Official ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC THREAD

[Question Authority]

I wouldn't say that I "believe" there is no God because to "believe" would imply some sort of faith. I simply do not believe in the existence of a God.

I don't see any evidence (or need) for a divine creator anywhere in the universe. To believe in some heavenly father figure seems like just a way to avoid responsibility for ourselves and our actions.

 

[BEAM]

I can safely say i don't think a deity exists.

And also, given how big the Universe is (infinite and all), the occurring of the circumstances that created life on Earth are quite feasible.

Think of it terms of exactly sequential everything would have had to have happened to arrive where we are now.

Likely? Yes.

Probable? No.

But that's just my opinion, based upon a presentation I witnessed not too long ago.

But contrary to popular studies, "random acts" having such an exact result is just... no.

 

[CapitalB]

i dont believe in a devine "bein" ..i believe in a higher authority.. that supersedes man's laws and religion..
i like to call it Karma..

other then that.. i can careless.. i will say evolution/science makes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more sense then religion when it comes to man and the animals and nature..

 

[a.mann]

this to the dome

who motherfuckers praying to?

God, L.Ron Hubbard or can't NOTHING save your ass now????

 

[usmarin3]

I think our definition and understandin of what god is seriously mistaken, i don't believe god is a being, spirit,etc. To me god is more of a consciousness, and essentially we have the power to be god. After all, when leave our physical bodies all that is left is our soul and consciousness, i just believe it's working it's way towards the source we call "god". When people say you have an old soul, it's a person who has lived many a lives and are at a higher level of consciousness.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

Likely? Yes.

Probable? No.

Likely and probable mean the same thing. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Amadeus1]

I thought it was a well known fact that the flying speghetti monster created the universe around us!

 

[BEAM]

No, I have never seen anyone calculate the statistical probability of the universe existing with or without a god.

You are repeating something you heard word-of-mouth without ever considering it had no underlying support.

It wasn't about the universe or God.

It was an attempt to calculate the likelihood of what the scientific community generally believes to be how things got started here.

 

[fiat_money]

...
Well compare that possibility to the calculated likelihood of everything around you existing as it is entirely by chance. Have you seen Those numbers? Yeah, Proposing this world as an act of random happenings is even more ridiculous than some religions.
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You're doing what most religions do (and what they have done for thousands of years), which is crediting that which is presently unknown to the existence of some form of deity.

I don't try to explain things which are natural with something that is supernatural.

Regardless, I would still like to see these numbers you speak of.

 

[BEAM]

Likely and probable mean the same thing. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You're right. I should have said possible instead of likely.

But not knowing what I'm talking about?

Move along.

Are you still upset about yesterday?

 

[Shuffington]

Do you believe in a supernatural intelligence who created the earth and also sticks around to intervene in HUMAN affairs.(answering prayers, punishing n*ggas..shyt like that)
or is this supernatural intelligence confined to just setting up the laws that govern our universe. No intervening.

or neither ?

 

[BOSS KTULU]

It wasn't about the universe or God.

It was an attempt to calculate the likelihood of what the scientific community generally believes to be how things got started here.

Then it was about the universe and you said this talk was related to God.

Contradictory ass nigga.

 

[fiat_money]

this to the dome

who motherfuckers praying to?

God, L.Ron Hubbard or can't NOTHING save your ass now????

Why would I have to pray in this situation? I'd either fight back or die trying.

 

[BEAM]

You're doing what most religions do (and what they have done for thousands of years), which is crediting that which is presently unknown to the existence of some form of deity.

I don't try to explain things which are natural with something that is supernatural.

Regardless, I would still like to see these numbers you speak of.

Sure. It's a belief, not something I'm claiming as fact.

I took the presentation as a life experience.

I don't have that info documented, but I was there and entirely attentive for the presentation.

Do your own research.
My not having a link on hand isn't going to debunk anything here.

 

[BEAM]

Then it was about the universe and you said this talk was related to God.

Contradictory ass nigga.

HERE, as in on Earth.

I never said that the presentation had anything to do with God.

*sigh*

You're generalizing, yet again...

 

[BOSS KTULU]

HERE, as in on Earth.

I never said that the presentation had anything to do with God.

*sigh*

You're generalizing, yet again...

Read your own posts. You said you believe in a god because you saw "somebody" calculate the probability of "everything around you existing" which is so vague that in any serious discussion of metaphysics it must mean the universe and not the Earth alone.


Post the numbers and tell us WHO did this "presentation" you're talking about. They're obviously a proponent of god belief.

 

[CapitalB]

god didnt create man in his image.. man created god in his!
/thread

 

[fiat_money]

Sure. It's a belief, not something I'm claiming as fact.

I took the presentation as a life experience.

I don't have that info documented, but I was there and entirely attentive for the presentation.

Do your own research.
My not having a link on hand is going to debunk anything here.

I assumed if you implied that such numbers held significance, you'd at least have ballpark figures to support your inference of their significance. Why else ask "Have you seen Those numbers?" if you don't know what "those numbers" are?

Other than that, your reasoning seems to follow the classic rationale of various religions: "X is observed in nature. The observer cannot explain X using knowledge of nature. Therefore X must be the product of something external to nature. If that which is external to nature is supernatural. Then X is a product of something supernatural.".

 

[CapitalB]

god didnt create man in his image.. man created god in his!
/thread

I co'sign this POWERFUL POST! lol

 

[BEAM]

Read your own posts. You said you believe in a god because you saw "somebody" calculate the probability of "everything around you existing" which is so vague that in any serious discussion of metaphysics it must mean the universe and not the Earth alone.



Post the numbers and tell us WHO did this "presentation" you're talking about. They're obviously a proponent of god belief.

My belief in God isn't related to the presentation.

However, my disbelief in everything around us being an act entirely or "random chance", is.

I never said existing, I said existing as it is, here.

I already told the other guy.

The presentation was an experience for me, not something I read and took notes on.

I don't have it documented. But my not being able to just whip out a link isn't going to debunk anything I'm saying.

Look it up yourself.