Official ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC THREAD

[Disciplined InSight]

again, you don't have to simply take my word for it or even the word of biologists and physicists

you can examine the evidence yourself

is there any source for science information that you wouldn't immediately dismiss as "biased" or some shit like that? because i find it notoriously hard to get you people to read. you are dead-set on refusing to look into anything for yourselves without a guideline from a youth pastor or some such faggot.

Damn..you're a touchy individual..it's all good, b... Breathe easy.

I recalled Richard Dawkins saying this when he released his book The God Delusion.. is said that " he hopes that his book converts “religious” people to his worldview – exactly what a missionary of any religion hopes to do."

Damn...in a similar sense this is what you're pushing me to do...

 

[MeTaL]

Your right..I like your definition of atheism..it's very similar to this what I got from the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy : Atheism is the position that affirms the non-existence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief.”

Okay, let me use an atheistic religion for example: BUDDHISM

It's atheistic in the sense of denying that there is any overarching deity such as the Creator-God of the Bible.

Okay.. let's define atheism in a contemporary sense: it's not just the lack of belief in a god, but the assertion about the non-existence of any gods, spirits, or divine or supernatural beings, like you mentioned..so even though you don't follow a formalized system of rituals or beliefs like Buddhism...you got secular humanist who believe in things such as the humanist manifesto which is an outlined doctrine of ethics and goals to follow and also accepts evolution is to be true...

Hmm, interesting,there is no moral code that is connected to atheism, but many ascribe to Secular Humanism. very interesting. I learn something new today.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Damn..you're a touchy individual..it's all good, b... Breathe easy.

I recalled Richard Dawkins saying this when he released his book The God Delusion.. is said that " he hopes that his book converts “religious” people to his worldview – exactly what a missionary of any religion hopes to do."

Damn...in a similar sense this is what you're pushing me to do...

i asked what sources you wouldn't immediately dismiss as regards evolution and the big bang

how is that an attempt to convert you?

before i can do that, i have to teach you basic things that small children in more civilized countries learn in elementary school

 

[MeTaL]

To be quite honest Disciplined InSight, I am not the one to shove down my way of thinking into anybody throats, I respect deism, Pantheism, Secular Humanism,Taoism, Shintoism and Buddhism. and other religions that emphasize human rights. It just some people, who believe that everything is right and you should follow or else, is the type of mentally I don't take lightly.

and about Buddhism. Buddhism even though it's a religion. it is a philosophy. you can be of other religions and still be a Buddhist. but, if you learn about the founder of it you might not like him and how he abandoned his family.

 

[The True Flesh]

This thread has nothing to do with evolution. It's about how these self proclaimed atheists can't go a day without discussing/thinking about the precepts contained in The Holy Bible.

It truly has proven through them to be A LIVING WORD !!!

AMEN

 

[Disciplined InSight]

To be quite honest Disciplined InSight, I am not the one to shove down my way of thinking into anybody throats, I respect deism, Pantheism, Secular Humanism,Taoism, Shintoism and Buddhism. and other religions that emphasize human rights. It just some people, who believe that everything is right and you should follow or else, is the type of mentally I don't take lightly.

and about Buddhism. Buddhism even though it's a religion. it is a philosophy. you can be of other religions and still be a Buddhist. but, if you learn about the founder of it you might not like him and how he abandoned his family.

I feel you..I don't like the shoving neither..but at the same time those that wanna hurl insults have plenty reasons for their disbelief and hurting for attention, wanting to be heard.

i asked what sources you wouldn't immediately dismiss as regards evolution and the big bang

how is that an attempt to convert you?

before i can do that, i have to teach you basic things that small children in more civilized countries learn in elementary school

Prime example right here...you're pushing your theory as fact. Your insults and the theories you have faith is on is just about minuscule as the teats on a Brahma bull.

Hmm, interesting,there is no moral code that is connected to atheism, but many ascribe to Secular Humanism. very interesting. I learn something new today.

Secualar humanism is a branch of atheism which follows the idea of no existence of a god or religion...

 

[b*braze]

if you don't already I ask that you please consider, MeT, since Buddhism is indeed religion and/or tenets or philosophies...and covered in The Holy Bible's book of Revelations (Church of Thyatira) then...it's founder was merely an Imperfect Man, just like God planned and intended us all to be;

He will still be in Heaven as long as he believed in One, sole, Creator who sent a part of himself to Earth, to die for our sins.]

Wrong.......

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

if you don't already I ask that you please consider, MeT, since Buddhism is indeed religion and/or tenets or philosophies...and covered in The Holy Bible's book of Revelations (Church of Thyatira) then...it's founder was merely an Imperfect Man, just like God planned and intended us all to be;

He will still be in Heaven as long as he believed in One, sole, Creator who sent a part of himself to Earth, to die for our sins.

That kind of makes sense though, bcuz if we were made perfect, we would have been god, but only god is perfect. Is there such thing as perfectly imperfect? I'm really starting to think so.

 

[b*braze]

That kind of makes sense though, bcuz if we were made perfect, we would have been god, but only god is perfect. Is there such thing as perfectly imperfect? I'm really starting to think so.

If the bible is to be believed/taken literally... then we were created to be perfect.

Genesis 1:26. "let US make man in our image, and our likeness..."

As the story goes, we were created perfect and to be obedient. God's ultimate creation... Which is why the big homie got mad when Adam and Eve were corrupted and committed the original sin... And why he was grieved enough at our wickedness that he saw fit to drown every muthafucka on the planet but Noah and his folks... It's the reason Satan became jealous and decided to rebel and why his purpose is to show God how imperfect/worthless we are as a creation... Why God sent Yeshua to redeem humanity from Satan's corruption.

Why would he be mad at us for falling into the flaws HE CREATED US WITH? Why would he feel the need to redeem something he made with these imperfections? Makes no sense.

 

[rick.flair]

I do remember being flashed once in Tripoli though. I was terrified, I was 18 (mentally still 15) it was really horrible. Also one time a taxi driver really freaked me out.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

notice that disciplined insight is not interested in hearing anything that he does not already agree with

i ask him repeatedly what sources he would willingly take a look at and he only replies that he feels he is having something forced upon him

seems like the type of guy who has never been challenged and has been taught by his church to simply avoid anything that could pose questions to his faith

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

If the bible is to be believed/taken literally*... then we were created to be perfect.

Genesis 1:26. "let US make man in our image, and our likeness..."

As the story goes, we were created perfect and to be obedient. God's ultimate creation... Which is why the big homie got mad when Adam and Eve were corrupted and committed the original sin... And why he was grieved enough at our wickedness that he saw fit to drown every muthafucka on the planet but Noah and his folks... It's the reason Satan became jealous and decided to rebel and why his purpose is to show God how imperfect/worthless we are as a creation... Why God sent Yeshua to redeem humanity from Satan's corruption.

Why would he be mad at us for falling into the flaws HE CREATED US WITH? Why would he feel the need to redeem something he made with these imperfections? Makes no sense.

'God' said everything was good. Things can be good without being perfect. Two, if we were created perfect, then we wouldn't have needed to be told not to eat the fruit, because we were perfect.

* I don't view the bible with much literalism

 

[b*braze]

Please try to avoid using other members, for posting *at my truths* in here. Be courageous! And never fear speaking-to-Curiosity versus me. Don't be afraid, I'm not here to hurt you I'm here to love you, brother:

Romans 3:23 ...For all have sinned, and come short of The Glory of God

It doesn't say, some have sinned. It says ALL have sinned. From Adam & Eve, through your unborn children.

Yes alll have sinned/are born into sin because of what Adam and Eve did, introducing sin into the world

Romans 5:12-14
*12Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, so death passed onto all men, for all have sinned.

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*13For until the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

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*14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the similitude of Adam's transgression, he being the figure of Him that was to come.

Study ya bible to show yo ass approved.

 

[kevmic]

If you're a believer in the Bible, why debate.......

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Isaiah 45:22-23

Non-belief is just a perenthetical in linear time, it's a very small, sad temporary exsistence.

The majority of this forum tries to reject the Bible but they discuss it more than me.....whatdafuxup???

I saw a thread about seven sins, a discussion ensued about the order in which the sins may have entered the world and these self proclaimed non-believers are using the Genesis account of the Bible to form their stances.

WAIT A MINUTE.......I thought you didn't believe the Bible, make up your unstable, bi-polar azz minds.

IT'S PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT WHETHER YOU CLAIM TO BELIEVE THE BIBLE OR NOT IT HAS A HOLD ON YOU.......EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU

PEACE

Of course it does, because most non believers was born in and around the church, but lost faith due to lack of information and questions going unanswered. Very few non believers was that way since birth, it was just a conclusion they came to. Until all questions can be answered about God and the truth behind all those bible stories we grew up taking in as fact is really revealed, there will always be a group of independent thinkers who will prefer more proof to go along with the idea that the White English Christian faith is right and all other religions is wrong.

 

[b*braze]

'God' said everything was good. Things can be good without being perfect. Two, if we were created perfect, then we wouldn't have needed to be told not to eat the fruit, because we were perfect.

* I don't view the bible with much literalism

So God Almighty, ruler and creator of Heaven and Earth and every gotdamn thing in between, who created this universe in perfect harmony, and intelligent design, decided he wouldn't go 100% when it came to us... His ultimate creation whom he would give dominion over this planet called earth, which caused the angel Lucifer, who was known to be the most beautiful of all his creations before man, to rebel in jealousy?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

So God Almighty, ruler and creator of Heaven and Earth and every gotdamn thing in between, who created this universe in perfect harmony, and intelligent design, decided he wouldn't go 100% when it came to us... His ultimate creation whom he would give dominion over this planet called earth, which caused the angel Lucifer, who was known to be the most beautiful of all his creations before man, to rebel in jealousy?

That's why I asked if there was such thing as perfectly imperfect. It does say, 'be ye perfect', not 'you are perfect'.

 

[b*braze]

Hey look here pal all I did was added one scripture. Because that's all which was needed for pummeling your cluelessness.

If you chose to come add more, for validating me, as well as showing how you make no sense...then that's your choice. I'm cool with it.

Still, you need to understand that it's no reflection of what I study nor of what I approved. Stay focused, stay on topic, stay away from aimless-anger.

this ain't about me it's about your Understanding, or lack thereof, for why God willfully and intentionally created us with 'a choice' to sin or not to sin. It's about your lack of comprehension for proof that God went EXACTLY 100%, with us, when he gave his most complex-creation...choices, in life.

I keep telling you all, to get cognizant of how crazy it would have been and how senseless it would have been, for God to create Humans...if he was going to force us to worship him, force us to believe in him, force us to do good and not learn why evil is not for us. You should know from your Earthly experiences, that the very worst relationships, are the ones where one person is forced to be with another.

So God planned and intended for us to make imperfect choices... Then gets mad when we do make imperfect choices.

Got it.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

So God planned and intended for us to make imperfect choices... Then gets mad when we do make imperfect choices.

Got it.

I think it was god gets mad when we keep doing things wrong knowing darn well it's wrong.

 

[kevmic]

So God planned and intended for us to make imperfect choices... Then gets mad when we do make imperfect choices.

Got it.

He's perfect, yet he created an Angel who turned on him and half of heaven followed. He knows all, yet he created mankind, knowing exactly what they will do amongst themselves. He created Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden, knowing they were going to eat from the tree of Knowledge, and pretty much fuck it up for the rest of us. It sounds like God is kind of a loose cannon. You create all of these wonderful things with the greatest intent, but you know these things are gonna shit on you, so you get pissed off once they do something you already saw coming, and didn't even prepare for it, because if you did prepare for it you wouldn't be so mad about it. But you get mad anyways, and every few thousand of years you simply press the reset button to kill off your people good ones and bad ones, just to make way for a new crop of people who will still spend a lifetime doing fucked up shit as if they never learned from the last group of humans who was just killed!! You would think after the great flood in Noah's Ark people would've gotten the message and simmered down on all that sinning.

 

[whar67]

He's perfect, yet he created an Angel who turned on him and half of heaven followed. He knows all, yet he created mankind, knowing exactly what they will do amongst themselves. He created Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden, knowing they were going to eat from the tree of Knowledge, and pretty much fuck it up for the rest of us. It sounds like God is kind of a loose cannon. You create all of these wonderful things with the greatest intent, but you know these things are gonna shit on you, so you get pissed off once they do something you already saw coming, and didn't even prepare for it, because if you did prepare for it you wouldn't be so mad about it. But you get mad anyways, and every few thousand of years you simply press the reset button to kill off your people good ones and bad ones, just to make way for a new crop of people who will still spend a lifetime doing fucked up shit as if they never learned from the last group of humans who was just killed!! You would think after the great flood in Noah's Ark people would've gotten the message and simmered down on all that sinning.

But God is also All-Powerful therefore he chose to make Angels that would rebel and humans that would fall.