Official ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC THREAD

[CapitalB]

What is better than eternal bliss? Nothing. But a slice of bread is better than nothing. So a slice of bread is better than eternal bliss.

that was deep!
mind if i borrow that?!!?

 

[The Jackal]

You can't rule the possiblilty of a God existing completly out but you can for the most part do that for gods of religions

 

[BEAM]

I assumed if you implied that such numbers held significance, you'd at least have ballpark figures to support your inference of their significance. Why else ask "Have you seen Those numbers?" if you don't know what "those numbers" are?

Other than that, your reasoning seems to follow the classic rationale of various religions: "X is observed in nature. The observer cannot explain X using knowledge of nature. Therefore X must be the product of something external to nature. If that which is external to nature is supernatural. Then X is a product of something supernatural.".

This isn't about My belief in God. I mentioned my belief, but 1) it's just a belief and 2) my belief isn't what the thread is about.

And as far as ballpark figures ::

The presentation dealt with the possibility of the Earth being so supportive of such activity as to produce life via amino acids, the likelihood of them finding each other, the likelihood of them being able to meticulously create "life", the likelihood of that life surviving and then multiplying, and then forming and adapting, etc etc...

Compounding factors and circumstances.

The figure for how likely things happened this way was something along the lines of ::

0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000125.

 

[BEAM]

god didnt create man in his image.. man created god in his!

/thread

Exactly. And presto! you have religion.

We're talking about a God void of religion.

 

[usmarin3]

why don't religious people ever talk about the Book of Nephilim

 

[kzzl]

i can firmly say that i don't know. i would say that WE don't know, but obviously people feel differently about it.

i can also say firmly that i don't trust what's depicted of him. the heart of man has show without fail that he can't be trusted.

 

[BEAM]

why don't religious people ever talk about the Book of Nephilim

Expound please.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

The presentation dealt with the possibility of the Earth being so supportive of such activity as to produce life via amino acids, the likelihood of them finding each other, the likelihood of them being able to meticulously create "life", the likelihood of that life surviving and then multiplying, and then forming and adapting, etc etc...

Compounding factors and circumstances.

The figure for how likely things happened this way was something along the lines of ::

0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000125.

WHO did these calculations and where did they get their data?

You should know that Fiat Money and myself have heard this argument before and you people are never able to say where you got your information. It's consistently disappointing.

And you should stop saying "this isn't about my belief in God" when you've repeatedly said that it actually is and you clearly put "God" in the thread title.

 

[usmarin3]

Expound please.

It's the book the precedes the book of Genesis, talks about angels fucking beautiful human girls and having seeds which were giants. Some people believe they weren't angels that had sex with humans but creatures from out of space (aliens), the stories would explain the Greek goods that are spoken about in Greek mythology. Alot of human hystory is really perversed imo, i believe alot of these mythical stories you hear about (Atlantis and the pyramids) did exist in history; just buried under water (the biblical floods).

 

[BEAM]

WHO did these calculations and where did they get their data?

You should know that Fiat Money and myself have heard this argument before and you people are never able to say where you got your information. It's consistently disappointing.

And you should stop saying "this isn't about my belief in God" when you've repeatedly said that it actually is and you clearly put "God" in the thread title.

Oh dear me, I'm so sorry I don't have the isht on hand for you.
Like I said, the presentation was a life experience, not a scientifically documented one.
The info is out there, I witnessed it. Only thing is, I didn't look the it up when I got home.

You look it up your damn self and quit nagging me about it.

And the thread isn't about MY belief in God. It's about your belief in your God. And by "your", I mean anyone who responds.

I've never said, "Gais, this thread is about my belief in God, so let's talk about that."

The thread is about a religious belief in God vs Belief in a God that is beyond our religious ways.

Get it together.

 

[The Jackal]

It's the book the precedes the book of Genesis, talks about angels fucking beautiful human girls and having seeds which were giants. Some people believe they weren't angels that had sex with humans but creatures from out of space (aliens), the stories would explain the Greek goods that are spoken about in Greek mythology. Alot of human hystory is really perversed imo, i believe alot of these mythical stories you hear about (Atlantis and the pyramids) did exist in history; just buried under water (the biblical floods).

Actually they do. In most cases they refer to them as fallen angels

 

[BEAM]

It's the book the precedes the book of Genesis, talks about angels fucking beautiful human girls and having seeds which were giants. Some people believe they weren't angels that had sex with humans but creatures from out of space (aliens), the stories would explain the Greek goods that are spoken about in Greek mythology. Alot of human hystory is really perversed imo, i believe alot of these mythical stories you hear about (Atlantis and the pyramids) did exist in history; just buried under water (the biblical floods).

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

Oh dear me

lol

anyway, you're coming in here saying "I saw this thing that mathematically proves a god must have created the Earth, but I can't remember a single important detail about it, what are your thoughts?"

My thoughts are that you got conned by some persuasive preacher.

There's no evidence that the Earth was manifested by a supernatural being, mathematical or otherwise. If there were, you could quite easily post it. Telling us to look up support for your position might as well be an admission of defeat, dummy.

 

[BEAM]

lol

anyway, you're coming in here saying "I saw this thing that mathematically proves a god must have created the Earth, but I can't remember a single important detail about it, what are your thoughts?"

My thoughts are that you got conned by some persuasive preacher.

There's no evidence that the Earth was manifested by a supernatural being, mathematical or otherwise. If there were, you could quite easily post it. Telling us to look up support for your position might as well be an admission of defeat, dummy.

Are you really that dense?

Listen.

-I saw a presentation.
-It supposedly supported mathematics that disproved the likelihood of things existing as they are happening entirely by chance, by way of extreme improbability.

That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

NOW. My belief isn't credited to this presentation, because God was neither a factor, or the proposed answer.

My belief in God was my own indulging of the question, "Then what did happen?"
Not so much that it happened right there, but that the presentation helped me realize how blatantly improbable intra random chance is as an answer to why we're here.

The answer could have been an amoeba from a falling meteorite or something.

I just chose God.

But like I said, it's only my belief.

I didn't tag it to the presentation.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

disproved the likelihood of things existing as they are happening entirely by chance

This can only mean intervention by an incredible power, AKA, a god.

 

[BEAM]

This can only mean intervention by an incredible power, AKA, a god.

No. That's the conclusion you're rushing to.

If you were paying attention, I used the prefix "intra" in my response. That's the important part.

I guess my mistake was assuming that you knew what the general perception of Earth's origins were by the scientific community.

My bad. Yet again, I've over-estimated you. Never again.

 

[fiat_money]

Oh dear me, I'm so sorry I don't have the isht on hand for you.
Like I said, the presentation was a life experience, not a scientifically documented one.
The info is out there, I witnessed it. Only thing is, I didn't look the it up when I got home.

You look it up your damn self and quit nagging me about it.

And the thread isn't about MY belief in God. It's about your belief in your God. And by "your", I mean anyone who responds.

I've never said, "Gais, this thread is about my belief in God, so let's talk about that."

The thread is about a religious belief in God vs Belief in a God that is beyond our religious ways.

Get it together.

You addressed a question to atheists and "nonbelievers":

For the athiests and non-believers ::

Would you say that you firmly believe that God doesn't exist?

You stated "proof" for your own beliefs:

Proof?

Well compare that possibility to the calculated likelihood of everything around you existing as it is entirely by chance.

You asked the addressed parties if they were familiar with your "proof:

Have you seen Those numbers?

And you asked the parties addressed what they thought:

What do you think?

Surely you did not think the addressed parties would not respond to the your statements/questions?

Perhaps you worded your opening post incorrectly?

 

[The_Introvert]

Look at all these little intelligent apes arguing the existence of a being they've never seen nor met.

Homo-sapiens Lost.

 

[American matt]

beam is going to hell

 

[BEAM]

You addressed a question to atheists and "nonbelievers":

You stated "proof" for your own beliefs:

You asked the addressed parties if they were familiar with your "proof:

And you asked the parties addressed what they thought:

Surely you did not think the addressed parties would not respond to the your statements/questions?

Perhaps you worded your opening post incorrectly?

No, the presentation isn't why I believe in God.

The presentation is why I don't believe in intra random chance wielding such a specific and fine tuned result with formidable longevity and adaptation.

The presentation was nearly a relevant tangent, not proof of my own beliefs. But I've already explained this to KTULU so...

I wanted you all to address the umbrella question I posed in the beginning.

Some people caught on to that.

I can see you didn't. Not my fault.

*kanye shrug*