything, like I said, you guys can look it up just like I can.

There's no difference between me looking it up and posting the link here, and you going and looking for it yourself.

But I did witness this presentation. or rather, this information.

It happened. That's all I said.

You've been basing everything around it.

I simply relayed what it communicated.

Get over it.

You think you have some kind of power because I'm not posting a link.

If I myself had researched and proposed it, then yeah, you'd have a point.

It was a presentation of info done by someone else.

I've only testified to having witnessed it. That's all I've "claimed".

 

[BOSS KTULU]

How can we look it up when you've given us ZERO information about it? Where was it held? When? By whom? For whom?

Is it a hazy childhood memory of yours?

 

[BEAM]

How can we look it up when you've given us ZERO information about it? Where was it held? When? By whom? For whom?

Is it a hazy childhood memory of yours?

It wasn't a televised event or anything, fam.

It was information that was found and then presented in a lecture during school this past summer.

Just info, no interpretation, just presentation of found info.

Those were the constraints of the assignment.

But that's what I've been saying.

The fact that it was a presentation is irrelevant.

It's information, that's what counts.

That's why I've been telling you to look it up yourself.

You have as much info as I do.

If anything, I'd just Google "evolution probability" or something along those lines and go from there.

It is there.

I just don't have it on hand.

You don't have a point.

Stop arguing with me.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

Okay, so we're getting somehwere. It was in school during the summer. So is this regular summer classes or Vacation Bible School? College, perhaps? And who found it? And why did they share it with you? And why are you so convinced of its authority if you remember nothing important about it?

But more to the point, when you consider the vastness of the universe, the probability of life cropping up on a planet is not actually small. The universe is so large that scientists (and ones I can name, if you like) calculate that there's many worlds with life on them out there.

 

[BEAM]

But just to ease your pain.

here.

I Googled it.

It was THE FIRST LINK that came up.

Read the part about Amino Acids towards the bottom.

That is the info that was presented to me.

http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=590