DoUwant2go2Heaven
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EmperorRises;6411089 said:
The evidence you provided doesn't match what you put forth in this thread.
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The evidence you provided doesn't match what you put forth in this thread.
Ajackson17
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Okay let's get back to the topic, remember what I posted.
alissowack
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EmperorRises;6410521 said:alissowack;6410471 said:Hmmm...2013 is almost over. It would be cool if someone did this annually and when next year comes around...lock the thread. Anyway, what I've noticed about the doubts and denouncement of religions is it's centered around morals; whether religions can make you a morally good person and judging from these posts, religious folk have not shown that they are any better off. It's a fair observation and it would not be wrong to point out how hypocritical "we" can be. I also noticed that because religion is supposedly about morality, then it's books should be all about it. So when a book like the Bible is found to have "blood" all on the pages, it's assumed that it's intent is to promote immorality. If the Bible is really about turning bad people into good people, then doubters have every right to denounce it and believers should seriously consider that it is they are believing in. But, I'm here to say that it is not.
That and the constant changes to the scriptures and writings and obivious taking other religions and than have the nerve to denounce them. The 10 commandments, psalms, proverbs all came from the ma'at. Kemet and Ta Seti have truly have been copied and demeaned. Apparently it takes 40 years to become a master in the mystery schools in Africa yet Moses has learned all of it at the age of 40. So you got to think about things like that. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt until you can learn everything in it's fullness.
Just as there are arguments against the authentication of the Bible, there are arguments for it. Some people have shed light on this issue and have done so convincingly that the Bible is authentic. However, when a case is made, it is met with bias; that it is thought to be an agenda behind a person ever considering that the Bible may be authentic. It's true that people can use the Bible to further a selfish cause, but I believe it's easy to...uh...notice the speck in one's eye and pay no attention to the plank in our own eye. I believe there are biases associated with these claims and is not done considering every source...enemy or friendly.
Ajackson17
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There is too much similiarities, I do believe there is historical references for example Hezekiah is referred by Babylonians
alissowack
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@emperorrises. My post was not meant to put you (or I) in a position where we have to post examples. My post is more to say that there are two sides to every argument...and if your conclusions are rooted in just going to your "trusted" sources for the facts, then you haven't fully explored the argument. If this is a non-biased conclusion, then you would hear what the "other side" has to say...and not just those who you know will tell you what you want to hear. The same would apply to me.
Ajackson17
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Yeah, I'm open to that but it's not that type of thread but a thread where atheist/agnostics can be free to talk among each other without any religious talk.
alissowack
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@emperorrises. I think you made a mistake and gave me an "ether" badge. It's fine if all this thread is for is a refuge away from the ignorance of some Bible thumpers, but just don't think that by staying in the circle of friends that you will get all the answers.
The Bible says god is not the author of confusion yet we have over 40,000 christian denominations in the world today believing in different things. So how can god be the author if that much confusion is caused by 1 book? The Bible believers on this forum alone don't even believe the same doctrine.
According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world.
According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world.
Ajackson17
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beenwize;6412999 said:The Bible says god is not the author of confusion yet we have over 40,000 christian denominations in the world today believing in different things. So how can god be the author if that much confusion is caused by 1 book? The Bible believers on this forum alone don't even believe the same doctrine.
According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world.
When you compare it to other religions it's has the biggest sects, that's crazy.
melanated khemist
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alissowack
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beenwize;6412999 said:The Bible says god is not the author of confusion yet we have over 40,000 christian denominations in the world today believing in different things. So how can god be the author if that much confusion is caused by 1 book? The Bible believers on this forum alone don't even believe the same doctrine.
According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world.
I'm interested in knowing what was the standard in which this seminary used to come to this conclusion. Probably something as broad as...looking for crosses in front of buildings, looking biblical names and phrases in the titles of their denomination; whether or not the denomination references the Bible or even have Bibles...stuff that would generate numbers. I'm surprised that it is not higher than that. The confusion in not in the message, but in people's perspectives and worldviews.
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alissowack;6413352 said:beenwize;6412999 said:The Bible says god is not the author of confusion yet we have over 40,000 christian denominations in the world today believing in different things. So how can god be the author if that much confusion is caused by 1 book? The Bible believers on this forum alone don't even believe the same doctrine.
According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world.
I'm interested in knowing what was the standard in which this seminary used to come to this conclusion. Probably something as broad as...looking for crosses in front of buildings, looking biblical names and phrases in the titles of their denomination; whether or not the denomination references the Bible or even have Bibles...stuff that would generate numbers. I'm surprised that it is not higher than that. The confusion in not in the message, but in people's perspectives and worldviews.
Not true @ all. On this forum alone there is arguments amongst believers over things such as is Jesus or is Jesus not god? Is there everlasting hell? What day the sabbath is on? Are we undee the law or not? These are scriptural arguments and not bases on worldview.
alissowack
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beenwize;6413383 said:alissowack;6413352 said:beenwize;6412999 said:The Bible says god is not the author of confusion yet we have over 40,000 christian denominations in the world today believing in different things. So how can god be the author if that much confusion is caused by 1 book? The Bible believers on this forum alone don't even believe the same doctrine.
According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world.
I'm interested in knowing what was the standard in which this seminary used to come to this conclusion. Probably something as broad as...looking for crosses in front of buildings, looking biblical names and phrases in the titles of their denomination; whether or not the denomination references the Bible or even have Bibles...stuff that would generate numbers. I'm surprised that it is not higher than that. The confusion in not in the message, but in people's perspectives and worldviews.
Not true @ all. On this forum alone there is arguments amongst believers over things such as is Jesus or is Jesus not god? Is there everlasting hell? What day the sabbath is on? Are we undee the law or not? These are scriptural arguments and not bases on worldview.
And those are still based on how we view the world. The "whether Jesus is God" thing is based on our understanding of logic...either this or that, but not both. The "What Day Is The Sabbath" thing is based on what we understand about rules...what to abide by and how we should abide by them. The "whether there is a Hell" is based on our understanding of punishment for wrongdoing. Some people feel very strongly about what the perceive so when they read the Bible, those perspectives are coupled with what the Bible says which can distort...or confuse.
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alissowack;6413472 said:beenwize;6413383 said:alissowack;6413352 said:beenwize;6412999 said:The Bible says god is not the author of confusion yet we have over 40,000 christian denominations in the world today believing in different things. So how can god be the author if that much confusion is caused by 1 book? The Bible believers on this forum alone don't even believe the same doctrine.
According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world.
I'm interested in knowing what was the standard in which this seminary used to come to this conclusion. Probably something as broad as...looking for crosses in front of buildings, looking biblical names and phrases in the titles of their denomination; whether or not the denomination references the Bible or even have Bibles...stuff that would generate numbers. I'm surprised that it is not higher than that. The confusion in not in the message, but in people's perspectives and worldviews.
Not true @ all. On this forum alone there is arguments amongst believers over things such as is Jesus or is Jesus not god? Is there everlasting hell? What day the sabbath is on? Are we undee the law or not? These are scriptural arguments and not bases on worldview.
And those are still based on how we view the world. The "whether Jesus is God" thing is based on our understanding of logic...either this or that, but not both. The "What Day Is The Sabbath" thing is based on what we understand about rules...what to abide by and how we should abide by them. The "whether there is a Hell" is based on our understanding of punishment for wrongdoing. Some people feel very strongly about what the perceive so when they read the Bible, those perspectives are coupled with what the Bible says which can distort...or confuse.
Go ramble elsewhere. all those areguments are about what scripture teaches. christians will go against each other using different scripture to prove Jesus is god or that he is not god. Clearly that's confusion.
I think people who expect the bible to make people good have a misunderstanding of what that book is for, believing in god does not make you a good person it makes you a wise person.
there being many denonminations is a good thing not a bad because to begin with the bible teaches that each person on earth should be developing our own personal relationship with god through jesus. so the argument that the number of denonminations is a bad thing is faulty to me.
the old testament is largely about the creation of the nation of israel, i believe that in a sense god used the other nations that surround israel to help create the nation/ethic group that he wanted to bring the messiah through so there being influences from egypt and other nations is no surprise to me.
there being many denonminations is a good thing not a bad because to begin with the bible teaches that each person on earth should be developing our own personal relationship with god through jesus. so the argument that the number of denonminations is a bad thing is faulty to me.
the old testament is largely about the creation of the nation of israel, i believe that in a sense god used the other nations that surround israel to help create the nation/ethic group that he wanted to bring the messiah through so there being influences from egypt and other nations is no surprise to me.
alissowack
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beenwize;6413502 said:alissowack;6413472 said:beenwize;6413383 said:alissowack;6413352 said:beenwize;6412999 said:The Bible says god is not the author of confusion yet we have over 40,000 christian denominations in the world today believing in different things. So how can god be the author if that much confusion is caused by 1 book? The Bible believers on this forum alone don't even believe the same doctrine.
According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world.
I'm interested in knowing what was the standard in which this seminary used to come to this conclusion. Probably something as broad as...looking for crosses in front of buildings, looking biblical names and phrases in the titles of their denomination; whether or not the denomination references the Bible or even have Bibles...stuff that would generate numbers. I'm surprised that it is not higher than that. The confusion in not in the message, but in people's perspectives and worldviews.
Not true @ all. On this forum alone there is arguments amongst believers over things such as is Jesus or is Jesus not god? Is there everlasting hell? What day the sabbath is on? Are we undee the law or not? These are scriptural arguments and not bases on worldview.
And those are still based on how we view the world. The "whether Jesus is God" thing is based on our understanding of logic...either this or that, but not both. The "What Day Is The Sabbath" thing is based on what we understand about rules...what to abide by and how we should abide by them. The "whether there is a Hell" is based on our understanding of punishment for wrongdoing. Some people feel very strongly about what the perceive so when they read the Bible, those perspectives are coupled with what the Bible says which can distort...or confuse.
Go ramble elsewhere. all those areguments are about what scripture teaches. christians will go against each other using different scripture to prove Jesus is god or that he is not god. Clearly that's confusion.
My point isn't to say that there aren't any scriptural disagreements. My point is to say that there is more than just looking at a text. If we don't understand some basic elements of logic, then how would anyone argue whether Jesus is...or isn't God?
I mean...take the phrase, "you only live once". Some people base is on making the most of opportunities to better themselves. Some base it on this "eat, drink, (get high or do something crazy) and be merry for tomorrow we die" perspective.
Ajackson17
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My thread is fucking ruined!!!!
